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I doesn't matter if your the only one interested or not.
Place your maximum, and you do turn out to be the only bidder, you still won't pay any more.

Just because you set your maximum bid, doesn't necessarily mean you will have to pay that much. Oh... wait, you've already been told that about a hundred times already.

I give up, ebay is a simple website, you either win it or you lose.
If you lose but were willing to pay more, I don't know how it's anybodies fault but your own.

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I used to buy some off of ebay, but it's dropped off quite a bit over the past year. And, when I heard that ebay was going to bend over and kiss the 1099 requirement, I'm thinking I won't be buying much off ebay in the future.
 
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I used to buy some off of ebay, but it's dropped off quite a bit over the past year. And, when I heard that ebay was going to bend over and kiss the 1099 requirement, I'm thinking I won't be buying much off ebay in the future.

Dang whats the deal with 1099s? Are they going to be sending them out for the money we get from selling stuff? I know they didn't for 2010 and prior years, so is this a new thing they announced?
 

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I think I know what happened here, which is not uncommon with the e bay model, which is structured differently than a traditional auction. The OP was an early bidder, and when no one else out bid him for a couple days, he was already congratulating himself getting the tools for a hundred or more dollars under market price. He then started planning all the cool stuff he was going to use them on and where he was going to store them in his toolbox.

The winning bidder knew that smart e bayers wait until there are a few seconds left, and then enter their absolute max bid. If they get outbid, so be it, as they realize that someone was willing to pay more than they were. When the OP got outbid at the last second he decided that the winner must somehow have "cheated" him or something.

A smart e bayer never wants to place their max bid early because all that does is encourage "nibblers" who keep increasing their bids $5 at a time.
 
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Dang whats the deal with 1099s? Are they going to be sending them out for the money we get from selling stuff? I know they didn't for 2010 and prior years, so is this a new thing they announced?

I got an email from ebay a while ago about it. Some people are flipping out about it, but in reality you have to sell A LOT to be affected by it. If you sell less than $20,000 per year, you're not affected.

Here's a website with some info:
http://ebay.about.com/od/sellingeffectivel1/a/_sbe_tax1099k.htm

As a practical matter, if you're an eBay seller, this will effect you unless your gross sales are under $20,000 for the year or you receive fewer than 200 transactions. Reporting for small sellers at this level is not required.

Otherwise, if you exceed this volume, you'll be required to provide tax identification information (SSN or EIN number, for example) to payment processors like PayPal and will be expected by the IRS to account in your return for the amounts reported on your 1099-K form(s).
 
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I think I know what happened here. The OP was an early bidder, and when no one else out bid him for a couple days, he was already congratulating himself getting the tools for a hundred or more dollars under market price. He then started planning all the cool stuff he was going to use them on and where he was going to store them in his toolbox.

The winning bidder knew that smart e bayers wait until there are a few seconds left, and then enter their absolute max bid. If they get outbid, so be it, as they realize that someone was willing to pay more than they were.

A smart e bayer never wants to place their max bid early because all that does is encourage "nibblers" who keep increasing their bids $5 at a time.

Yup, I already had scheduled the housewarming party for my new 3/4 drive sockets and sent out RSVP invitations, had a lot of my buddies reply back and said they were real interested in attending the party. I am extra mad because I already pre-ordered hookers and had scheduled delivery of cake and ice cream to the shop. Now I am going to have to cancel all the plans I made and it's all ebays fault.

nah but for real you got it pretty much right. E.g. I am not a smart e-bayer. Oh well hindsight is 20-20.
 
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Yup, I already had scheduled the housewarming party for my new 3/4 drive sockets and sent out RSVP invitations, had a lot of my buddies reply back and said they were real interested in attending the party. I am extra mad because I already pre-ordered hookers and had scheduled delivery of cake and ice cream to the shop. Now I am going to have to cancel all the plans I made and it's all ebays fault.

nah but for real you got it pretty much right. E.g. I am not a smart e-bayer. Oh well hindsight is 20-20.

That was a funny reply. :lol:

I wasn't personally trying to give you a hard time, so I'm glad to see you can respond with some humor to my post.

E bay can be a great place to buy stuff, but just remember to watch the auction for awhile and try to bid near the very end if possible. Many times the price gets bid above what you are willing to pay, so at that point you don't ever have to even try. One of the best methods is to place in a early low initial bid just to get a bid in, ignore anyone outbidding you, and then place your final max bid with less than a minute to go.
 

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Johndeere, I see where you're coming from man. No sarcasm here, and I do feel your pain. But...speaking from a friendly, supportive perspective...here is the deal. The world of auctions (ALL styles of auctions) is tough. You'll want to wear a cup, like the rest of us do. And you're right...it doesn't seem fair.

We already heard enough about how eBay functions...whether we all like it or not. No need to repeat what has been said above. So now let's take a look at other styles of auctions.

If you go to a live auction, you had better have your wits about you, and pay attention.

For example:

Other buyers will be sorting through box lots, and may just sneak that special treasure out of the box you saw it in, and then slip it among old rags or newspapers in another box. Then you overpay for that one special box, only to find that the item you paid for is now missing, and you bought nothing but junk. And you don't even know where your item went, cause other bidders got LOTS of "worthless junk boxes" for minimum bids. So you don't know which person did it, or where your item is now. This activitiy is clearly a case of both fraud and theft, yet it is common practice at auctions. People who are otherwise totally honest church-going folks, seem to think they are doing nothing wrong when they do this at auctions.

Or, the same thing happens because someone simply stole the item. But you're still stuck with a box of overpriced junk which you didn't even want, and you've now wasted your day off, standing around to overpay for trash.

Or, spend most of your day watching and waiting for an item you really want, while the auctioneer keeps bypassing it to sell loads of china or glass one agonizingly-slow piece at a time. Then you finally take a break to go the the bathroom, and some guy (who has noticed you scrutinizing that one item very carefully) quickly picks it up, hands it to the auctioneer with a starting bid, and you come back to find the item sold already. So now you have waited 5 hours for an item which is suddenly gone, even though it was nowhere near the upcoming items by the auctioneer. That other guy knew you were interested and he saw you walk away for a minute. He deliberately took that moment to hand the item to the auctioneer. And he got it without any competition from you. Moreover, if he is a real regular customer of that auctioneer, the auctioneer understands what he is probably doing when he hands the item over. The auctioneer wants to get maximum money, but he also wants to keep his regular customers happy. This happens ALL the time.

Or, you are bidding on something and someone "way behind you somewhere" keeps bumping the bid up, just to your maximum. Later, some guy confides in you that there really was no other bidder...the auctioneer was "bouncing bids off the wall." You go confront the auctioneer, and he points to one of his assistants who suddenly swears that HE was the other bidder, and wanted that item real badly...although he cannot recall what item it was. VERY common issue at live auctions...even the prestigious art or muscle car auctions. Very illegal, and very common.

OR, you win an item which was described as being in perfect condition, but because there are so many items being auctioned right now that you really want, that you have to keep careful watch on the auctioneer, and don't find out until later that your special item is not so special...either damaged, missing parts, or a reproduction instead of original, etc, etc, etc.

OR, you are about to be the winning bidder at a terrific price, on an item you've been waiting for all day. You can tell that other bidders in attendance are not really interested in your treasure, and you are starting to feel great, knowing you are going to get a bargain. Suddenly, an auction clerk leans over and whispers something to the auctioneer, and he announces that they have a telephone bid which just came in (or a live online bid which you cannot see or verify), or a family member of the estate who gave them a written bid the other day, etc, etc. It's always for some number WAY higher than your bid.

I could go on and on and on and on, but you probably know about these things anyway. We all learn them the hard way over many years of attending auctions. But my point is that auctions are competitions, and the ONLY people happy at the end are the people who got fabulous prices on items they won.

So, how can you protect yourself? There is only one way, really. Make up your mind early, and set your absolute maximum price. Bid that absolute maximum price in whatever fashion you prefer. And STOP there...PERIOD. Then, be happy if you win it, and/or equally happy if you do not.

In the end, that's all you can do.

Best of luck with auctions, from a fellow Garage Journal user and long-time auction bidder myself.
 

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I got an email from ebay a while ago about it. Some people are flipping out about it, but in reality you have to sell A LOT to be affected by it. If you sell less than $20,000 per year, you're not affected.

Here's a website with some info:
http://ebay.about.com/od/sellingeffectivel1/a/_sbe_tax1099k.htm

I think this will have significantly bad effects on ebay as a site (as far as individual sellers, not business's selling on the site), because I have to believe guys like me will and have already flaked out. As a hobby, I can easily blow through both of those numbers, I can and do 200 sales in a month.. thats only 50 a week....and $20 grand in a year, is not hard to hit in a couple months, selling tools and parts. Kinda takes the "hobby" out of it, if I have to run it like a formal brick and mortar business.

Might not sound like much, one guy stopping selling on ebay. For those of you that are gear heads, looking for NOS parts that are not re-popped, guys like me are sitting on 10's of thousands of these parts. When I stop selling... and others like me, those parts dont make it to market. I regularly get "thank you" emails from buyers, simply for making a part "available" cost and service to these guys mean nothing, just being able to get their hands on it does.

The more I think about it, I just might have an honest to god auction to get my storage space back to empty. By the time Ebay, Paypal, and big brother get done picking me over, it just aint worth it. I should re-direct my energy in a different direction....screw-um. I got an email today from ebay letting me know my "power seller" status is about to no longer meet minimum requirements, I'm thinking no-****-sherlock, I haven't sold anything since you yo-yos started screwing with the feedback, and fees! Not sure how I even still have it. It used to expire after a month of inactivity, hell, its been a year or more now since I sold anything. Well it was fun while it lasted, which seemed to end about on or around 9/11/2001, and then again, in 2008.
 
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That was a funny reply. :lol:

I wasn't personally trying to give you a hard time, so I'm glad to see you can respond with some humor to my post.

E bay can be a great place to buy stuff, but just remember to watch the auction for awhile and try to bid near the very end if possible. Many times the price gets bid above what you are willing to pay, so at that point you don't ever have to even try. One of the best methods is to place in a early low initial bid just to get a bid in, ignore anyone outbidding you, and then place your final max bid with less than a minute to go.

It's all good dude I appreciate the advice guess I will just do that next time. :thumbup:

Side note, I didn't appreciate anything the guy with the Will Ferrell picture had to say though or the guy with the old man picture, their contributions are not appreciated and my red, angry faced character replies to their posts were sincere. LOL
 
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Johndeere, I see where you're coming from man. No sarcasm here, and I do feel your pain. But...speaking from a friendly, supportive perspective...here is the deal. The world of auctions (ALL styles of auctions) is tough. You'll want to wear a cup, like the rest of us do. And you're right...it doesn't seem fair.

We already heard enough about how eBay functions...whether we all like it or not. No need to repeat what has been said above. So now let's take a look at other styles of auctions.

If you go to a live auction, you had better have your wits about you, and pay attention.

For example:

Other buyers will be sorting through box lots, and may just sneak that special treasure out of the box you saw it in, and then slip it among old rags or newspapers in another box. Then you overpay for that one special box, only to find that the item you paid for is now missing, and you bought nothing but junk. And you don't even know where your item went, cause other bidders got LOTS of "worthless junk boxes" for minimum bids. So you don't know which person did it, or where your item is now. This activitiy is clearly a case of both fraud and theft, yet it is common practice at auctions. People who are otherwise totally honest church-going folks, seem to think they are doing nothing wrong when they do this at auctions.

Or, the same thing happens because someone simply stole the item. But you're still stuck with a box of overpriced junk which you didn't even want, and you've now wasted your day off, standing around to overpay for trash.

Or, spend most of your day watching and waiting for an item you really want, while the auctioneer keeps bypassing it to sell loads of china or glass one agonizingly-slow piece at a time. Then you finally take a break to go the the bathroom, and some guy (who has noticed you scrutinizing that one item very carefully) quickly picks it up, hands it to the auctioneer with a starting bid, and you come back to find the item sold already. So now you have waited 5 hours for an item which is suddenly gone, even though it was nowhere near the upcoming items by the auctioneer. That other guy knew you were interested and he saw you walk away for a minute. He deliberately took that moment to hand the item to the auctioneer. And he got it without any competition from you. Moreover, if he is a real regular customer of that auctioneer, the auctioneer understands what he is probably doing when he hands the item over. The auctioneer wants to get maximum money, but he also wants to keep his regular customers happy. This happens ALL the time.

Or, you are bidding on something and someone "way behind you somewhere" keeps bumping the bid up, just to your maximum. Later, some guy confides in you that there really was no other bidder...the auctioneer was "bouncing bids off the wall." You go confront the auctioneer, and he points to one of his assistants who suddenly swears that HE was the other bidder, and wanted that item real badly...although he cannot recall what item it was. VERY common issue at live auctions...even the prestigious art or muscle car auctions. Very illegal, and very common.

OR, you win an item which was described as being in perfect condition, but because there are so many items being auctioned right now that you really want, that you have to keep careful watch on the auctioneer, and don't find out until later that your special item is not so special...either damaged, missing parts, or a reproduction instead of original, etc, etc, etc.

OR, you are about to be the winning bidder at a terrific price, on an item you've been waiting for all day. You can tell that other bidders in attendance are not really interested in your treasure, and you are starting to feel great, knowing you are going to get a bargain. Suddenly, an auction clerk leans over and whispers something to the auctioneer, and he announces that they have a telephone bid which just came in (or a live online bid which you cannot see or verify), or a family member of the estate who gave them a written bid the other day, etc, etc. It's always for some number WAY higher than your bid.

I could go on and on and on and on, but you probably know about these things anyway. We all learn them the hard way over many years of attending auctions. But my point is that auctions are competitions, and the ONLY people happy at the end are the people who got fabulous prices on items they won.

So, how can you protect yourself? There is only one way, really. Make up your mind early, and set your absolute maximum price. Bid that absolute maximum price in whatever fashion you prefer. And STOP there...PERIOD. Then, be happy if you win it, and/or equally happy if you do not.

In the end, that's all you can do.

Best of luck with auctions, from a fellow Garage Journal user and long-time auction bidder myself.

If there was a way to rate a response, I would give this one top marks. :bowdown::bowdown: sincerely appreciated
 

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You can't blame e bay or paypal for the 1099 issue.

The provision was hidden in the health care insurance bill passed last year in an attempt to offset some of the costs of that legislation. The thought was that the IRS would be able to collect more $$. Let's face it, there are many making a living and never reporting their income and evading taxes.

Someone deliberately inserted that provision in, but to date, they have developed amnesia as not one politician has stood up and took credit or blame for doing so. After tons of complaints by small business regarding the costs of complying with all the paperwork , they have repealed parts of that rule, but I'm not sure exactly where it stands now.
 

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It's all good dude I appreciate the advice guess I will just do that next time. :thumbup:

Side note, I didn't appreciate anything the guy with the Will Ferrell picture had to say though or the guy with the old man picture, their contributions are not appreciated and my red, angry faced character replies to their posts were sincere. LOL

"the old man picture"?
Uhh... I guess that would be me?

Alright, if three posts of trying to figure out just what exactly your problem is, upset you that much, then so be it.

I'm just not in the habit of handing out sympathy to everyone who looses an ebay auction because they didn't bid the amount they should have, and then posts on a forum moaning about it.

I never have figured out the mentality of being angry at the winning bidder for out bidding you. I see that a lot at the live auctions I go to.
 
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I have never used a Snipe service and win over 95% of the items I bid on. After studying many auctions, I came up with a system that seems to work. It is rare that I get beat with this. I also figure that I have a limit and once it's past I am done.

Good luck to you and like a lot of others have said, it's a game and may the most shrewd bidder win
 
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"the old man picture"?
Uhh... I guess that would be me?

Alright, if two posts of trying to figure out just what exactly your problem is, upset you that much, then so be it.

I'm just not in the habit of handing out sympathy to everyone who looses an ebay auction because they didn't bid the amount they should have, and then posts on a forum moaning about it.

I never have figured out the mentality of being angry at the winning bidder for out bidding you. I see that a lot at the live auctions I go to.

EDIT: I just saw your age on your profile, I will refrain from commenting further.
 
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EDIT: I just saw your age on your profile, I will refrain from commenting further.

If you think my age makes anything I said any less valid, then fine, I'm used to that.

But at least I'm not the one bitching and moaning because somebody had the nerve to outbid me.

I thought that was Vicent Price ?
It is

I didn't mean the picture was of me, just that he was referring to me.
 
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If you think my age makes anything I said any less valid, then fine, I'm used to that.

But at least I'm not the one bitching and moaning because somebody had the nerve to outbid me.


It is

I didn't me the picture was of me, just that he was referring to me.

Stay in school.
 

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If you think my age makes anything I said any less valid, then fine, I'm used to that.

But at least I'm not the one bitching and moaning because somebody had the nerve to outbid me.


It is

I didn't me the picture was of me, just that he was referring to me.

I get that, I kind of guessed your where not Vincent Price....Its off topic, never mind....
 

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I think this will have significantly bad effects on ebay as a site (as far as individual sellers, not business's selling on the site), because I have to believe guys like me will and have already flaked out. As a hobby, I can easily blow through both of those numbers, I can and do 200 sales in a month.. thats only 50 a week....and $20 grand in a year, is not hard to hit in a couple months, selling tools and parts. Kinda takes the "hobby" out of it, if I have to run it like a formal brick and mortar business.

Might not sound like much, one guy stopping selling on ebay. For those of you that are gear heads, looking for NOS parts that are not re-popped, guys like me are sitting on 10's of thousands of these parts. When I stop selling... and others like me, those parts dont make it to market. I regularly get "thank you" emails from buyers, simply for making a part "available" cost and service to these guys mean nothing, just being able to get their hands on it does.

The more I think about it, I just might have an honest to god auction to get my storage space back to empty. By the time Ebay, Paypal, and big brother get done picking me over, it just aint worth it. I should re-direct my energy in a different direction....screw-um. I got an email today from ebay letting me know my "power seller" status is about to no longer meet minimum requirements, I'm thinking no-****-sherlock, I haven't sold anything since you yo-yos started screwing with the feedback, and fees! Not sure how I even still have it. It used to expire after a month of inactivity, hell, its been a year or more now since I sold anything. Well it was fun while it lasted, which seemed to end about on or around 9/11/2001, and then again, in 2008.


I agree. eBay is happy to screw the small sellers in favor of the big players and the buyers. In doing so they lost about $250 a month from me.

Signed,

No Longer A Power Seller
 

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Here is a reality. If you are doing $20,000 a year in retail sales of any kind, any where, then the US IRS considers you to be operating a business. Period. They will not consider that to be anything like a hobby.

If you buy NOS muscle car parts at swap meets, flea markets, auctions, etc; and then resell them at a volume of 50 sales per week and 200 sales per month, then the US government does consider you to be a business operator. NO WAY will they agree that you are just pursuing a "hobby."

I'm not trying to cheer on the IRS, mind you. Most of us do a little bit of trading car parts. I love to buy, sell, and trade stuff myself. And I have participated with organizations in opposition to national "mail order sales tax" proposals myself for years. But we all have to face the facts.

If you are selling items in a totally visible fashion which is fully documented on the internet, and on an auction site where the final sale prices are open for all to see...you're going to get noticed by the IRS sooner or later. And if/when they do notice you, they will go back years and years to examine your history.

While we are all a little nervous about eBay sending out those 1099 forms, it is quite true that this is a WAY better situation than if the IRS decided to subpoena eBay sales histories and identities of all their sellers over $20,000 per year. Then the IRS could simply come to you and say, "We have documented evidence that you sold $50,000 worth of merchandise on eBay in 2009. Yet your tax returns do not reflect that amount of income. So we are in the process of auditing your returns for the past seven years, including eBay sales."

Again, I am NOT siding with the IRS. But if anyone from GJ is selling $20,000 in documented transactions a year on eBay, that person had BETTER have a plan for dealing with the tax implications. The IRS will not accept that you just had the parts lying around, and thought they were worthless, and just started liquidating them. Even in that scenario you would owe capital gains taxes.

Just be careful, and keep in mind that there is no free lunch...on eBay or anywhere else.
 

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I agree. eBay is happy to screw the small sellers in favor of the big players and the buyers. In doing so they lost about $250 a month from me.

Signed,

No Longer A Power Seller

It will be interesting to see what happens, I'm guessing at some point, something will replace it, where it gets back to the mom and pop selling beanie babies and the like, and not like the business sellers dominating the site. One thing Ive never understood is why these mega-sellers list the same damn item a couple hundred times, which makes finding the actual deal from the small seller next to impossible with the thousands of returns you have to sift through. Its getting like google with the number of returns, makes you just say "screw it".

Just this morning Im looking for some speakers to put in ceiling of the living room, there are so many redundant listings, I left the site (ebay) and went to best buy, I gave up before I even got started.
 

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Here is a reality......

Just be careful, and keep in mind that there is no free lunch...on eBay or anywhere else.

I started buying the parts from the old school small town new car dealers that have been liquidated over the last 15 years (they where great about not returning parts to the depot and allowing them to buildup in the back room, Ive run coast to coast for sell outs), and from guys that I met along the way that have been doing it for decades (hemmings and the like), that didnt go "electronic" but wanted to retire from selling NOS.

You make some very valid and good points there, like I said, it was fun while it lasted.
 
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I sold an item on ebay a few years ago. It generated alot of interest and alot of bids. when it hit $1400 i was thrilled! I was not at my computer when the auction ended so imagine my suprise when it ended at just over $1000! I had several conversations on the phone with the winner during and after the auction. He admitted what he did.
he had several accounts and used them to make several bids running the auction so high no one else would bid then retracted all the bids except his lowest winning bid! I was pissed to say the least! You would think Ebay would have a system in place to prevent that from happening.Maybe only allow retractions within a minute of placing the bid incase you do enter a wrong amount. I got so tired of losing in the last few seconds i pretty much only do buy it now.
 

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You would think Ebay would have a system in place to prevent that from happening.Maybe only allow retractions within a minute of placing the bid incase you do enter a wrong amount.

they do. you have 1 hour to retract a bid on an auction with less than 12 hours to go. A guy with 7 accounts though? thats just dedicated. i wouldnt invest that effort or time.
 

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AH. I never even thought of that. I do appreciate serious replies like this one, I learn stuff

Hey johnsdeeere,

My responses are TOTALLY serious. You were winning by 200 dollars with three seconds left and then "whoosh" you lost because you didn't bid your MAX. You should stay off Ebay because you seem to think that once you bid, everyone should stand back and let you win. The last three seconds of the auction are just as important as the first three seconds and every second in between. Bid your MAX at any point during the auction instead of hoping your less than best bid won't get beaten at the end while a few seconds are still left on the clock. Once again, take it like a man........you lost that one. "Seriously."
 

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this is like getting mad at a girl because you asked her out and she said no ,then she went out with another guy a little bit later......
 

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I started buying the parts from the old school small town new car dealers that have been liquidated over the last 15 years (they where great about not returning parts to the depot and allowing them to buildup in the back room, Ive run coast to coast for sell outs), and from guys that I met along the way that have been doing it for decades (hemmings and the like), that didnt go "electronic" but wanted to retire from selling NOS.

You make some very valid and good points there, like I said, it was fun while it lasted.

Busted Knuckles,
Yeah, you're right. What can I say? :dunno:

You know, just like you, I love to buy and sell lots of stuff...more or less as a hobby. I CERTAINLY couldn't feed my family doing it; at least not at my current level.

I see that you live in Illinois, so you are likely familiar with the Carlisle events in Pennsylvania? (for a while they had a fall event in Bloomington, Ill, which conflicted with my own fall show date). I'll bet you might even be a vendor there. Me too. If so, you're probably familiar with the PA state tax officials and their "Nexus" issues that they were trying to ram down vendors' throats 4 or 5 years ago?

(For you other readers...the state of PA was declaring anyone who came to Carlisle and set up a booth, had now legally established a "nexus" in the state, and so would now be considered to be a business-vendor of the State of PA. Thus, any sales made by that person from his/her own state any time of the year to anyone in PA, would require the collection and payment of PA state sales tax by the vendor to PA. Moreover, they were demanding to see a copy of your books for the last many years...regardless of whether you were really a pro..., or just an amateur. Then you might be subject to past-due taxes, fines, and interest.)


I and other members of my automotive trade organization paid very careful attention to this issue, and did what we could to address it for our members. (Words chosen carefully here.) But since I do not live in PA, then I had to be very careful not to become TOO active in this battle. Otherwise it would look like an "outsider" was trying to rob PA of its "rightful tax dollars". And that wouldn't float. :willy_nil

Anyway, the deal is that some part-time hobbyists who buy and sell things get pretty good at it, until their volume gets too large for them to successfully hide any more. Then, sooner or later, they will come under the scrutiny of the IRS (this is how they finally brought down Al Capone). And eBay, by its very existence, just made that easier for the IRS. Now every sale is documented; right down to the penny. Worse yet, your COST of those sold items is NOT documented. So you probably cannot prove to the IRS that you paid $500 for that genuine Mopar brand 6-pack air filter element which you just sold on eBay for $600 to some guy in Europe. So some IRS beaureaucrat will research the average value of an air filter element online, conclude that it SHOULD have cost you no more than $20, and so you owe income tax on your "pure profit" of $580. Only, since you didn't pay it promptly, you owe penalties and interest too.

We can't even blame this on eBay. Brick-and-mortar business owners have griped about "transient vendors" and flea markets for generations, and begged political leaders to pass more and more taxes against them. And politicians in EVERY state are scrambling to find new tax dollars anywhere they can to meet today's enormous budget shortfalls. And one place where they can raise taxes with no political problems for them is upon the backs of out-of-state businesses. NO ONE who lives in PA, (for example), cares if the state of PA cracks down on non-PA businesses, and generates more revenue by doing it. So PA politicians (for example) won't get voted out of office for pursuing that.

eBay has been REQUIRED by law to turn over those records. And you can bet that this is just the beginning. Our government is giving out more and more and more money to "entitlements", even though we cannot afford it. They MUST get that money somewhere.

Hang on to your hats. :mad:
 

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Anyway, the deal is that some part-time hobbyists who buy and sell things get pretty good at it, until their volume gets too large for them to successfully hide any more. Then, sooner or later, they will come under the scrutiny of the IRS (this is how they finally brought down Al Capone). And eBay, by its very existence, just made that easier for the IRS. Now every sale is documented; right down to the penny. Worse yet, your COST of those sold items is NOT documented. So you probably cannot prove to the IRS that you paid $500 for that genuine Mopar brand 6-pack air filter element which you just sold on eBay for $600 to some guy in Europe. So some IRS beaureaucrat will research the average value of an air filter element online, conclude that it SHOULD have cost you no more than $20, and so you owe income tax on your "pure profit" of $580. Only, since you didn't pay it promptly, you owe penalties and interest too.

Hang on to your hats. :mad:

This part Im aware of, and scares the hell out of me, because I have no records of what I paid for anything over the years. It was all bought with cash, at times I spent up wards of $7500 buying lots, and have no idea what I paid for anything, which brings me back to a complete auction of everything at one time, or I have to find some other way to move the stuff. I don't want to sit on it any longer than I have to, mold, moisture, and rodents will have their way if I don't do something. Anyhow, you win some and you loose some.

BTW, the only swap meet Ive done is Jefferson Wis. I pretty much stuck to the internet for all my sales. Although I was a subscriber of Hemmings for many years and am quite familiar of the PA swap meet, and know many locals that would make the journey.
 

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Busted,
Understood.

One thing you can do is start trying to create "fair" receipts for every item you have bought...or at least the most valuable ones. Don't make them all look exactly the same, and be as honest as you can.

But, on the other hand, you don't have to quit selling this stuff. And having one big auction and selling it all will not prevent the IRS from coming after you in the future, for your past sales anyway. You just need to adjust to the current business climate, and pay attention to sales you make which are are part of "the public record."

The way eBay USED to be, really means NOTHING. The politicians can pass a law requiring eBay to to turn over old records, and the IRS can come after you for sales that happened long ago...when eBay was still in its infancy.

We've all been told that we only need to keep tax records for a few years. But this is not true IF the IRS "suspects" fraud or intentional tax evasion. There is no statute of limiations on that.

I try to fly under the radar, and my volume is very small, and not very visible. I love swap meets in friendly locations. I recommend that to everyone.
 

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I got an email from ebay a while ago about it. Some people are flipping out about it, but in reality you have to sell A LOT to be affected by it. If you sell less than $20,000 per year, you're not affected.

Here's a website with some info:
http://ebay.about.com/od/sellingeffectivel1/a/_sbe_tax1099k.htm

As a practical matter, if you're an eBay seller, this will effect you unless your gross sales are under $20,000 for the year or you receive fewer than 200 transactions. Reporting for small sellers at this level is not required.


Revised per my further investigation noted below: You have to be over both the $20K AND the 200 transactions to get issued a 1099K.
 
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