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WyrTwister

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We self installed a mini split last summer . I looked at the brands that used a " quick connect " system . They cam at a price premium over the ones that used flare fittings . I chose the flare fitting due to lower cost . Plus I had the vacuum pump and manafold / hoses / gauges .

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yeldogt

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I travel all over the world to some rather out of the way places -- Mini Splits are all over the place and have been for well over 30 years - I remember seeing them being installed in Asia back in the very early 80's ... and trust me nobody was using a vac on the lines. I also see flexible lines being used in some areas.

I looked at these precharged units -- they require a plug on the inside ... fine in a garage ... not the best in a house ... but I guess a window unit would be more noticeable.

If you watch the install video -- it looks like one of the more difficult parts of the install is made more difficult by having the line-set attached to the head unit - not much room in the back on these units .. and you have to work with the 25' line attached.

That said -- if they are quality units and you have a simple install location it would be a good way to go IMO.

I don't understand why we don't have flexible pre-charged or just cleaned and sealed line sets in various lengths in this country? The head unit is an open core -- and all that is required it to have a clean dry hose. These would be so easy to install.
 
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I travel all over the world to some rather out of the way places -- Mini Splits are all over the place and have been for well over 30 years - I remember seeing them being installed in Asia back in the very early 80's ... and trust me nobody was using a vac on the lines. I also see flexible lines being used in some areas.

I looked at these recharged units -- they require a plug on the inside ... fine in a garage ... not the best in a house ... but I guess a window unit would be more noticeable.

If you watch the install video -- it looks like one of the more difficult parts of the install is made more difficult by having the line-set attached to the head unit - not much room in the back on these units .. and you have to work with the 25' line attached.

That said -- if they are quality units and you have a simple install location it would be a good way to go IMO.

I don't understand why we don't have flexible pre-charged or just cleaned and sealed line sets in various lengths in this country? The head unit is an open core -- and all that is required it to have a clean dry hose. These would be so easy to install.

You can buy linesets of practically any length, flare them as needed, braze as needed, and connect and run them however you wish. Most (if not all) linesets are constructed from flexible copper and this goes for both mini-splits and conventional split units.
 

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JakeKohl: What I was getting at is that these units are self installed all over the world - most of the installations are through the wall and out to the compressor. Simple

The Fredrick mini's look to be a standard setup that has the line-set brazed on to the head unit to eliminate the flange connection -- and then connected to compressor with a proprietary pre-installed connection.

With modern hose material and fitting there is no reason we don't have more self-install units in the USA. Why does it have to be copper? Autos don't have copper?

The current systems in the USA require flushing and evacuation. If they can ship the compressor fully charged and sealed with valves - The same can be done with the head unit .. and then do the same with various hose lengths.

All that is required is a few more valves and hose ends that are pierced when connected ... I bet it would result in less refrigerant being released .. as the systems would have always be properly charged and clean at installation.

Also -- Nobody is paying 2k for these in Africa!
 
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cnsjones

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The answer as to why is that the HVAC industry does NOT want DIY installations. Such stuff will hurt their bottom line don't you know!!!

That is also why the companies usually will not honor a warranty unless you get a licensed HVAC to install the unit (they exist to srve the HVAC industry including the local installers... Also explains why these mini-splits are just not prevalent here in the USA (but that may be changing)!
 

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The answer as to why is that the HVAC industry does NOT want DIY installations. Such stuff will hurt their bottom line don't you know!!! That is also why the companies usually will not honor a warranty unless you get a licensed HVAC to install the unit (they exist to srve the HVAC industry including the local installers... Also explains why these mini-splits are just not prevalent here in the USA (but that may be changing)!

Actually its already started changing as allot of DIY folks like myself who are made up of landlords, licensed handymen, and regular franchise food chain employees that wear Mc "D" uniforms to class are being seen in more local community college offered HVAC commercial/residential condensed 1 semester courses. Breaking away from the super high run-away cost of contracted maintenance and installation cost, something has to give. Like Yeldogt pointed out high pressure flex-hose with quick connect technology has with with us since since the 1970's. In the Navy as a young GM2 I used to assemble high pressure 2200 PSI flex house for weapon systems that were constantly moving hydro and pneumatics under terrible conditions and stresses, and never once did I witness a catastrophic failure. In fact most hoses were replaced in still working order after 5 years of use just for planned maintenance sake.

The DIY demand is growing and will soon change the way cooling and heating is installed and maintained. Not that long ago no one would have believed that elevator operators, phone switchboard operators, gas station attendant, cashier keypunch operators, telegraph, and even TV and appliance repairmen were once valuable skill-sets requiring highly trained and well paid people that no one thought at the time would ever be replaced. But technology, better methods, and consumer demands have made all those trades disappear. And the same is going to happen in the HVAC residential and small business market, in 10 years you probubly wont see any more "exclusive" residential HVAC comercials.
 
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DEnd

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With modern hose material and fitting there is no reason we don't have more self-install units in the USA. Why does it have to be copper? Autos don't have copper?

Cars have copper, steel and possibly aluminum hard lines and "rubber" flex lines. Flex lines are used for a couple of reasons, ease of assembly, and to allow for movement. Flex lines are great as long as you are able to inspect them and replace them easily. Generally in houses the ability to inspect and easily replace lines is difficult at best. All lines deteriorate with age, flex lines deteriorate much quicker than hard lines do. That is why CWO replaced those lines every 5 years in the Navy. I don't know much about Navy service schedules but I would bet there are 25-50 year old pressurized hard lines operating in Navy ships today.

Basically copper is used because it is easily malleable, and it has a very long life expectancy.
 

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Im not arguing that copper last longer, Im just saying that there is a market for ready to use ultra portable DIY plug n play mini-splits with ready charged flexible quick disconnect non-kinking flex hoses with low loss fittings. So I wont be surprised if they start selling complete Plug n play mini-splits at Walmart in the automotive DIY refrigerant section.
 
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