fourfeathers
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Keep a ruger 10/22 close by, but that is for groundhogs. Subsonic hollowpoints sound about the same as dropping a 2x4.
Do you keep some heat in your toolbox?
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logical
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You would make your point in a much more effective way if you said you hate when people use the term "packing heat". It's much less abrasive than saying you hate the person...and hopefully more accurate.
So yes, I hate when people say they hate someone solely based on one thing they hate about the person's behavior.
arkangel06
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My point????
The point of that statement was to address my feelings towards the terms ''heat'', ''heater'' or packing heat.
You get the point now dogg?
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hydramatic
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5 shot airweight.in my pocket..loaded with +P
John, aka DDAWG16, is a police officer out there. I'd like to see his input on this regarding legality and possible penalties. My two cents? If you're gonna carry, CARRY. Not in the toolbox, glove box or desk drawer. Practice. Get as proficient as possible. Get more insurance. Shoot some one, you'll get sued, even if you're cleared by the authorities. Last and most critical, are you prepared to kill another human? When it's all said & done, that's what we're talking about. All this B.S. about just showing the gun or shoot to wound is just that, B.S. It'll get you killed, likely with your own gun. And unless you've been deployed with the Army or Marines, you've got no idea what it's like to draw down on somebody. If you're not sure you can, don't carry.
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I've been reading his useless posts for awhile also. Either he hates something, or he wishes he would of thought of it. He really never contributes anything worthwhile, but yet he pretty much has a post in every thread. But, I can't say much for myself about contributing.
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Yep, never pull a gun unless you or someone is going to die. Someone has to die. Preferably the other guy.
hoopty388
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I agree with people waving or showing guns. I have a small 380 not real impressive looking, but if your looking at it, your more concerned with what's in it, because I WILL use it. If my daughters or wife could be in danger, then yes, I am prepared to kill another human.
atari
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You might want to go back and read what you wrote and did you really complain about people calling a gun "heat" and then call me dogg? Anyway, enough stupidity.
I am willing to use deadly force to protect my family. If I feel that someone is a threat to my family I will shoot to kill. I am prepared to take a life to protect my family. I will do what I have to in that regard. I also believe that if you pull it you have to be ready to pull the trigger. I also think that people own guns for home protection but the gun is in the safe and the bullets are in the closet. What good does that do. If you woke up and someone was in your bedroom your done. If your going to own a gun you have to make it as accessible as possible for your situation. I have a Springfield Armory XD 9mm that has no hard switch type safety. You also can feel in the dark if its loaded and cocked or not. Its a pick up and shoot pistol and that's good and bad. I have a 2 year old so its not loaded at the moment but I was just at the gun store pricing the finger tip combo safe for it last night. I don't like it but its what I have to do to protect my family from and with the gun.
Bolster
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Yes and no.
Your point is well taken, you don't draw to bluff, or wound, etc., as has been repeated by a million armchair pistoleros. However, research shows, that "successful home defense use of a gun" in 98 to 99 times out of 100, is to show it. In other words, the vast majority of citizen defense situations with a gun do not end in a shooting. Most incidents are of the "I've got a gun, get lost" variety, which works amazingly well.
It's no wonder that concealed carry correlates reliably to lowered crime in the areas that allow it (although the politicians are always confused by the correlation and try to deny it)...criminals really do prefer unarmed victims. You just can't count on "showing" to work, you have to be willing to deliver the final solution if need be. I believe the statistic comes from John Lott.
That said, no, I don't have heat in my tool box. I'm a Mexifornian, and self-defense is strictly not allowed. We prefer our sheeple to be dead victims in California. If you want to carry a gun in da LA, you gotta join a gang.
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Is it really that bad down there that you need to have a firearm while working in your garage?
Bolster
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The more heterogeneous a society, the more crime. Any multicultural society is more prone to crime than a monocultural society. Aggressive crime in a monoculture like Japan is at amazingly low levels.
Ask somebody in southern Arizona if he feels comfortable working in his garage without locks and/or weaponry!
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atari
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Awesome! you went back and edited what you originally wrote. Well, at least im making a difference in the world. Thanks for making me feel special.
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Not here. Clean kill = no penalty, criminal or civil:
776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.--
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term "criminal prosecution" includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney's fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).
We had a guy shoot two un-armed guys who were trying to drag him out of his vehicle at a traffic light. He killed one and f'ed up the other. Justifiable. He walked and the guy who lived is in jail for the crime, including murder.
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This is my "mountain lion" gun:
Only problem with mountain lions is, in most instances, by the time they're on you, it's too late to do anything about it.
Bolster
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Hot Damn! That is nice. Seems the barrel is a considerable distance above the grip so that must give you some serious muzzle rise. Must spit some flame, too. How do you like the dual chambering feature, do you use that?
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Ive got hand guns and shot guns stashed in the house and shop. Have for 25 years, only once had to bring one out when I had an unexpected visitor in the detached garage in the middle of the night. I popped out of bed, ran out to the garage, and I proceeded put a round right at his feet to get his initial attention, which it did, but turned out to be my roommate, who hadn't been home in weeks, he was passing through at 4am, and needed some tools for work, but didn't call to let me know he was coming by, and didn't come into the house first to announce his presence... bad move.
Anyhow, thinking on my feet, as he was walking towards me in the dark, the math went something like this, if I say "hold it there" he might be armed and shoot me, so I figured I take the first step and show I was armed and comfortable with squeezing one off....
And I'm sure some will read this and think I'm crazy (which I wouldnt deny), all I can say is, dont turn up in my garage after hours, it ain't safe !
Anyhow, thinking on my feet, as he was walking towards me in the dark, the math went something like this, if I say "hold it there" he might be armed and shoot me, so I figured I take the first step and show I was armed and comfortable with squeezing one off....
And I'm sure some will read this and think I'm crazy (which I wouldnt deny), all I can say is, dont turn up in my garage after hours, it ain't safe !
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Not normally in my area but there have been night I waas working late alone in my shop building an engine and have had prople attemp to break in because they didn't think anyone was inside. Normally just yelling at them through the wall would send them them on their way. There have also been a few pissed off customers over the years as well. I've always been able to defuse those situations but some of them really close to becoming lethal
logical
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I can't speak for others, but maybe I can help you wrap your mind around this. I have a concealed weapons permit. I can carry a gun in my own and many other states with a long list of exceptions and restrictions. But in general I can carry it as I go about my daily activities as long as I'm not in a courthouse, school, bar, large stadium or other places specifically excluded by state or federal law. There are also many private properties like certain stores where it is not allowed by the owners own rules but in most cases all they could do is simply ask me to leave.
The times I do choose to have a firearm on me are when I think there is a remote possibility I could be in a situation where it would be good to have. If I am going somewhere with a few grand in cash to buy something from a want ad for example. If I had even the slightest feeling that it was a set-up to rob me...I wouldn't go. But because you can never be 100% sure, it is the type of situation where I choose to be armed. The person I'm dealing with would never know...I don't walk up to them with it drawn.
So, back to your question...if you feel you need a gun...don't go there, don't get in that situation. But here in The United States of America at least to some degree, a man still has the right to be prepared for the unlikely, unpredictable part of life. Some are uncomfortable or unwilling to take the time to prepare to do so and that is their choice.
I don't expect to slash open a gaping wound in my arm tonight in the garage.....but I still have a first aid kit.
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Very "logical" thinking and sums it up good. My theory is Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6
arkangel06
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Awesome! you went back and edited what you originally wrote. Well, at least im making a difference in the world. Thanks for making me feel special.
No problem. I try to make atleast one person feel special per day
As for the dogg thing I think you missed my silly Canadian humor eh?
Also no I dont have any firearms in my tool box, but I do have alot of firearms in the safe about 10' from my tool box
Quick question what exactly do you contribute to the forum??? I have spent some time looking through your posts and your threads and I cant seem to find much
By the way I tig weld too not pro or anything I started tigging alot last november but before that I was only mig stick and gas with very little tig.
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"LC" = .45 Long Colt
"Dual Chambering" = If you look under the barrel, you see a stamping that indicates ".454 Casull & .45 Colt. You can fire either round in the gun, just like a .357 will also shoot .38 Special and some 9mm's will also shoot .380. The diameter of the rounds are the same size.
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Well put. Here's another analogy I like to use:
You have insurance on your car, right? Do you really plan on getting in an accident? You have insurance on your home, no? Do you expect it to burn down? No? Then why have it?
atari
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Quick question what exactly do you contribute to the forum??? I have spent some time looking through your posts and your threads and I cant seem to find much
I read a lot and only comment when I have something to contribute. I do on occasion make a smart *** remark (some times I just cant help myself) but I don't feel like I should make random comments about my feelings unless its productive to the thread. If people feel like they need to express their feelings about a subject they can do that in a productive, informative matter. I don't feel like making bitter and offensive statements is the right way to make this forum useful and informative.
MrSnicks
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Well put. Here's another analogy I like to use:
You have insurance on your car, right? Do you really plan on getting in an accident? You have insurance on your home, no? Do you expect it to burn down? No? Then why have it?
Because it's required by law and most mortgages??? Insurance is the biggest rip-off yet.
jtbinvalrico
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The choice of weapon depends on the circumstances......
If I were to keep a gun in the car, it'd be the biggest, most-nickle-plated flashy cannon of a pistol I could find....think about it: There you sit, minding yer own business at a red light with no way out. Three or four approach on foot, they want your car, your money, your wife.......Nothing will state your position on the matter more clearly than when you retrieve that giant nickel plated .357 from the glovebox and sit there with it in your lap. Upon seeing that, I promise you they will leave and seek out an unarmed victim.
For the home.....I opt for the universal sound of impending death: the racking of the shotgun. No matter what language your uninvited guest does or does not speak, nothing says "leave or die" quite like the sound of a shell being racked into grandpa's old Winchester poly-choke.
For personal carry.....I opt for the Keltec .380......be sure to tear that Keltec down the day you get it, deburr the slides and smooth the ramp - or spend the coin on something nicer that's ready to rock right out of the box. The key to this choice is size and weight, dictated by Florida heat. The bottom line is this: If it's too big and heavy, you won't carry it......you'll end up getting beaten with a stick while your 1911 sits useless in your car or in a closet. Be realistic.....the point of carrying that gun in your pocket is not to win a gunfight, it's to buy you enough time to survive, to take cover, to retreat if necessary, to send enough lead downrange to deter the threat. Sounds counterintuitive, I know; but unless you are willing to commit to wearing a shoulder rig or a big pancake holster every single day, you'll eventually begin to not carry. The average joe is not willing to regularly carry enough firepower to outgun some cat who has the element of surprise and possibly superior firepower, whereas a mouse gun will become a regular and faithful companion.......Of course, my dad can rightfully disagree with me because he regularly carries his 1911 in a shoulder rig, old school - if you are willing to do that, I'll concede the point.
On to ammunition.....fragmenting rounds are a great thing. But do you want a fragmenting round in the pistol in your car? No.....It ain't gonna go through the car door like you'd need it to. What about a pistol in the home? Fragmenting makes sense, then. In a panic situation, we are all gonna shoot like ****, do you really want six rounds of hard ammo missing the bad guy, exiting your home, and continuing into your neighbor's house?
These are some additional considerations I thought I'd add. Also, as a FL LEO......I need to remind you that it is sheer foolishness to think we are gonna show up in time to stop the bad guy....I really wish we could, and we love it when we can.......but it's just not reality. We each have a duty to protect our families and our homes to the full extent allowed by law.
If I were to keep a gun in the car, it'd be the biggest, most-nickle-plated flashy cannon of a pistol I could find....think about it: There you sit, minding yer own business at a red light with no way out. Three or four approach on foot, they want your car, your money, your wife.......Nothing will state your position on the matter more clearly than when you retrieve that giant nickel plated .357 from the glovebox and sit there with it in your lap. Upon seeing that, I promise you they will leave and seek out an unarmed victim.
For the home.....I opt for the universal sound of impending death: the racking of the shotgun. No matter what language your uninvited guest does or does not speak, nothing says "leave or die" quite like the sound of a shell being racked into grandpa's old Winchester poly-choke.
For personal carry.....I opt for the Keltec .380......be sure to tear that Keltec down the day you get it, deburr the slides and smooth the ramp - or spend the coin on something nicer that's ready to rock right out of the box. The key to this choice is size and weight, dictated by Florida heat. The bottom line is this: If it's too big and heavy, you won't carry it......you'll end up getting beaten with a stick while your 1911 sits useless in your car or in a closet. Be realistic.....the point of carrying that gun in your pocket is not to win a gunfight, it's to buy you enough time to survive, to take cover, to retreat if necessary, to send enough lead downrange to deter the threat. Sounds counterintuitive, I know; but unless you are willing to commit to wearing a shoulder rig or a big pancake holster every single day, you'll eventually begin to not carry. The average joe is not willing to regularly carry enough firepower to outgun some cat who has the element of surprise and possibly superior firepower, whereas a mouse gun will become a regular and faithful companion.......Of course, my dad can rightfully disagree with me because he regularly carries his 1911 in a shoulder rig, old school - if you are willing to do that, I'll concede the point.
On to ammunition.....fragmenting rounds are a great thing. But do you want a fragmenting round in the pistol in your car? No.....It ain't gonna go through the car door like you'd need it to. What about a pistol in the home? Fragmenting makes sense, then. In a panic situation, we are all gonna shoot like ****, do you really want six rounds of hard ammo missing the bad guy, exiting your home, and continuing into your neighbor's house?
These are some additional considerations I thought I'd add. Also, as a FL LEO......I need to remind you that it is sheer foolishness to think we are gonna show up in time to stop the bad guy....I really wish we could, and we love it when we can.......but it's just not reality. We each have a duty to protect our families and our homes to the full extent allowed by law.
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Bolster
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Well written. I don't think the California cops would agree with your last point so much...the law has pretty much hobbled our ability to legally defend ourselves here.
Keep
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Some very good responses.
My point about having a firearm in the garage was directed at home use, not a shop setting. If you feel that threatened in your own garage, its time to move.
I am a firm believer in our right to own weapons, I say "our" since I am an American I just live in Canada. Though personally I draw the line at assault weapons as, really, there is no reason for anyone to own one. But that is a whole other can of worms that I will not get into.
My point about having a firearm in the garage was directed at home use, not a shop setting. If you feel that threatened in your own garage, its time to move.
I am a firm believer in our right to own weapons, I say "our" since I am an American I just live in Canada. Though personally I draw the line at assault weapons as, really, there is no reason for anyone to own one. But that is a whole other can of worms that I will not get into.
logical
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Define "assult weapon", and yes, i am asking because i don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.
Keep
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I have a very good idea what I am talking about. AR-15, AK 47, etc etc etc.
Any weapon that has the ability to fire full auto. And do not give me the argument about them being illegal, its the first mod most owners make. I really do not want to get into this debate....
Busted_Knuckles
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Id have to disagree with you there, I live in BFE, but there are roads leading to my farmette, trouble can and will find me. And as another example, I was outside Sacramento, fueling up my Jeep to go run the trails in and around the Rubicon in the Tahoe & Eldorado National forests. Another Jeeper rolls up next to me at the shell station down in the valley, he see's my license plates (IL tags) and strikes up a conversation, went something like this " headed up the mountain ?", yes I am, " are you packing heat ?" yes I am, I swing the door of my jeep open and there hangs a satin nickel plated .50 desert eagle pistol.
His eyes opened up real wide, he chuckled, and said " you must know about the meth labs?" I said, no I don't, I travel heavy, always..., and then I thanked him for the pointers on how to identify and avoid "troubled" areas while recreating in the Sierra mountians....never mind the big cats, look out for the toothless crackers with big guns, and paranoid trigger fingers. Nice eh ?
Also scum do travel, they are not all held up in Metro areas, although the bulk of them are. In the unlikely event I come across a situation, that my life might become in peril, I really need to be prepared, better to have and not need, than to need and not have. How close is the nearest cop when your running a fire road on some mountain ?, or take my residence, my local sheriff is at least 10-15 minutes from my front door on a 911 call, if I have a problem, when 10-15 seconds can be your life, 10-15 minutes ain't cutting it.
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Of course you don't want to get into it. For the most part owning a full auto rifle has been out of the public's hands for decades. It is very very rare for an AR-15 to be converted to full auto. I probably know 50 people personally with AR's and know of hundreds more through forums and not a single one has even considered a full auto conversion. The "assult weapons ban" that was in place in the US for some years until it recently expired was a joke...it was based more on how a rifle looked than it's ability to do damage. A typical civilian owned AR-15 is no more or less an assult rifle than the average deer rifle.
You don't want to debate it because you know next to nothing about the topic...and I don't want to debate you for the same reason.
Keep
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I do not want to get into it as this is a GARAGE forum, I am not here to debate my views on assault weapons. As for knowing nothing about the subject, actually I know a fair bit about it, I served my country for 11 years so you could own those weapons.
I am done.