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dthor68

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Can anyone tell me if this is a good deal? Dremel 4000, Dremel 395 and Dremel rotary shaft for $50.00?

I am 50 years old and have never owned a Dremel. I have no idea how well they hold up. I do know that the 4000 is $100.00 new. It seems like a good deal. So, is it safe to buy used Dremel's?

Thanks
 
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Nineeightyone

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I don't recall which model it was, but we used the hell out of a dremel at my previous job.

We had a corded and a cordless -- On the cordless, eventually the battery didn't want to stay in place anymore, and it would only operate on the low-speed setting. But for the environment, it's impressive that it lived as long as it did. Expect to go through cut off wheels relatively rapidly though, they don't live as long as the 4.5" wheels.

For $50 I'd pick them up, I'm a fan particularly for stripped screws and more precision work that can't be done with a grinder.
 

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Haven't ever had an issue with my dremel. I use it for small and detail work like 981 mentioned.

Bought some small bristle (roloc style) discs for it to get into tight spaces for cleaning manifolds and old tools.
 

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Dremel rotary tools are relatively small (compared to something like a die grinder) and relatively low powered (compared to a die grinder :D ).

They are powered by a motor and can usually spin up to about 35k rpm (depending on the exact model).

Bearings can go over time. High speed operation and grit/dust can wear out the bearings over time.

The motor brushes are a wear item and might need to be replaced (if the motor contacts for the brushes aren't chewed up, then it's usually no big deal to change the brushes.)

Dremel manual for the 395 says check the brushes after 50-60 hours of operation and change when needed.

https://www.dremel.com/documents/20812/137350/39504.pdf/a01d9020-84aa-adb7-9a8e-3c05f9342906

If both tools run, aren't worn out or otherwise damaged, and you need/want them, then $50 doesn't sound bad for the two tools and the flex shaft.

Make sure the tools have all the 'parts' they need to operate/run. Collet(s), collet nuts, nose cap, etc. Otherwise it's about $5 for each piece to buy them.
 

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MooonRise has some good information. I've had a 4000 for a number of years and have used the **** out of it. Mostly cutting and grinding in tight areas (the flex shaft is a godsend, and problably keeps a lot of debris out of the motor).
 

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I have a cordless 8200 that I use to slice inner bearing races on pressed in wheel bearings and it does the job, keeping up with the cutoff tool/angle grinder. For $50, I would pick it up because there's always use for them.
 

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I’ve had one since 1990. Same one. You need the different speeds to do different things. They excel at cleaning wire terminals of corrosion. They are useless for 4.5” grinder duties so they both have their place and won’t do each other’s jobs so don’t try.
Remember dremel vs knockoff the chucks and thread pitches are not interchangeable though they look to be. Very similar but meteric . For all I know Maby today’s name brand are metric too[emoji847]
I don’t buy dremel brand brushes as they’re too darned expensive and the get smoked just like the cheapos as quick if ya snag them.
Only things time wore on mine is the collet finger broke off and switch is a bit wonky . If you clean wire ends ect like me get your 1” stainless wheels off Fleabay jewelry supplies $22/ 20 far better than $4-5 each . Cut off wheels1”. ALWAYS WEAR EYE PROTECTION. Not much power but very brittle and you’ll powder your share. Hold them exactly square r they go bang, still will save the say now and again.


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I have a Dremel 395 and I’ve used it for years, it’s fantastic! My father has one too and we both have beat them up. They keep on going. Mine was made in the USA, and while I’m not a COO snob, I'm told it matters in this instance. If mine died tomorrow I’d buy another on off eBay the same day.

I can’t think of an example right now, but there were times where the Dremel was the only tool that could have done the job.

*I just ordered another 50 pack of the fiberglass reinforced cut off discs off Alibaba Express for $4.89 shipped. They’re every bit as good as the Dremel brand, maybe better.
 

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I didn't have one until my fifties either and now I have a couple, including a Sears Craftsman Best. I don't use it much because all the accessories **** big time. I wish they had a wire brush that didn't break apart in seconds.
 

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We use Dremels in production and the only failures have been the coupling that joins the motor to the spindle. On some models it is made of plastic and eventually crumbles. It is replaceable, but we tend to just buy another Dremel when it breaks.
 

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Much better with a hanging flex shaft unit if its for your workshop. Dremels are good if you need portability like cordless tools. Even the HF Foredom knock-offs are a much better tool than a dremel. Having a foot pedal speed control and options of many different hand pieces is far more versatile along with much more controllable power. Pro's use flex shafts not Dremels but they do have their place I suppose.
 

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Buy.....that flex shaft adds utility. Currently use and older model variable speed 3000 that is unbreakable. It often tells me to back off a bit but I don't listen and it just keeps going. I like the reinforced cutting wheels to chew through wall tile grout.....easier for me than wrestling an oscillating type tool at odd angles. Also handy for slicing off nails that I can't access to pull out on a renovation I'm into. Just a handy piece of kit to have on hand
 

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My dremel is 24 years old. Still works perfectly. I've used it a fair amount too. But since mine is corded, I recently upgraded(?) to a Milwaukee cordless rotary tool. The model you are looking at is one that I would be interested in if I wasn't all invested in Milwaukee cordless.
 

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I think I've had mine longer than I have had kids. I don't use it but once in a while but I have it if I need it.

If you don't have one, I'd take a serious look at them.
 

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Despite the fact that you can see on Youtube how to use dremel as router or even grinder, it is a rather weak tool and often fails with simple tasks, for example, if you need to cut a small metal part. But sometimes it helps a lot, it is good for engraving. Anyway, $50 is a good price
 

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I've had a 395 for 20+ years original brushes & all. Was one of the first power tools I got back in high school, still going. Use it all the time for music instrument repair main reason I got it.

Very handy for lots of small scale tasks & detail work. Can't even count the number of bolts & screws I've cut down with the thing...easily hundreds. Also shattered an equal number of cutoff wheels, always wear goggles!

And yes it's a terrible router but likewise can't count the number of half inch sanding belts I've chewed through. One of my most abused bits.

They don't have a lot of torque really need to have a light touch & let the machine do the work.
 
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the Dremel I had since I was like 10 years old burned up a few years ago. I bought a Foredom tool, and a Milkwaukee M12 rotary tool . The Milwaukee is great, and reasonable price.
 
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the Dremel I had since I was like 10 years old burned up a few years ago. I bought a Foredom tool, and a Milkwaukee M12 rotary tool . The Milwaukee is great, and reasonable price.



Those M12 batteries are no joke either. They literally go on forever . I’ve had some 6 yrs and haven’t noticed ANY drop in run time which is impressive as hell in itself.
No cord gives you so much more versatility. If it will run my impact all day easily then it’s overkill for the draw on a dremel type tool. Probably far less wimpy too I’m guessing.


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I have an old Drexel I got for Christmas in 1966, a twenty year old battery version, and a Sears clone.

Never use any of them. There’s always a more appropriate tool, it seems.
 

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I have a Dremel with a long flex shaft that I bought new in the 1980s. I've used it in all sorts of applications including cutting the steel straps that held the gas tank on to my Oldsmobile so I could drop the tank to performing surgery on my own thumb. It is an invaluable tool, and I use it frequently to this day.

Maui
 

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This one's my favorite. You can really do some precision work with it.

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Don't know about the ones built today but my one from the 70's and the one from the 80's are the same as they ever were.
 

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Yep. I was working on an old Ariens snowblower a few years back. It was covered with so much rust that I felt like I needed a tetanus shot every time that I used it. It was running rough and I figured that I needed to make some adjustments to the carburetor. In the process of doing this I had to disconnect the fuel line. I thought that I had shut off the gas before I pulled the line, but apparently I neglected to do that. When gas came spilling out it startled me so much that my hand just automatically jerked upwards and banged into the machine. After I shut off the gas and cleaned up I noticed that my thumb looked odd. Closer inspection revealed that a thick shard of rusted metal had impaled itself into my thumbnail. It was imbedded through the nail but didn't touch the surrounding skin, which is probably why I didn't feel too much pain. I knew that going to the doctor or the emergency room would be a royal waste of time because they wouldn't do anything for it anyway. But they would charge a ridiculous amount of money that would come directly out of my pocket. And my high deductible plan wouldn't reimburse me for it. So screw it. I pulled the chunk out with a pair of pliers which removed the vast majority of it. But there was still a significant amount of debris imbedded in the nail and the flesh underneath it. So out came my old Black and Decker dremel with the flexible cord. I have a microscope at home that I looked through as I used a sterilized grinding arbor in the dremel to very carefully grind through the thumbnail. No painkiller for this either. It wasn't pleasant. Then a sterilized sewing needle was used to get the little pieces of rust out of the remaining nail and underlying flesh. It was a nice bit of dremel surgery. I even took some photos of it afterwards. I'll see if I can find one and post it. The end result was that it never became infected, healed completely, and since the nail has grown out you would never know that I was ever injured.
 

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I have a Dremel with a long flex shaft that I bought new in the 1980s. I've used it in all sorts of applications including cutting the steel straps that held the gas tank on to my Oldsmobile so I could drop the tank to performing surgery on my own thumb. It is an invaluable tool, and I use it frequently to this day.

Maui

Wait... surgery on your thumb?

A Dremel is great for relieving the pressure after you break the blood vessels under a fingernail. Use a small drillbit, like the smallest ones in your drill index, and remember, it's not a 2 x 4 you're drilling! The 'relief of pressure' sensation is immediate, no-more throbbing digits. It's worth having one for that alone.

I have several. My first/oldest is a Sears L'il Crafty die-cast motor housing which uses a finger-tighten collet instead of a wrench. It's probably old-enough for Social Security, and while I don't use it much (newer rotary tools) it's helped me out innumerable times during my ownership. I got it for Christmas when I wanted to do mods on my Aurora HO "Model Motoring" slot car set, the one that had Sir Stirling Moss's picture on the lithographed box, and an XK-E and a 1964-1/2 Mustang coupe powering out of a turn, back when the XK-E's and the Mustang were new to the market.

Two of my other rotary tools are Dremels, corded, and the cord doesn't bother me a bit. I have the helix-sheathed extension cable for remote use others have spoken-of, but I don't use it.

I like the multi-speed switch model, to tune the speed/use to the job.

I prefer the fiber-reinforced cut-off discs to the cheaper thinner discs, which are very-prone to shattering if you're not very-careful about side-loading the disc. Eye protection!

The Harbor Freight brass bristle brushes shed them like a molting porcupine, and your clothes will wear them well, leaving you looking like something out of a Monty Python movie, and drawing the wrath of your spouse when her clothes get 'pulls' in the knit fabric because you carelessly threw your stuff in the wash, and all those embedded wires do a number on knits.

I bought a cheap HFT rotary tool, I needed it for a job immediately, and I didn't care if the thing burned-up or broke, as-long as I was able to do that one job. Of course, it did the job, there are some things that apparently only a small rotary tool can easily-do. Years-later, it's still working, though the collet requires a wrench, and the little button to lock the armature isn't very-strong, trying to securely-tighten the collet will cause the armature to slip-out of the retaining pin. I've learned to just make it snug, not tight, and that seems to hold the tool bit shafts OK.

I refuse to use those ridiculous 'no tools needed' gimmicks for the bits which Dremel tried to foist off on an unsuspecting, gullible public (it's an "EZ Lock" to remove money from your wallet!).

One of my friends bought a bag of the felt cones to polish his Hyabusa custom wheels' edges and they turned-out great. It took awhile, a pro shop probably could have done it in a day, for $100 apiece. But what's the fun in that? Pic of the wheels (attach.) included. All that shiny work on the rear wheel is Dremel-polished aluminum.

One of the uses I find it invaluable for are removing those tiny M4 machine screws on vintage motorcycle master cylinders, by cutting a slot into the buggered phillips screws, and using a slot-head screwdriver to remove them. Make the slot a tight fit for the screwdriver blade.
 

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While we are on the subject of Dremels- Save a lot of $$$ by getting your consumables from Ebay- plan ahead, it will take 3-4 weeks from China, but compare the prices to the
Dremel in the stores. I have been getting items for years and they always come thru- quality is the same as Dremel, which I suppose is just repackaged Chinese.

Sort on EBAY price LOWEST & buy it now- most have free shipping too

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=dremel+grinding&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_sop=15

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=dremel+sanding&_sop=15

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=dremel+sanding+drums&_sop=15

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...LH_TitleDesc=0&_sop=15&_odkw=dremel+polishing
 
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While we are on the subject of Dremels- Save a lot of $$$ by getting your consumables from Ebay- plan ahead, it will take 3-4 weeks from China, but compare the prices to the
Dremel in the stores. I have been getting items for years and they always come thru- quality is the same as Dremel, which I suppose is just repackaged Chinese.

Sort on EBAY price LOWEST & buy it now- most have free shipping too

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=dremel+grinding&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_sop=15

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=dremel+sanding&_sop=15

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=dremel+sanding+drums&_sop=15

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...LH_TitleDesc=0&_sop=15&_odkw=dremel+polishing

Actually I’ve found AliExpress to be both faster and cheaper than eBay. They also seem to have better versions of the same products, because on AliExpress you’re rating the item and then the seller. It’s easier to get a better product.
 

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Yep. I was working on an old Ariens snowblower a few years back. It was covered with so much rust that I felt like I needed a tetanus shot every time that I used it. It was running rough and I figured that I needed to make some adjustments to the carburetor. In the process of doing this I had to disconnect the fuel line. I thought that I had shut off the gas before I pulled the line, but apparently I neglected to do that. When gas came spilling out it startled me so much that my hand just automatically jerked upwards and banged into the machine. After I shut off the gas and cleaned up I noticed that my thumb looked odd. Closer inspection revealed that a thick shard of rusted metal had impaled itself into my thumbnail. It was imbedded through the nail but didn't touch the surrounding skin, which is probably why I didn't feel too much pain. I knew that going to the doctor or the emergency room would be a royal waste of time because they wouldn't do anything for it anyway. But they would charge a ridiculous amount of money that would come directly out of my pocket. And my high deductible plan wouldn't reimburse me for it. So screw it. I pulled the chunk out with a pair of pliers which removed the vast majority of it. But there was still a significant amount of debris imbedded in the nail and the flesh underneath it. So out came my old Black and Decker dremel with the flexible cord. I have a microscope at home that I looked through as I used a sterilized grinding arbor in the dremel to very carefully grind through the thumbnail. No painkiller for this either. It wasn't pleasant. Then a sterilized sewing needle was used to get the little pieces of rust out of the remaining nail and underlying flesh. It was a nice bit of dremel surgery. I even took some photos of it afterwards. I'll see if I can find one and post it. The end result was that it never became infected, healed completely, and since the nail has grown out you would never know that I was ever injured.


Dude, you're almost as bad *** as the Soviet surgeon that took out his own appendix in Antarctica.

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Those M12 batteries are no joke either. They literally go on forever . I’ve had some 6 yrs and haven’t noticed ANY drop in run time which is impressive as hell in itself.
No cord gives you so much more versatility. If it will run my impact all day easily then it’s overkill for the draw on a dremel type tool. Probably far less wimpy too I’m guessing.


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the M12 rotary tool with a carbide grinder from McMasterCarr will disolve rusty nuts. It came in very handy when I was redoing the front suspension on my 09 Forester. The endlink nuts were a snap to grind off.
 

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Dremels are small and will not do big work. When used within their limits, they do a fine job and last very well. I have bought several 395s from eBay and CL and have been very happy with them. They usually only ever need that plastic coupling replaced which is easy and cheap. The variable speed is great.

Just don't push the hell out of a Dremel. Use an air die grinder or a right-angle grinder for that stuff. I never use em for drilling. Main use is for cutting little **** with the carborundum wheels or brushing something with all of the different brushes.
 

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I really ended up hating my 4 Dremels.
The collet lock always gets bumped in use and all of them stripped out.
The switch quit completely on 2 of them, and are now getting finicky on the other two.
I LOVE the M12 Cordless that I replaced them with. Good balance, sufficient power for most of what I do. It's become my go-to for a rotary tool.
I also bought a cheap WEN corded rotary tool, for about $15 on Amazon, it was worth a try for when I needed extended run time- to my surprise it's outlasted the $60 Dremels. Better product, IMO.
 

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I believe that, for what you work on.

I work on about everything that moves or stands still. My helper is an electronics tech and he uses his quite often but now seeing him moving more to the air with my tools.
I have just got so accustom to doing what I do with what I use that I have got the speed and ease. I don't use flap wheels, use a 7 inch sander, use a 4 1/2 for about 90% of it with a common grinding wheel and can still sharpen a drill bit near as good with one as a bench grinder.
Same for bench grinder, I actually have a bigger one but don't use it and only occasionally use the small one I have with a common stone and wire wheel mostly for bolt cleaning. I have about a dozen air tools with different stuff tailored for the jobs.
BTW, I like right angle better for cut off and wire wheel than straight. I do have pencil brush and rotary files.
 
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It turns out the person selling the dremels never did respond to my last email. I told him that I had 120v in my car and I would have to make sure they worked. I will get a new version.
 
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