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JohnFreeman

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I've decided not to buy ANY more China made tools regardless whose name is on the handle, and instead buy used American tools if possible.

From a practical standpoint, do hand tools if not abused actually wear out? ALthough I suspect it's possible, I wonder if in practice , do they, if they're 1st quality to begin with (SnapOn, Cornwall, Proto, Plomb, etc).

I know ratchet drivers can, but sockets? Wrenches?

Ugly doesn't count.:wtf:

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open end wrenches can eventually kind of flex out of spec, sockets corners can get worn down from slipping off nuts, hex bits/torx bits/screwdrivers eventually wear down.

granted with quality stuff that takes a good long time, and if you buy craftsman or better, they will replace it for free.
 

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anything can wear out. but a wrench or a socket used only by hand shouldn't. you should be more concerned with "abused" tools. that takes on different meanings to some around here. and that goes for warranty as well.
 

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Yes with use hand tools wear out and most tool companies don't warranty tools that are worn out.It's not broken it's worn out.In almost twenty years of the trade I've worn out quite a few sockets,wrenches and screwdrivers.Expensive ones will wear out too if your using them hard.Just cuz you paid more for it doesn't necessarily mean it'll last longer,you just expect it too.
 

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well i just brought 4 screwdrivers into sears with warn out tips that they gave me new ones no questions asked. And they were OLD too
 

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Even good tools will wear with a lot of use . I have some impacts that I've worn out doing tire/wheel removal
 

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Of course, anything can be worn out with repeated use. I bought the tool stack of an old heavy equipment mechanic. He had obviously bought top quality tools, but there were literally no complete sets remaining. He had bought a set of Blue Point combination wrenches in 1941. The larger sizes were still in good shape, but from 3/4" on down to 3/8" had been replaced with the later Snap-on and those were well-worn. There were a few brand-new replacement sockets bought at the end of his career, some fairly new stuff and some are awaiting the next tool truckie stop.

Bottom line, a full-time mech will go through a lot of his most-used tools before arthritis sets in. The weekend warrior will never wear out a top quality tool.

thnx, jack vines
 

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12-pt sockets can wear pretty badly if they slip over the bolt or nut head. But perhaps that falls in the category of "abuse."

Anyhoo, I'm an old man now, and I'm still using the 12-pt Cman sockets my pa got me on my 16th birthday. So they wear pretty durn slow if you take care. I usta be a full-time wrench but not anymore, so they've had a fair amount of time to wear if'n they had a mind to.
 
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well i just brought 4 screwdrivers into sears with warn out tips that they gave me new ones no questions asked. And they were OLD too

99% of the time the kid working at sears doesn't care enough about his job, or tools for that matter to even question giving a warranty on something. The tool trucks on the other hand, are a whole other story. Most of them know quite a bit more, and won't always warranty a worn out tool. Although a lot of them seem more willing if you are a good customer.
 

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Scewdrivers probably wear out quicker because the mechanic selects the wrong size or is working with dirt in the screw heads.

I see way more hand tools get lost than worn out.
 
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I've never experienced wearing out a tool; what's it like? :bounce:


It ***** because you remember it, when you need it.

Warranties don't cover wearing out, EVEN in Sears case. Sears replacement is under the satisfaction guarantee. If they ever separate the two of those, most exchanges are screwed.

I have a few tools of gramps and estate tools that are wore out. You can guess why I keep his, the other ones, are for modding or dealing with stuff that is larger due to rust, dirt, gunk.
 

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If hand tools are used correctly within their intended design, they seldom if ever wear out.


This coming form a polisher ..... not a user

for the rest who work in the real world

All tools wear, every time there is metal to metal contact there is wear. Screwdrivers, sockets, pliers,extensions and ratchets all take a lot of wear in normal use and will wear out. Open end wrenches will more than likely splay long before they wear out. If a tool wears or splays soon after new some serious consideration to the tools quality or use must be reviewed by the user.
 

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Wrenches and sockets do eventually wear out, so I've been told. I've seen sockets break and have broken a couple myself. I've also used some very old sockets that had been in hard use long before I got ahold of them and they did seem to fit a bit looser on the fasteners I used them on. But I wouldn't nessesarily say those old sockets were worn out. Wrenches - combination, box end, open end, when used correctly I've never worn one out. I've also seen some very old (almost 100 years maybe) wrenches still being used in some small fabrication and wood working shops in the North Eastern US that are still getting used daily. From the style and appearance I assume they were from pre-WWI era. Granted they were being used to change out router bits, tighten saw blades, and adjust machinery, not really used to torque down bolts real hard or anything.

That's one of the things and reasons I love about tools and guns that keeps my enthusiasm and affection for them going. In a day of disposable products, disposable marriages, and diposable morals, tools and firearms are among the few durable goods still being produced today that stand the test of time, despite being used hard.

Oh one more thing JohnFreeman. I appreciate and completely understand your stance to buy American made. I believe in that cause too. But, don't get brain washed into believing that everything that comes out of China or Taiwan is ****. There are great products made in those countries and there are shoddy piss poor products made there as well, just like anywhere else, including the USA. We see a lot of junk coming from those countries because the American company and brand owners who has it's products made overseas is often contracting with the cheap low end spectrum of manufacurers there, all just to save a buck, they won't go with the better manufacurers over there. A whole lot of USA manufacurers these days are also no longer capable or willing to produce good quality at a fair and reasonable price either, though a few still do.
 
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You make the tools sound like they're made out of pencil lead. :wtf:

Using an improper lube or a tool improperly yes a tool will be just like graphite , it will wear out fast with hard use. This is something you learn well when you use tools daily , some tools no matter what wear fast.
 
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Using an improper lube or a tool improperly yes a tool will be just like graphite , it will wear out fast with hard use. This is something you learn well when you use tools daily , some tools no matter what wear fast.

i guess i have been lucky, i've never owned a tool that poor in quality:headscrat
 

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Wear is why a lot of warranties have an exception for "professional use."
 

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This coming form a polisher ..... not a user

for the rest who work in the real world

All tools wear, every time there is metal to metal contact there is wear. Screwdrivers, sockets, pliers,extensions and ratchets all take a lot of wear in normal use and will wear out. Open end wrenches will more than likely splay long before they wear out. If a tool wears or splays soon after new some serious consideration to the tools quality or use must be reviewed by the user.

WTF is this post all about? Does it make you feel superior or of greater value to this board that you're a pro wrench?

I would suggest that yes, tools do wear out. Particularly if you're using 1.5mm thick park/campag wrenches because the only machines you 'professionally' work on have torque specs in the range of 0.2ft/lb.

I would also suggest that even 'weekend warriors' work their tools harder than someone who tinkers with bicycles for a living.
 

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WTF is this post all about? Does it make you feel superior or of greater value to this board that you're a pro wrench?

I would suggest that yes, tools do wear out. Particularly if you're using 1.5mm thick park/campag wrenches because the only machines you 'professionally' work on have torque specs in the range of 0.2ft/lb.

I would also suggest that even 'weekend warriors' work their tools harder than someone who tinkers with bicycles for a living.






The comment if you bother to actually process it is posed to the posers who have not a single clue as to what it is to actually use a tool to make a living, or the fact that tools actually wear out.

learn before you spew
 

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The comment if you bother to actually process it is posed to the posers who have not a single clue as to what it is to actually use a tool to make a living, or the fact that tools actually wear out.

learn before you spew

tough crowd..

anywho, yes, hand tools wear out. I have a SO SDDP42 that is the first SO tool I ever purchased, back in '97, that is due for a new blade. The edges are worn down from removing radio screws on old nissan radios...anyone thats ever swapped a radio in an old maxima knows what im talking about..
 

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Tools wear out. I've had a couple of Snap On phillips head screw drivers that were worn. I also used to wear out at least 1 1/4" drive Craftsman 12 pt 5/16" or 3/8" socket a month. I worked on lawn mowers for over 3 years, and 80% of the time I used my 1/4" drive tools.
 

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The comment if you bother to actually process it is posed to the posers who have not a single clue as to what it is to actually use a tool to make a living, or the fact that tools actually wear out.

learn before you spew

I knew exactly what you meant and that is exactly what I responded to. I understand your perception is that people who don't earn a living with their tools are "posers" and as such aren't entitled/qualified to have an opinion on tools or their use, or to post on this board. I just think you're wrong.

I also find it amusing that the guy who is most ready to accuse others of beings "posers" because they have nice tools (and/or opinions on them) without requiring them professionally is also the same guy who works in about the most light-duty mechanical field possible. At the end of the day, you work on pieces of sports equipment for a living.

Feel free to keep that pride you have in regard to being a "********, super duty pro-wrench" but it doesn't entitle you to belittle the opinions of others, however much of a "poser" you believe Merk to be.
 

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I knew exactly what you meant and that is exactly what I responded to. I understand your perception is that people who don't earn a living with their tools are "posers" and as such aren't entitled/qualified to have an opinion on tools or their use, or to post on this board. I just think you're wrong.

I also find it amusing that the guy who is most ready to accuse others of beings "posers" because they have nice tools (and/or opinions on them) without requiring them professionally is also the same guy who works in about the most light-duty mechanical field possible. At the end of the day, you work on pieces of sports equipment for a living.

Feel free to keep that pride you have in regard to being a "********, super
duty pro-wrench" but it doesn't entitle you to belittle the opinions of others, however much of a "poser" you believe Merk to be.

Your right garfunkle but you dont have to belittle his job to get your point across

Keep the sh!t slinging down please
 

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Your right garfunkle but you dont have to belittle his job to get your point across

Keep the sh!t slinging down please

Unfortunately, the irony and hypocrisy would be difficult to indicate without doing so, but I will try and keep the sh!t slinging to a minimum.

I did try and put it nicely the first time, but then B had to belittle my remarks by implying a lack of comprehension on my part.
 

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Particularly if you're using 1.5mm thick park/campag wrenches because the only machines you 'professionally' work on have torque specs in the range of 0.2ft/lb.

I would also suggest that even 'weekend warriors' work their tools harder than someone who tinkers with bicycles for a living.

BMX axle nuts on 14mm axles should be torqued to around 80ft-lbs.
Or how about a Triathletes bike, where every square inch is covered with years and years of sweat and piss. Everything is corroded. Generally yes, I'm sure cars usually put much more abuse on tools and have higher torque specs. But there have been times where even a weeks worth of penetrating oil and a 4X torque multiplier can't get a bb out.
 

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Back to the original question, it has been my experience that tools wear out. For example, I have had three pairs of Channellock 440 tongue and groove pliers. They are MUCH cheaper than Snappy so I will continue to buy them at Wall-mart for $12 every three or four years. I have successfully worn out most of my original ratchets I have bought in the past 12 years. They can be rebuilt, but I am in love with the Dual 80 ratchets. And I have had a few flare nut wrenches spread over time (they are snap on). I think it is unreasonable to expect tools that are used often, or daily to last a life time, every time. Whether you work on $20,000 bikes or POS cars. BTW I broke a instinct handled Philips screwdriver today. Sh!t happens :thumbup:
 

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BMX axle nuts on 14mm axles should be torqued to around 80ft-lbs.
Or how about a Triathletes bike, where every square inch is covered with years and years of sweat and piss. Everything is corroded. Generally yes, I'm sure cars usually put much more abuse on tools and have higher torque specs. But there have been times where even a weeks worth of penetrating oil and a 4X torque multiplier can't get a bb out.

I worked as a bike mechanic 20 hours a week for 4 years. I wasn't trying to belittle the trade, I was trying to show the poor attitude of it's chief (most vocal at least) representative on this board.

Edit: Also, a 4x torque multiplier would destroy any frame it was worth pulling the BB out of.
 
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I worked as a bike mechanic 20 hours a week for 4 years. I wasn't trying to belittle the trade, I was trying to show the poor attitude of it's chief (most vocal at least) representative on this board.

I see. Do you work on cars now? I have always loved bikes and have always loved working on them. But, there is a huge car dealership across the street and I wonder from time to time what it would be like to work on something different.

I actually found the multiplier in an abandoned building and have only used it once or twice. Both times it was almost impossible to get everything held down to use it properly.
 
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I work on heavy-duty and ag equipment, but I've also spent more time working on POS cars than I ever wanted to. I can tell you one thing for sure;

While I'm crawling beneath the undercarriage of a track-hoe or on my back under a car, I sure miss those days of having my work-piece on a stand at waist height right in front of me. I sure don't miss the crappy pay though.

In regard to employment in the auto-tech field, unless it's a real passion, you might want to think long and hard (and talk to Krusty or the other auto guys on here) before jumping in.
 
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Thanks for the info. Lots of good comments in this ...

I guess the underlying question really was "does it make sense to buy used, good quality hand tools"? Since I've forged ahead regardless, and have been using them for some months, the answer seems to be, if the tools were not abused, they're still quite usable.

OTOH, I'm not a mechanic by trade, just a weekend warrior trying to restore/maintain a hot rod or two, so *I* am likely not to wear them out.
 

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The comment if you bother to actually process it is posed to the posers who have not a single clue as to what it is to actually use a tool to make a living...

Oh! So it was posted for me, then! :lol_hitti

You can't see this, so I'll try to describe it: I'm a white guy, holding a snap-on F80, wearing gangsta pants, listening to R&B, flexing my muxles, and I'm NOT EARNING A LIVING! :lol_hitti

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