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Norcal

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Ok first pic? What is wrong?
2nd pic question? Aside from that thing hanging on box, assuming it's just a wire skin not cleaned up or some type of debris, what is wrong? Is box 22 cubic inch?


Doofus and company would not enter any box from the bottom so the NM cable is not 1 1/4" per 300.4(D). The debris hanging is foam used to fill voids around the cables penetrating the plates, there is more there but not sure how to access the photos.
 
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As a former inspector, I'll throw my 2 cents in. On an average day, I had approx. 25 inspections to do over a 6 hour period. There is no way in hell you can look at everything. You can ***** about inspectors, but it comes down to who is doing the shoddy work in the first place. Home owners are usually fed up with all the disruption to their everyday life, due to the construction process. Then an inspector shows up and fails the install. This extends the project, if only for a day. Who's the bad guy?

Ever been told by your superiors to look the other way? Happens every day. I'll give one example. I was called to do an inspection on a new service for an existing home. Outside looked fine. Went down to the basement and the new 200 amp panel was mounted horizontally. The cover was off and the electrician was not on site. The general contractor and homeowner were present. I asked if there was a reason the panel was mounted this way and was told it was the easiest way to do it, due to the number of pipes. When I failed the install, I got an earful. They had done it this way before and passed, I was told. They wanted to know where, in the codebook, it called for a vertical installation. I was polite and courteous the entire time, but all business. I pointed out the embossing in the back of the panel that said TOP. Manufacturer requirement. Homeowner complained to village department head. I got called in to defend my actions. Get called in enough times and you have a choice to make. Look the other way or find another job.

So, before you point fingers at who's to blame, the electrician you hired is supposed to be competent. There are boatloads of licensed electricians that I wouldn't trust with Christmas lighting. Remember, if it works, then it's got to be right. I DON'T THINK SO.

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My wife's uncle (uncle-in-law?) had an addition built on his house, and said that on final inspection, the only thing they seemed to care about was that he had low flow toilets installed. Not just in the addition, but in the entire house. He said that in his town, if you have any work done on your house at all that requires an inspection, they will make you put in low flow toilets, even if the work is not plumbing related. He calls them the toilet nazis.

Thats why I dread my yearly trips to california!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 

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I may be wrong, but my understanding is that it has something to do with a rule that when breakers are mounted vertically they must function so that OFF is downward, and only half the breakers of a normal panel would operate that way if it was mounted sideways.

Canadians can mount their panels sideways.

This would be correct. That is why most main breakers work horizontally, is to allow the panels to be flipped 180°. GE panels still have vertically operating main breakers and cannot be inverted.

The up is on rule precludes horizontal mounting of the panel in the US.

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My wife's uncle (uncle-in-law?) had an addition built on his house, and said that on final inspection, the only thing they seemed to care about was that he had low flow toilets installed. Not just in the addition, but in the entire house. He said that in his town, if you have any work done on your house at all that requires an inspection, they will make you put in low flow toilets, even if the work is not plumbing related. He calls them the toilet nazis.

I hope they do not make me do that.

But I wanted to donate an older toilet to the habitat and they would not take it because it was not a low flush toilet,
they are not allowed to sell them anymore and that is in NC not CA.

Sorry OP for getting your thread off track.
 

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240.81 is the NEC article prohibiting most panels being mounted sideways.
 

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In my state there is generally a rough in inspection and a final inspection for residential. At the rough in inspection they just check to be sure the wires are installed in the walls properly and they are put in boxes properly. Generally nothing in the boxes is connected at this point. For the final inspection everything is supposed to be done including plates on all the receptacle and switches. The inspector should not be able to see any wires at the final inspection.

At no point does the inspector usually check that grounds are connected in boxes. The inspector may put a tester into a few receptacles to make sure they are wired properly.

I had a rough in inspection done on wiring a 600 square foot addition. The inspector literally spent about 30 seconds on his inspection. He said it looks like you know what you are doing and signed the paperwork. He spent more time to/from his car than on the inspection.
 
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My wife's uncle (uncle-in-law?) had an addition built on his house, and said that on final inspection, the only thing they seemed to care about was that he had low flow toilets installed. Not just in the addition, but in the entire house. He said that in his town, if you have any work done on your house at all that requires an inspection, they will make you put in low flow toilets, even if the work is not plumbing related. He calls them the toilet nazis.

In my city if you take out a building permit other than roofing or siding you have to have your driveway paved if it is not already paved. I was lucky and they only made me pave the first 100 feet. I am certain that many people aren't taking out permits to avoid the paving of the driveway.

I looked at a house that had a new deck put on with a permit. I got a copy of the permit and it said right on it that the driveway needed to be paved. The driveway was not paved and the city had closed the permit as done. I asked the inspector why the driveway had not been paved and they said it was an oversight on the city's part and the city couldn't do anything since they closed the permit.
 

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I hope they do not make me do that.
Was just inspected today. The guy was here for like 5-10 minutes, did not come inside the house, and definitely did not look at the toilets/showers. The contractors told us they might check for smoke/co2 detectors, they didn't do that either.
 

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Doofus and company would not enter any box from the bottom so the NM cable is not 1 1/4" per 300.4(D). The debris hanging is foam used to fill voids around the cables penetrating the plates, there is more there but not sure how to access the photos.


So many problems with this statement. I don't enter the box from the bottom either. Never have never will. Looks less professional imo. The way it's wrapped I don't do it that way, but still doesn't concern me much. If the 1 1/4" is that big of an issue then the box kos should be in the middle of the stud as well, but, they are not. So the box creates the same violation and is acceptable, that's bull hooey!
The only real issue I see is with #2 pic, and that's a box fill violation. That does not look like a 22 cube box.
 

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I may be wrong, but my understanding is that it has something to do with a rule that when breakers are mounted vertically they must function so that OFF is downward, and only half the breakers of a normal panel would operate that way if it was mounted sideways.

Canadians can mount their panels sideways.

We take the same panels and mount them horizontally! No fires, no deaths, or other undesirable consequences. Horizontal has been okay for as long as I can remember. Just doesn't look right tho. OTH, never try and mount a panel even an inch lower than the CEC says or you will have to raise it.

Electrical inspectors here are extremely **** about following the electrical code to the letter and have no mercy. In comparison, building inspectors (residential) are often terrible. I've had cases where I've shown them what's wrong and quoted the applicable clauses in the code, and they'll still approve it. Mostly on residential constr.

The non-residential construction sector (commercial, institutional, etc.) is so very different. There are essentially two levels of inspection - one by the gov't inspector and another by the project's EE. I used to be one of those EEs and sometimes spot inspected connections/terminations depending on who the electrical contractor was. I once found a LOT of bad splices and also loose wires at breakers on a project and reported it immediately to the client. Turned out the electrician was an alcohol abuser and even drank on the job - he was kicked off the project on the spot.

So, before you point fingers at who's to blame, the electrician you hired is supposed to be competent. There are boatloads of licensed electricians that I wouldn't trust with Christmas lighting. Remember, if it works, then it's got to be right. I DON'T THINK SO.

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The world is full of these kinds of electricians - the ones who can't pass the exams for a commercial license, the ones working under the table for cash, the ones underbidding and getting in over their heads, the ones that can't hack working full-time, the ones with substance abuse issues, the ones not paying workers comp. dues, etc., etc.... Ultimately, it is the electrician/contractor that holds the permit that has the legal responsibility to ensure the work is safe and meets all code requirements, not the AHJ. Some of them should just never have been granted a license to start with or should have it revoked for more serious non-compliances.
 
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Connections? Usually not.

Maybe a locknut in a service entrance switch if the conduit was serving as the bond.

They are more thorough with diy/homeowner permit jobs
 

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Had my barn feeder and panel inspected and the inspector was packin a torque wrench.
He checked the lugs and breakers for proper torque but never touched a wire nut one.
He also told me I went overkill on the EMT in the barn, said Romex would have been fine?
 

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Had my barn feeder and panel inspected and the inspector was packin a torque wrench.
He checked the lugs and breakers for proper torque but never touched a wire nut one.
He also told me I went overkill on the EMT in the barn, said Romex would have been fine?

So did he checkfor minimum torque, or proper torque? Over torquing can be just as big of an issue.
 
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