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Here is a pic of the raising mechanism I'm trying to get more info on.
 

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Is anyone familiar with the motor options that were available for the 150's? I have lead on a 150 with a 1/3 hp Dunlap motor on it. I'm not sure if that's an original motor or not? The plaque does read "Sears Roebuck and Co USA" on it. 1/3 hp seems a bit under powered to me?

This 150 floor model is over an hour one way and in decent running shape. It's missing the stop nuts on the plunge rod (not savvy on the terminology yet) but has a blemish free table and base. Surface rust on the usual places, but nothing too pitted. Letting me have it for a Benjamin if I want it. Looking at the pics, I'm about 80% that the motor is not original. It just looks too small sitting on the back plate of the drill. I'm on the fence.

Pro:
It's a vintage 150 in relatively decent shape
Good restoration candidate
Table not drilled
Floor model

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1/3 hp Dunlap motor
Doesn't have the cool swirl pattern head band - has the straight line version
Missing stop collar nuts
Prolly a three hour round trip adventure

What do you guys think?
 

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Can't really see myself going thicker than 1/4" steel, but have bored holes up to 3/4" with a step bit.
 
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More adventures ahead. Following another lead on two drill presses, one looks to be a model 100 and the other is an old Delta Homecraft bench top. If I can get them, it will be at a "You ****" price as the asking price for the set is already pretty low. Waiting to hear back when I can go and see them.
 

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What do you guys think?

Lack of table lift would kill the deal for me. I'd keep looking. In addition 1/3 HP is pretty wimpy and the correct CM motor would be hard to find and/or expensive to have shipped to you.

How urgent is your need? If you have lots of time you can do much better IMHO.
 

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Can't really see myself going thicker than 1/4" steel, but have bored holes up to 3/4" with a step bit.

You should be good without a backgear then. Step bits are great as long as you don't have thick metal and can take your time.

Lack of table lift would kill the deal for me. I'd keep looking. In addition 1/3 HP is pretty wimpy and the correct CM motor would be hard to find and/or expensive to have shipped to you.

How urgent is your need? If you have lots of time you can do much better IMHO.

You can rig up a cable system with a counterbalance weight and it works better than a crank lift. If you counter weight is the exact same as the table, then the table now moves up and down with the exact same force--almost nothing.
 

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Great responses, thank you. Dex, that HF looks a lot better than the one I have. They probably made a mistake when they made that one, lol. 454, that is a beast!

Are older Craftsman any good? Here's one https://offerup.com/item/detail/708815796/

This particular model is f'ing horrible. Look at the belt - it's less than 1/4" wide and is not able to put any torque into the pulley. My dad has one, and it's a complete turd. It stalls when drilling anything made of metal, if the bit is 1/4" or bigger. Even with a new belt it *****. Also, there's no rack & pinion table adjuster, so you have to catch the table when you loosen the lock.

Run. Away.
 
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Good point about the belt PNW.

Yeah, I crossed the Model 150 off my list because of the motor. Although a lift would be nice, I'm not gonna dismiss a DP because it may not have one. I agree with ClappedOut that a cable system would be easy enough to rig up. A while back I counter weighted a large (4' x 6') mirror that was hiding my TV and Audio gear. Built it and the counter weights into the wall and rigged a windshield wiper motor to run it up into the wall to reveal the TV.

I have plenty of time for the right DP as I already have a little crappy one. I'm actually more interested in getting a nice candidate for a restoration project than anything else. Today I may have stumbled on a couple of nice candidates. A guy is downsizing and told me he has two old drill presses he wants to get rid of, a model 100 and an old Delta Homecraft, both on a stand and both table top units. Both are working, although the HC seems to have a non original motor. I'm looking forward to meeting the guy tomorrow and seeing the condition of the machines. This is a package deal for $125 - both drill presses and both stands. Crossing my fingers here, lol.
 
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On a whim I emailed a guy selling some big machinery. I asked him if he might have an old drill press under a tarp in remote corner of his shop waiting to be reclaimed. It was a super long shot, but he replied an hour later saying that I might be in luck. He said he remembers an old drill but had to go find it - it's a large commercial shop. The guy was very nice and already emailed me twice, saying he will look for it this weekend. He said it had a very odd shape, so I sent him some pics of Alien head drills and he said, to his recollection, that it looked similar to them. Can't wait to hear back from him.

On another note, I also have a lead on a Walker Turner that I may have time to look at today. Guy wants $150 for it.

These two drills are much closer to me than the package deal in the post above. We'll see.
 

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I have an old Canadian Buffalo that I threw a 3 ph motor and VFD on and love the thing!
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A rack to lift the table would be nice tho
 
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That drill looks like it's all business! Nice. What is up with Photobucket splashing their logo over half the picture? They didn't always do that, right? Wait, let me guess: "for the nominal price of xyz we'll remove that logo on our free web site"
 
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So today I finally pulled the trigger on some pretty cool stuff.

First stop I picked up a 50's model 150 Craftsman full size drill press complete with an extra motor. It's running fine, but the motor isn't original and a bit small. The extra motor is a Sears and Roebuck Drill press motor. With that purchase I also picked up a large Craftsman vise and a large Athol vise mounted on a nice heavy stand. Also include were three pieces of 1/4" white plexiglass that can and have been used as facing for a table saw fence plus two rolls of double sided tape to attach the plexi. Total - $90

Next stop was to a machine shop that was shutting down. There I picked up a Walker Turner bench top drill press, vintage around late 30's, early 40's. It runs strong with no run out that I can discern, but has some drill holes in the base and...........no table top. But.....I only paid $50 for it. Figure I'll try and pick up a table for it, or worst case scenario, part it out. That would be a shame though as it really runs quiet, strong, and vibration free.

With that W/T, I also picked up 5 or 6 large heavy duty made in USA clamps, a gear puller, and an older heavy duty bench grinder also on a very heavy duty stand. Add another $50.

Total haul for today:

50' Craftsman full size drill press complete and in working condition
Sears Roebuck, what looks like a 3/4 hp motor
Craftsman vise in nice shape - may be 3.5 or 4 inch
Athol, made in America vise - prolly 4"
Large metal machine stand
Plexiglass for table saw fence
Walker Turner 1940's drill press in great running condition but missing table
5 large heavy duty Made in America clamps
A small gear puller
A heavy duty (hopefully Baldor) bench top grinder in great working condition
Another very heavy duty machine stand

Total paid: $190

Anyone got a Walker Turner bench top table they wanna throw my way?




Anyone??




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Oh yeah, lest I forget - pics tomorrow as I was grimy and tired unloading and had a fight to watch, lol.
 
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All right, got the skinny on the WT. It's a series 900, 15" table top model with serial number 1 944. The column diameter is a whopping 2 3/4 inches. This guy is heavy. It looks like it has the original motor with a very well preserved motor badge. Aside from a few divots in the base and the missing table, this can be a really nice restoration. The bearings are tight, the motor runs like new, the badge is (will be immaculate) great, it has the original oil hat on the bell, and the bones are in very good shape.

If I can find a table for it, I'm going to do a bolt by bolt restoration of this drill press. Oh, one more thing, it has a nasty after market switch on the side, so original switch is gone.
 

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Next are the pics I promised. If anyone can identify the grinder? The paint on the name plate is gone, but I've managed to uncover some etched in information. It's a 1/3 hp motor and it has several other numbers on it. There are three series of four digit numbers, 6808, 2702, and 3450. I'm guessing the 3450 may be the rpm. The 6809 possibly the model number? The 2702 - your guess is as good as mine. The bottom row of numbers starts with a 1, then a space, then 816413. Serial number? In any case, this motor is very heavy and built like a tank. I was hoping I could take the protective casings off the ends, but they are an integral part of the housing. Would have been nice to make a polisher out of it.

I won't go into more descriptions of the items as I have already done that a couple of posts above. If you have any information or questions, I'm all ears and more than happy to respond.

Here they are...
 

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So my drill press is a mid 40's series 900 with a 2 3/4" column. Apparently Walker Turner, Delta, and Atlas all had 2 3/4" columns at that time and the tables interchange. So let me know if you have a rusty hunk that could be salvaged, lol.

I already have my feelers out on CL, VM, and off course here in the classifieds.

Wish me luck.

P.S. That's obviously not a Walker Turner, and obviously not my press, but mine will look like that when I get done with it.
 

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Next are the pics I promised. If anyone can identify the grinder? The paint on the name plate is gone, but I've managed to uncover some etched in information. It's a 1/3 hp motor and it has several other numbers on it. There are three series of four digit numbers, 6808, 2702, and 3450. I'm guessing the 3450 may be the rpm. The 6809 possibly the model number? The 2702 - your guess is as good as mine. The bottom row of numbers starts with a 1, then a space, then 816413. Serial number? In any case, this motor is very heavy and built like a tank. I was hoping I could take the protective casings off the ends, but they are an integral part of the housing. Would have been nice to make a polisher out of it.

Pretty sure your grinder is a Brown and Brockmeyer 6"- the base certainly matches. They have a good reputation. 3450 is the RPM, 5 amps, 110 V 60 cycles 1 phase.

Nice get on the vise base for $90. And they threw in a pretty sweet Athol 624 as well- nice size, top quality and doesn't look like it was ever used in anger. Over painted which is okay if you want to leave it outside, else you probably want to clean the machined surfaces etc.

Too bad you missed out on the Buffalo 18" press- a beast but will still do fine on small work and the most robust table raising mechanism out there. They were always tops in quality, and they still make this press and parts for it. Would have been well worth buying a new motor for it. But a Craftsman 150 for free ain't bad. Not heavy duty, but accurate if not abused. And looks cool.

Not too sure about the WT, not the best sign that they pilfered the table for another press. Another table is trivial enough to come up with for 2 3/4" column- if I knew where my spare was I'd send it your way. I assume Wtsmllc still sells bearings but $$$. If the rest of it checks out and you're going to restore it you may want to get the bearings whether it obviously needs them now or not. I would buy them later in the process so you know if there are any other issues.
 

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Can't seem to edit my post. The nicer solution for a table would be a tilting table, though probably a lot harder to come by. Also, look over table sizes before you buy, sizes range from roughly 10x10 to at least 11x14, larger if a production table.
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Hi Wade,

I appreciate that rundown. Finally an idea of what that grinder may be. The WT press is in perfect running condition with no runout to speak of and a tight spindle. I don't think the table was pilfered, but removed because they (the machine shop it came from) had a single use for the press and kept it in one position for duration. At least that's what the owner of the shop told me.

So far I still haven't found a replacement table, but tomorrow I'm heading out to a guy who has a warehouse full of old tools and machines. Time will tell.
 

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Hi Eric,

Info on BB grinders is sparse, but there are some threads on OWWM such as the following. Bob V saying they are a bit better than the Baldor means a lot, that is why I remembered them. The non-articulating tool rests are a weakness for sharpening, he shows his solution. Sears sold them for a while, may give you one more search item. The 6808 is probably a model number.

Oops, looks like I need more posts to do a link. Search on Owwm.org for Brockmeyer grinder and you should find it. Thread 204787 FWIW.

I think my comments on your presses could have been viewed as criticism when I didn't mean it, sorry about that. I should have said the WT table could have been pilfered, not was. Glad it is in such good working condition. The reason I suggested new bearings is the grease goes bad after 20 odd years, and you never know how long wtsmllc will be making them. If you're doing a full teardown, worth thinking about unless you know they have been replaced in the last 5 years. On a possible production table- nice to have but heavy so then a table lift comes into the equation.

Fifteen years ago a friend was looking for a drill press. I pointed out a floor model WT like yours was on ebay fairly close. He determined it was in good shape, won the auction for short money, and picked it up from the machine shop that was selling it. And a couple of months later he and his brother bought the machine shop and moved it here.

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Hi Wade:

I'm also leaning toward replacing the bearings just because it looks like the press has had it's fair share of use. I'll check them out once I get to that stage. Did a run today but had no luck finding a table for the drill press. Found one, but it was a bit odd in that it had the screw to tighten it on the column directly under the table? It wasn't even a lever adjustment, just a bolt! Passed that one up.

Finding a table for that drill press is harder than I thought.
 

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Eric,

I think you may have stumbled over some original equipment yesterday.

A glance at that auction site, drill press table, under $150, a not egregiously high amount. A dozen would fit. One was from a WT 900 and had the column clamp bolt under the table, was non-tilt, came with a custom made clamp loosening socket. You could swap the bolt with a Kipp handle from Zoro, though it would limit the vertical travel a couple of inches- you could use it except for those few times you need the extra height. Or mostly use a Gearwrench. It has a cutout up front so you can use a 12" long socket extension with minimal vertical clearance needed. Looks like the design does give you a tad more working space on the top. WT known as good but quirky.

Nicest to me was a tilting one from a Buffalo 15 that had a hole or 2 filled, but else spotless. Rust might leave some pitting, should be minimal. The single lever clamps 2 connected split collars with a fair amount of vertical separation. Should hold stronger with less pressure and probably easier to move. Carla sez Buffalos were made to the highest standards, so I'm sure it would have adequate heft with good adjustability.

Buy the original in good shape, or the best in better shape is what I say. Look them over and figure out best one for your needs, I really only just glanced at a few. Local would be cheaper.

On a separate note, I stumbled across a thread on OWWM (where I usually hang out) titled Great Find Walker Turner Drill Press. (His clearly was not a great find, yours is vastly better.) It shows his WT bearings as open. Since yours work smoothly and tight, if they are open/not shielded just flush the old grease out and add fresh grease, no need to replace. This thread (number 202998 ) also shows what it takes to remove the pulley and bearings, though yours may be a bit different if it is later.

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One more addendum- some of the Delta tilting tables are 11"x14" versus the Buffalo 10"x11"; the larger table may be more useful to you than having a somewhat better clamping mechanism on the Buffalo. I don't remember any without divots in that price range though. I have no idea what the WT table size is.
 
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Either the column hole isn't the right size, the table isn't the right size, it's got a horrible arc of shame, or the price plus shipping is three to four times what I paid for the press.

If I don't find a table in the next weeks or so, I'll part it out. Did not think it was that big of an issue to find a table.
 

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Eric,

Placing fairly complete properly operating industrial equipment in your shop is rarely cheap. Getting it in this shape for 15% of the new cost of such machinery is often not difficult, but sometimes it works out to 20%, and more for desirable machines. We are lucky it is so cheap. 10% of new is a good deal; your WT press would be about $2,500 new. It may be hard to sell a press for $200, but it isn't easy finding a really good one that is accurate for that much either. Getting deals on excellent condition Craftsman tools or imports is much easier.

Best I can tell you got it for free so far. If you are patient you may get what you want for less than a first glance reveals. You could always make an offer to a seller. Those tables were all at least decent, finding an industrial press with a fairly pristine table will cost a lot more/take longer. That Buffalo 15" table would fit your press and is as nice as you're likely to see, though it is a brand mismatch. You could join OWWM and post a WTB in the metalworking section. I'd hate to see an accurate press get parted out, it also might take a lot of time and effort to get much for those parts.

Folks brag about their awesome deals, but often an awesome deal often becomes a lot less awesome when all costs are accounted for. I've gotten some tools for under 5% of new including all costs, but usually I've paid more like 10-15% total and occasionally have had to add an extra $100 or more because I missed something or was unlucky (it helps to have machinist friends).

Be patient, only get top quality tools in good shape and pretty complete and pay some extra for that- you get the lowest costs for the least effort in the end. Even so there is typically a cost to ownership, if it's $100 more than resale value you've done pretty good (Maybe $150 for WT stuff, they have an extra ownership premium with the bearings-but they look cool!) You do get to use it all you are able for 30 + years for that price though. Old hands will do better, especially if they can make their own repairs, and you will when you are lucky. Like the vise etc with the Craftsman drill.

I can now post links, here's the discussion on Brockmeyer grinders. You could probably sell your grinder there if you don't want it if you point to that discussion.
http://www.owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=204787&hilit=brockmeyer
 

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Either the column hole isn't the right size, the table isn't the right size, it's got a horrible arc of shame, or the price plus shipping is three to four times what I paid for the press.

If I don't find a table in the next weeks or so, I'll part it out. Did not think it was that big of an issue to find a table.

IMHO you're too impatient. That DP is a diamond in the rough and it would be a travesty to part it out. It'll probably take you way longer to sell the parts piece meal then to find a table.

My advise it to start begging over at OWWM.org BOYD thread. Those boys over there have a lot of parts and in my experience they really want to help other guys get their machines restored. Yes, shipping will be expensive but that has to be factored into the satisfaction that comes with getting these classic machines back in service.

If you wanted fast and cheap then you should have gone to HF.
 

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P.S. This one isn't too bad and the total shipped price is reasonable. The arc of shame is pretty minor and the divots can be filled in with JB weld then sanded flush.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Atlas-74-6...939935?hash=item1efedd609f:g:8MYAAOSwbbtdO0lc

This one has a terrible arc of shame but it's very cheap and you can always add a top piece of plate steel or aluminum while you continue searching for a better candidate:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-antiqu...614666?hash=item2f34e0dc8a:g:DzsAAOSwDFFdSM8A

..and here's a real nice one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Delta-Rock...278&pg=2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982
 
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Yes, I am also searching on OWWM and have a thread and a "Wanted" ad in the BOYD.

Yes, maybe I am a bit impatient at this point, but please, the HF was just a low blow, lol.

I was just getting no responses of any kind, that's why I wanted to rattle the cage with the parting out comment. I'll start cleaning the press up and in the mean time maybe a table will turn up. Thanks Wade and Dave for chiming in and giving me some encouragement to hang in there. Will follow the above links and see.
 

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tables can tilt, or turn

one table is grizzly

other is central machinery


seems like a table could be
mofified with a mill to fit
a drill press


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Charl,

on your second post it looks like you were trying to show three pictures? Only one came through. I agree that if I had a table that was close to the needed column dimension it could be machined, but what tables are just a bit smaller? It would have to be around 2.5 inches. If any smaller, there wouldn't be enough meat left after milling, if any at all. I do appreciate the out of the box thinking though. Thank you for the added option.
 
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Found a suitable table, at least on paper, and it looks similar to a WT table. It's from a Dayton 15" drill press. It's a bit of a road trip for me, but I'll pick it up as soon as possible. I'm getting what I believe is a great deal on it given it's condition. Thank you James.
 

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So I picked up this table and it is as nice as it looks like in the pic, only one blemish right off the center bore. It will clean up nicely. The issue is that it may be metric and the column diameter bore is 1/100th smaller than my WT column. In other words, with the clamp completely undone, the column is a very tight fit. This is much too tight for the table to move freely when you need to raise or lower it.
 

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That's a 30 minutes job for someone with a boring head and a mill. One I'd happily take, but shopping actors the country twice wouldn't be very practical.
 
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Well, looking into the situation a bit more, it wasn't as bad as it seemed. After knocking down some initial rust, I noticed a bright spot on just one side that was preventing the column from entering the bore.

With nothing to lose, I took a Sharpie and completely marked up the inside mating surface. Gently tapping, rocking and twisting the column into the bore, I found the offending high spot revealed by worn away Sharpie marks.

I then proceeded to slowly sand that spot down with 100 grit sandpaper wound around a household spray can. The whole process took about 20 minutes and I now have a perfectly fine table for my Walker Turner Drill Press.

The table will be beautiful when restored and has the benefit of the clamp on the side instead of underneath. Plus, it looks very similar to an original WT.
 

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This is what she looks like after cleaning up the post and wheel handles. Now on to the serious stuff.
 

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Allen Arin

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North Carolina
Delta 18'' a great drill press it comes with a great torque and wide range,it completes the job for lumber and metal.It's worth spending dollars
 
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