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Documenting my experience with the Langmuir ArcFlat Welding Table

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Yes shipping is $95.00 + $675 for the table so total of $770 shipped. I am figuring $450 for the table + roughly $150 for fuel based on 700 miles round trip probably closer to 600+ from Vegas and back. So minimum of $170.00
 
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Oh, wow. Didn't realize you were coming from Vegas. I might have tried to arrange to pick an extra one up and bring it back to LA so you wouldn't have to go quite so far.

I want to pick up another but just haven't made the time or space yet.
 

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My daughter used to live in Vista so I am used to the drive. I get up at 3:00 am for work so I will be there right when they open at 9:00 and head home unless the wife wants to tag a long and spend a night or two. We usually stay in Carlsbad so a little vacation would be nice.
 

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Mounted my Arcflat on a 2' x 3' table originally used to hold a 500 lb. granite surface plate.
Then I add 3" casters and a Craftsman 5196 vise.
Now in the process of attaching the plasma cutting table (resting on the bottom shelf) my son fabricated.
Maybe either on hinges or a pull out support of some sort.

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Mounted my Arcflat on a 2' x 3' table originally used to hold a 500 lb. granite surface plate.
Then I add 3" casters and a Craftsman 5196 vise.
Now in the process of attaching the plasma cutting table (resting on the bottom shelf) my son fabricated.
Maybe either on hinges or a pull out support of some sort.

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Perfect fit!
 
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Yes sir,
Guessed I should have asked which one to get the underweight or overweight table?
Probably go for the heavier one in my mind it would be stronger.
Part of their deal is they can actually ship the blocks regular FedEx or whatever it is. I'm guessing "overweight" means they exceeded the weight they're allowed to ship. But, it could also just be that they have a qc spec and if it falls outside that spec, they can't ship it. Either way, I also assume overweight is better than underweight assuming all the machines surfaces are still good (including where the legs attach!).
 

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Got her home, she weighed in at 155 # Hit traffic going down the pass and thru Victorville coming home wasn't to bad.Weld table.jpg
 
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Would love to get a shot of the back side. The web has to be where all that extra weight is. Did you reply to the Craigslist ad at all or did you just show up?
 

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Would love to get a shot of the back side. The web has to be where all that extra weight is. Did you reply to the Craigslist ad at all or did you just show up?
I will stand her up and take a couple pics of the back side. No I didn't reply to the ad but I called them on Friday to confirm they had "Reject" tables and told them I would be there Tuesday around 9:00 didn't make it until 10:15 with traffic. 677 miles at 28 MPG so roughly 25 gallons of gas at average cost of $5.50 CA gas was like $6.35 a gallon. Cost me $138.00 plus wear and tear on the car.
 

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Once the black spray was mostly cleaned off, it was obvious it had not been machined as the pits from the casting were still visable unlike the machined corners. I forgot to take a picture before I cleaned it up with the grinder but you can still see the difference between the machine corner and the other in the pictures.

In all fairness, it could be they pick the low corner, and if it's flat enough, just machine the other three down to the same level. It could also be that they only machine corners judged not flat enough.
 
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In all fairness, it could be they pick the low corner, and if it's flat enough, just machine the other three down to the same level. It could also be that they only machine corners judged not flat enough.
Oh I'm 100% certain that's what's going on. The problem is, it's a sand cast! If you don't machine it just a little, it's still rough. And it's a mating surface for the top plate of the leg.

The criteria should be to machine the lowest corner just enough for it to be smooth, then machine the higher corners until they're flat.
 

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Webbing looks all normal to me, not sure where they picked up the extra weight.
 

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Oh I'm 100% certain that's what's going on. The problem is, it's a sand cast! If you don't machine it just a little, it's still rough. And it's a mating surface for the top plate of the leg.

The criteria should be to machine the lowest corner just enough for it to be smooth, then machine the higher corners until they're flat.

I'm not that certain. But if the lowest corner is flat and the leg bolts up perpendicular, machining the corner just adds more cost for no benefit other than cosmetics. But it is a perceived quality issue and I imagine they get a lot of complaints about it.
 
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Webbing looks all normal to me, not sure where they picked up the extra weight.
Kind of hard to measure, but maybe your top and side thicknesses are extra thick? Of course that would likely mean a slightly larger overall dimension which might be why they're rejects?
 

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Kind of hard to measure, but maybe your top and side thicknesses are extra thick? Of course that would likely mean a slightly larger overall dimension which might be why they're rejects?

I think the website said the overweight thing was a shipping cost issue.

The casting is oversize and cut down. They probably just cut them down until they get an acceptable finish. Most fall in the acceptable weight range, some are under, some are over.

The US locations probably do not even see them.
 
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I think the website said the overweight thing was a shipping cost issue.

The casting is oversize and cut down. They probably just cut them down until they get an acceptable finish. Most fall in the acceptable weight range, some are under, some are over.

The US locations probably do not even see them.
But were talking about the ones you can buy in person at their location in San Diego. I agree the most obvious reason is shipping cost but they're clearly making it stateside.
 

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But were talking about the ones you can buy in person at their location in San Diego. I agree the most obvious reason is shipping cost but they're clearly making it stateside.

I would be really, and happily surprised if they're made in the US. Perhaps the machining, but that would surprise me as well at that price point.

I was referring to the local delivery, not the overseas and location-to-location freight.
 
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I would be really, and happily surprised if they're made in the US. Perhaps the machining, but that would surprise me as well at that price point.

I was referring to the local delivery, not the overseas and location-to-location freight.
No they're not made in the US. I was responding to your statement that "the US locations do not even see them". It seems like every one of them gets here, no matter how much they weigh. They then ship the ones that meet the spec from a domestic distribution center, but the rejects they sell on Craigslist.
 
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No they're not made in the US. I was responding to your statement that "the US locations do not even see them". It seems like every one of them gets here, no matter how much they weigh. They then ship the ones that meet the spec from a domestic distribution center, but the rejects they sell on Craigslist.

When I said see them, I meant actually see the product outside the box. They are just unloading them from from containers, braking up the pallets and shipping.
The weight does not matter when shipping in a container.

The underweight units are (apparently) blems and are sold at a discount.

The overweight units are (apparently) not blems, but are (per their Craigslist ad) too heavy to ship (over 150lbs) at least without incurring additional cost, as the would likely have to o go LTL.
 

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Would love to get a shot of the back side. The web has to be where all that extra weight is. Did you reply to the Craigslist ad at all or did you just show up?
How much does a regular, in-spec, table weigh? The 155lb is too heavy, so they normally weigh less than that?
 

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Boxed up ready to ship, 250 lbs. per the shipping company.
I was at the warehouse a while ago, they had a stack of non conforming tables.
 

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I think the normal weight tables are 145 pounds. I don't think they can ship anything over 150 pounds gross weight.
They won't ship the underweight tables either. From what they told me they are worried about cracking or breaking.
 
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Any update fellas? I'm looking for a work/fab table. Have you pounded/welded/assembled on the tables yet and have any first impressions/complaints?
 
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I have no real complaints. I mentioned in my earlier posts that the legs are nothing to write home about but I've actually found that having 4 independent legs with no connecting struts allows me to store other things on wheels (my bandsaw most notably) under the table, and just wheel it out when I want to use it.

As for fixturing, clamping, etc, it has been flawless. I don't routinely beat on it as I'm conscious of the fact that it's cast iron, and also I have a big anvil right next to the table if I need to do some beating.

I will definitely be getting a second one but I just bought a lathe project that is occupying most of the empty space in my shop so that will need to be dealt with first.

As a side note, I have taken some quick measurements and the 1,000 lb hydraulic lift cart from Harbor Freight is an almost perfect fit for these tables. An enterprising individual could easily adapt the base and lifting mechanism to one of these table tops (removing the sheetmetal top that comes with the lift cart) and they would have a height adjustable, mobile welting cart. Replacing the factory casters with some FootMaster casters or welding on some leveling feet would make it even more versatile.
 

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That's an excellent idea Geo. I've had mine for about 6 months now and have no complaints. Best bang for your buck out there imo.






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I have no real complaints. I mentioned in my earlier posts that the legs are nothing to write home about but I've actually found that having 4 independent legs with no connecting struts allows me to store other things on wheels (my bandsaw most notably) under the table, and just wheel it out when I want to use it.

As for fixturing, clamping, etc, it has been flawless. I don't routinely beat on it as I'm conscious of the fact that it's cast iron, and also I have a big anvil right next to the table if I need to do some beating.

I will definitely be getting a second one but I just bought a lathe project that is occupying most of the empty space in my shop so that will need to be dealt with first.

As a side note, I have taken some quick measurements and the 1,000 lb hydraulic lift cart from Harbor Freight is an almost perfect fit for these tables. An enterprising individual could easily adapt the base and lifting mechanism to one of these table tops (removing the sheetmetal top that comes with the lift cart) and they would have a height adjustable, mobile welting cart. Replacing the factory casters with some FootMaster casters or welding on some leveling feet would make it even more versatile.
The last plant I was in used all 4' X 8' one-ton Southworth hydraulic lift-tables for welding.

Nice to have everything at the right height for welding (regardless of size) and made loading and unloading the tables easier as well.
 

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Pulling the trigger on the table and am on the fence whether I should buy the leg kit or make them my self, any thoughts?
 

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I got the legs. They're nothing special. Making your own would be better. Comes down to how soon you need to be in business and access to material
 

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Legs are fine if it's stationary, mobility is advantageous to me. I've got mine on a heavy duty rolling cart I can easily take out of the garage.
 
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I bought the legs thinking I would eventually build something better but I appreciate the ability to store things under the table so much, I have never bothered. I did put footmaster casters on however.
 
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Thanks for the input gents, @GeoBruin has welding splatter been a problem for the wheels on the casters?
I mostly tig weld, so not a lot of splatter issues. That said, it doesn't seem like it would be a problem. The wheels on my particular casters ar pretty small and mostly protected by the shroud.
 

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Legs are fine ... I can easily take out of the garage.
Funny response after looking at your avatar! LOL! [Full size pics would be welcome by me!] And wheels are good, but stationary is good if you are going to be pulling on anything HARD. However if you have no/very limited space, wheels it will be. Harry
 
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Funny response after looking at your avatar! LOL! [Full size pics would be welcome by me!] And wheels are good, but stationary is good if you are going to be pulling on anything HARD. However if you have no/very limited space, wheels it will be. Harry
These tables aren't heavy enough for you to pull that hard on them. I don't mean they're not stout, I mean literally not enough mass. Unless you bolt mutiple together or make a reeeeallly heavy duty base, they just don't weight that much. They're only 24" x 36" afterall. I view them as ideal for mobile welding carts or really small shops (like mine) where I occasionally need to move the table outside either to make space in the shop or to work on something so large it won't fit in the shop.

That's why the footmaster casters work great for me. They're feet... until they're wheels.
 
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