Drain idea for sink

[bluegoose972]

In the process of building a 30x35 weld up metal buiding/shop. It's well behind my home, so no access to the septic system. I did tap into the water supply for the sprinklers, so I have a water source. Trying to figure a simple wall to drain. Dealing with considerable rock not far below the surface, so digging any depth is difficult without equipment. Had a mini-excavator at the house, but didn't even think about digging a dry well.

There is a slight slope running across the yard, away from the building as you can see in the picture. Thinking of running two rows of rail ties along the side, about 2 ft off the building for a raised flower bed. Thinking to drop in a perforated pipe wrapped in fabric/rock before backfilling and then tying in the sink drain to this perforated pipe. The water would slowly release from the perforated pipe and migrate past the ties and out into the yard. I don't see using alot of water...just washing hands and stuff.

Bad idea?

 

[Kaizen]

Keep your plans quiet. Most areas have environmental nightmares around this type of thing.
Try and find the guy on YouTube building an off grid home in the desert. They used big concrete planters as a prefilter for their **** tank. Along the idea you have. Might give you some ideas


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[dfiler2]

Your plan with the perforated pipe will work fine.

 

[CJ7VFR]

Keep your plans quiet. Most areas have environmental nightmares around this type of thing...


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Oh, so true!

There is a house near me, that has been for sale since 2011, and can't sell because of what they call an "Open environmental cleanup required". This has kept people away from buying the place because of the nightmare of issues that have to be dealt with via the EPA. The costs for these types of cleanups is astronomical, and the red tape and hoops you have to jump thru make it nearly impossible to get anything done. That is why no one wants the place even though it is a really nice home on 11 acres of ground.

The issue? The guy did what the OP is asking about. There is a detached garage about 200 feet from the house. He installed a sink and a urinal in the garage so he could clean up and pee before going in the house.

He ran some pipe to get the water supply, and then installed a trap and simple piping from the sink and urinal out of the garage and into a pit where he buried a plastic 55 gallon drum with rocks all around for drainage. It works extremely well for what it does, and there are no smells or wet spots or anything.

The issue came up when an inspector for the first potential buyer back in 2011 found out about the pipes and buried 55 gallon drum for the drainage. Holy mother of God you should have seen all the trucks, EPA vehicles, Hazmat people in their bunny suits, and just about ever other type of township inspector and zoning officer who showed up to investigate the "Hazardous waste environmental open drainage issue" as they called it in the paper.

Poor guy. Just a simple Garage Journal type dude, wanting a place to just be able to clean up after changing the oil in the truck and take a piss in his garage.

The cost for all this "required environmental cleanup" is well over $100,000 at this point, which is why he can't sell the place and had to go into foreclosure on the property. According to what I have read, whoever buys the place has to pay to have it cleaned up, which requires everything within a 100 foot radius be removed, which means the entire garage has to be demolished, and all the dirt has to be removed and replaced with new dirt. Then you have to pay to have the old dirt "remediated" at some facility.

What a crock of ****.

Jim

 

[yeldogt]

Oh, so true!

There is a house near me, that has been for sale since 2011, and can't sell because of what they call an "Open environmental cleanup required". This has kept people away from buying the place because of the nightmare of issues that have to be dealt with via the EPA. The costs for these types of cleanups is astronomical, and the red tape and hoops you have to jump thru make it nearly impossible to get anything done. That is why no one wants the place even though it is a really nice home on 11 acres of ground.

The issue? The guy did what the OP is asking about. There is a detached garage about 200 feet from the house. He installed a sink and a urinal in the garage so he could clean up and pee before going in the house.

He ran some pipe to get the water supply, and then installed a trap and simple piping from the sink and urinal out of the garage and into a pit where he buried a plastic 55 gallon drum with rocks all around for drainage. It works extremely well for what it does, and there are no smells or wet spots or anything.

The issue came up when an inspector for the first potential buyer back in 2011 found out about the pipes and buried 55 gallon drum for the drainage. Holy mother of God you should have seen all the trucks, EPA vehicles, Hazmat people in their bunny suits, and just about ever other type of township inspector and zoning officer who showed up to investigate the "Hazardous waste environmental open drainage issue" as they called it in the paper.

Poor guy. Just a simple Garage Journal type dude, wanting a place to just be able to clean up after changing the oil in the truck and take a piss in his garage.

The cost for all this "required environmental cleanup" is well over $100,000 at this point, which is why he can't sell the place and had to go into foreclosure on the property. According to what I have read, whoever buys the place has to pay to have it cleaned up, which requires everything within a 100 foot radius be removed, which means the entire garage has to be demolished, and all the dirt has to be removed and replaced with new dirt. Then you have to pay to have the old dirt "remediated" at some facility.

What a crock of ****.

Jim

In NJ -- This would not surprise me.

 

[CJ7VFR]

In NJ -- This would not surprise me.

I know. I bet it is even worse in some places like NY or anywhere in the New England states.

Jim

 

[travisn1]

Maybe drain it to a manifold of two 5 gallon buckets with shut offs and bring one up to the house when it's full.

 

[Bretny]

I find it comical that you can wash your hands under your hose bib and piss in your lawn...just dont try to pipe it out of the building.


To the OP your plan should work just fine. Your basicly making a horizontal drywell.

 

[gungatim]

I just drain directly on the ground out the wall. just a sink and occasional urinal. no smell no issues...easy to remove if needed. a simple sink doesn't need a french drain for maybe a gallon of grey water a day?

if you were really worried, instead of buckets you could always use one of those blue crapper haulers that RV's and campers use to drain the black water in. I used to have one for my camper, you can put it on a ball hitch and drive it to up to the house or wherever you need to dump it...but you said sink, not full on bathroom...

 

[fsae0607]

I use a 5 gallon bucket in my garage sink. Gray water and pee. I empty the bucket in my plants. No water is wasted and the plants get free fertilizer. Everyone wins!

 

[rburke65]

I pee in the grass behind my pole barn. My sink drains into the downspouts and that goes into the woods.

 

[LOW1]

Many states will require a signed written disclosure regarding drainage systems at the time of sale. You do not want to lie on these forms.

Can't hook up to septic? If your county allows it maybe a septic holding tank will work but it will need a pumpout now and then. Or some county's accept gray water drain systems that comply with their requirements.

I'd comply with applicable county/state requirements or else you will likely regret not doing so in the future.

 

[Bretny]

Good idea. A holding tank may be legal...then once a year just pump it out onto the grass.

 

[CJ7VFR]

I find it comical that you can wash your hands under your hose bib and piss in your lawn...just dont try to pipe it out of the building...

Exactly. But God forbid you hook up something more sanitary and out of sight.

Jim

 

[JYD]

This is pretty funny actually. And I agree, it's silly. If I need to piss, I just step outside and whip it out. Hell, I don't think one of the neighborhood boys even uses a normal bathroom during the summer.

It will be just for washing my hands. If it's really an issue when I get ready to sell, I will simply remove the sink and cover up the hole, leaving the water value and call it a water source for rinsing out the shop.

Funnier yet is our homes use Aerobic septic systems. The sprinkler that is spraying the grey water will be within a few feet of the horizontal drywell. Of course the grey water is treated with chlorine, but still.

 

[pbon]

In many areas, there are septic systems that include a tank that catches heavier stuff but the rest goes out through perforated pipe into the ground — the leach field. Some areas still allow gray water from the washing machine in which you wash your greasy mechanics clothes to go onto the ground.

You might be able to buy a “pump out” system that is a tank/pump assembly to get the water back to your septic system. These are used for bathrooms that are below sewer line level. They include a 5-20 gallon tank and pump. Not sure the limits — probably none that are strong enough to go 300’ uphill.

 

[MikeinNorthWales]

Install it as you described with everything in the shop.easily removable. Remove it before you sell, or before you no longer need it so your heirs don't have to deal with it.

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[HoosierMark]

Just plumb it into the gutter downspout line. Let the line run out 10 feet with a swale in it so the pee will drain in the ground. The rain will flush it and dilute it. Make it so it is easily removable and if it ever is an issue pull it and put a 5 gallon bucket under the urinal and sink like was suggested. You might also want to have a friend ask the local people if you have any options. That way you find out but they do not know it is you who is wanting the information.