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I am trying to find a decent set that I might use a couple times a year.

any ideas?

I been looking on ebay for a nice used snap on set but i can't see spendingh that much for how little I will use the.
 
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SK's are nice, American-made, and have an advanced broaching profile (Sure Grip) to reduce rounding of fasteners. But they're probably too much for your price range.

If you have the time, keep an eye out for Bonney DBE's. Very nice, but no longer made, so, gotta watch ebay and the like.

You never know. Epstein's came across a NOS Bonney stash in the back of an old warehouse a few years ago. A set of those wrenches went for around $100.:drool:
 
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I've got two TOPTUL sets up on EBay that are really nice. One having the typical sizes people need for cars and light trucks and the second a fairly complete set which includes the larger sizes you might need for a larger vehicle
 
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I have some bonney combo wrenches. thos are nice.. I have sk combo 6pt Sure Grip also. I would love to find a bonney metric set like that lol. I only found sk in a short set.
 

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It sounds like they are a special application? Why not buy only a couple sizes that you need?
 

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I have some bonney combo wrenches. thos are nice.. I have sk combo 6pt Sure Grip also. I would love to find a bonney metric set like that lol. I only found sk in a short set.


The 16x18 is on ebay now.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-NOS-BON...1306340908&pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr

The two smallest ones are at Epstein's.
http://store.harryepstein.com/cp/BonneyMiscWr/MDB89.html
http://store.harryepstein.com/cp/BonneyMiscWr/MDB67.html

That's 3 out of 7 right there. The ebay seller may have more sizes available - you should message her about it.
 

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I'm on the same hunt, but SK's are not deep offset, and I already have the shorts. SO's are kind of deep but a very low angle on the offset. Really old Craftsman, low angle and little offset. Modern CM are Chinese. NOS CM is priced like SO! I really like the Stalhwille Stabil 12/20 set, that's what I really want, but not the price.

Proper deep offset double box end wrenches (or deep crank ring spanners a.k.a. "back wrenches") seem to be "out of style" or something. Most modern sets are made in India. There are Seigen sets promoted on eBay as made in Germany but they are from India, I have verified from several reliable sources, be careful.
 

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craftsman ones but not sure if the are usa anymore

Mine are USA, got them not more than a few months ago. Definitely my recommendation for OP who doesn't need them often (USA, inexpensive, easily available)
 
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I prefer the Snap-on XBM series. Your results may vary.

Snappy makes a nice wrench. Very close to the Bonney profile, although the Bonney is a little thicker in the box end.

Here's a S-O XBM next to the equivalent Bonney. You decide.
 
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You can find NOS full polish USA craftsman ones on Ebay fairly often. I have a set and I'm happy enough with them, although I don't find myself using them as often as I thought or hoped I would. (which means very rarely) so probably anything you choose will probably work fine.
 

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Well, I bought the Craftsman Industrial Professional USA made 12 piece offset box end wrench set. It's the same as the NOS USA - Armstrong made Craftsman Professional offset box end wrench set, with the difference that it says "Industrial" instead of "Professional". Before I bought the set online, I had gone to Sears and compared the Chinese metric set (using the 10mm as a comparison) they had on the shelf with the 10mm USA professional open stock one on the shelf. After holding up the USA made 10mm one to the Chinese made 10mm one on the package that says "Craftsman Professional - Full Polish" (made in China ones), there was a noticeable difference in the size of the box end. The USA one is noticeably "thinner" (width-wise) than the Chinese made one. The Chinese made ones "should" work ok I guess for the most part. However, the USA made 10mm one may come in handy where there is a clearance issue, as well as I'm thinking the quality of the steel and tempering in the USA made one may make it stronger and that may be the reason why the USA one is made thinner...

On other notes, I also have a Snap On set. (I got the Craftsman Industrial set to use at my parents place since I'm not going to use them that often, other than when I work on their vehicles). I also compared the 10mm, 11mm, 3/8, 1/2, and 9/16's of both the Snap On ones and the Craftsman Industrial ones. There are some key distinctions between them. The Craftsman Industrial 10mm and 3/8 were noticeably "shorter" or "thinner in height" on the box ends themselves compared to the Snap On ones. I'm thinking approximately 3/16". So, the Snap On ones were "thicker" or "taller in height" compared to the Craftsman Industrial ones. However, the Snap On ones of those had thinner heads when comparing the "width" of the heads.

Whether this is an important detail or not depends on the clearance needed. Vertical clearance, the Craftsman-Armstrong Industrial 10mm and 3/8's would give a little better clearance. If there is limited clearance side to side, the Snap On ones would give you a little better clearance. The 10mm Snap On one was about 1/4" - 3/8" longer (I don't think this would make much difference) as well. One other important distinction between the Craftsman Industrial wrenches and the Snap On's are that the Snap On ones "grip" better or "grab" better.

What I did was put my finger in/on each of the box ends and turned the wrenches while my finger was at the wrench opening to get a feel for how how it would be when it turned a bolt. I also held the wrench stationary and would turn my finger at the box ends of each Craftsman wrench and the Snap on wrenches. The Snap On wrenches would again "grip or grab" better. It's as if the broaching of the Snap On wrenches is distinctively different. The kicker was when I was able to put my index finger in the Craftsman Industrial 9/16" wrench and the wrench turned around the finger as if it was slipping around the finger quite easily. I then did the same thing with the Snap On 9/16". My finger was noticeably tighter in the Snap On 9/16" than the Craftsman. I then proceeded to turn the wrench and let me tell you, this wrench would have broken my finger if I turned the wrench the same way I did with the Craftsman. It gripped/grabbed my finger and no matter which way I would turn the wrench, it grabbed and turned the finger without any slippage whatsoever. I only turned the wrench about 1/8" each way to realize the difference between the wrench brands. The Craftsman 9/16", I could turn the wrench around my entire finger and not have to worry about it breaking my finger. This to me is an indicator as to which of these wrench brands would take a bolt off without worrying about rounding off or stripping the bolt or wrench. The Snap On obviously...

If you're not going to be using the offset box end wrenches much, the Craftsman Industrial Professional wrenches should work just fine generally speaking (in most cases). If however, you have a rusted bolt or a bolt that is rounded already, I wouldn't take a chance with the Craftsman and just get a Snap On one... There is a reason why Snap On says "There is a difference". It's not just the price either, but their tools simply work better in comparison to other brands. In this case, the Craftsman-Armstong Industrial.

I posted this to let others know my experience with both so whomever can decide which brand of offset box end wrenches to purchase depending on how much you'll be using them. Use/cost factor... I hope this helps. I don't know if anyone has done a similar type of test/comparison with SK, MAC, Cornwell, Stahwille, etc. It would be interesting however... I imagine Matco maybe the same at the Armstong-Craftsman ones depending on the wrenches (combination, offset box end, etc. Maybe not however as some of their stuff is made in Taiwan).
 
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Probably out of your price range but, they do show up on Ebay and would consider them for a Zoro sale, PROTO.

Beautiful deep chrome, off corner engagement, nicely squared beams. good balance.
 

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I have a thing for Deep Offset wrenches. Craftsman USA Professionals, Facom, Hazet, SK stubby and Regular craftsman USA. All in all I like my Hazet and Facom's the best. They just have a better feel. Second choice would be the older Craftsman USA professionals.

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I have a set of Gedore India-made offset metric box wrenches, inherited from my dad. They're pretty unimpressive tools and normally live in my junk wrench box. But they do work, and like you, they're only be used a couple of times a year (if that). For very light use, and if you hold your nose, they work fine.
 

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If anyone wants a really cheap deep box end double offset, believe it or not, the Harbor Freight sets are very good, esp for the money. I like US best, and have a few random dbe offsets in US brands, but needed a full set. The HF are good for the money, China Coo I think though for those, not Taiwan. - Paul
 
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