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nate379

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Does $0.50 sq/ft sound normal for hot seal coat?

This isn't the same stuff as the DIY in a 5 gal bucket stuff. That stuff covers 100 sq ft I guess? so I would need about 50 gallons to do 2 coats.
 
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Had an interesting discussion with a supposed expert who chided me for paying to have my driveway coated. He says seal coat is for appearance only, doesn't have any long-term protection. He says it also makes steep driveways slicker. Any experts here who really know the scoop on sealing asphalt?

thnx, jack vines
 

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Have it hot coated.The **** that they sell @ HD and Lowes won't last as long.

Ask me how I know.
 

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Think About this ------ Do They or have you ever seen anyone hot seal a road or highway ? ? I never have.......
 

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I was heading for home from work the other day and they were sealing the parking lot of a local grocery store. It had the same smell of the driveway sealer I used 15 years ago that made me so ill. It still smells after several days and has to be a real tar material. The stuff you get now from HD and lowes is ****.
 

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Think About this ------ Do They or have you ever seen anyone hot seal a road or highway ? ? I never have.......

As a matter of fact, yes. My street, last week. Los Angeles, California. I have no idea what type of sealant it was, but it went on hot and thick over an asphalt base that's been in place for a little over a year. The flyer the city distributed made the point that the sealant prolongs the life of the asphalt.
 

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Had an interesting discussion with a supposed expert who chided me for paying to have my driveway coated. He says seal coat is for appearance only, doesn't have any long-term protection. He says it also makes steep driveways slicker. Any experts here who really know the scoop on sealing asphalt?

thnx, jack vines

BS - they seal coat the asphalt at the drag strip to save the parking lot and it lasts a good long time. Price runs about .20/sq ft IIRC. That's two coats of seal. Sounds cheap - until you learn there's 120,000 sq ft to do.
 

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The smell is coal tar. And a real pro will have sand in his mix so it isn't slippery when wet. I haven't seen anyone use a hot mix in a long time. That stuff is outlawed in most states. People see us pulling a trailer around with a tank, and automatically assume it's heated for some reason.

And Nate, ask him what the name of this "hot sealer" is called. If he says gilsonite, walk away. Like I said before, it's widely outlawed. That stuff is dilluted with anything from diesel to kerosene and such. The very same products you want to protect your asphalt from.....Sure, petroleum products are used to make asphalt, that's what makes it soft and "workable" when applying it.

Which brings up 1 more thing: Wait 6 months to 1 year to seal new asphalt. If you seal it before those chemicals have a chance to evaporate, the asphalt will never solidify.

As far as price, that's tricky to answer. I'm also on an asphalt forum, and can tell you prices vary ALOT across the U.S. and also depends on how much prep work has to be done. And if you've never had it sealed before, it will take more sealer, so I will charge accordingly.

And do yourselves a favor. Wether it's paving or sealing. Make sure the company is locally owned. Too many scammers in our line of work that do shoddy work, take your money, then go on to the next town or state.
 

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We had our parking lot at work repaved last summer and they came back and seal coated it last week.

I am of the opinion that it will help the parking lot last longer. It certainly made it look better.

I'm sorry I can't remember the sf charge. It was in the quote for the original paving and I've slept since then. I do know that compared to the asphalt cost, it was miniscule.

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We use it in the parking lots at the school where I work. It is a slurry seal, which has a coal tar emulsion (not soluble by gas or oil) with small chips of stone, almost sand. It renews the oils that dry out in the pavement and extends the life. We crack fill one year, slurry seal the next year, then wait three more years so we have a 5 year cycle. It is the same process and company that the local municipalities use on their streets; we buy the same service from the same vendor under a county contract.. The homeowner stuff is thinner without aggregate, but it still seals and renews the oils that have dried out, so it has some value. I think some people do it more often than needed.
 
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We use it in the parking lots at the school where I work. It is a slurry seal, which has a coal tar emulsion (not soluble by gas or oil) with small chips of stone, almost sand. It renews the oils that dry out in the pavement and extends the life. We crack fill one year, slurry seal the next year, then wait three more years so we have a 5 year cycle. It is the same process and company that the local municipalities use on their streets; we buy the same service from the same vendor under a county contract.. The homeowner stuff is thinner without aggregate, but it still seals and renews the oils that have dried out, so it has some value. I think some people do it more often than needed.

I had my drive paved in late '08 and had it sealed in late '09. Over the winter it has spots appear. It looks like I speckled it with white paint. Upon closer examination, it is a) rocks in the aggregate that have worn off or b) the tops of the rocks have broken. I'm talking lots of them on the whole drive.

It was a local paver and a local sealer, both have been around for years. I haven't talked to either of them but it looks odd.
 
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I don't know how to post the pdf, but this is what is listed on it:

"Power wash, prime oil spots, 2 coats air blowed, hot poured sealer."

I sent a msg back asking if they would knock the price down if I pressure wash it on my own.
 

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Nate, if you offered to power wash it for me, I'd lower the price but I'd also say goodbye to any warranty I offered.
 

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Very interesting discussion. I would like my driveway sprayed with asphalt emulsion SS1. I have seen road crews spray this on interstates and it seems to last forever once it dries and sets. Can't find anyone to do a small area like a driveway. In my research this would be the way to go. All my local sealers are interested is their cold coal tar/ kitty litter clay mix that's only good for 5 years. Google asphalt emulsion SS1 and check it out. Seems like the way to go to me.
 

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zista gilsonite

Gilsonite is a common name for a Group of Solid Bitumen Minerals called Grahamite with Generic name of Natural Bitumen. Below is diagram of all Solid Bitumen materials categorized by end of 20th century:

gilsonite

WHAT IS GILSONITE:
Basically, Grahamite or Gilsonite is a SOLID MINERAL BITUMEN which is categorized by geologists as SOLVABLE material in OIL solvents, such as CS2, TCE & CCL4.

gilsonite

Solid Bitumen including Gilsonite goes by different names across the globe depending on the local names given and the industry which is the main consumer of natural bitumen. Below is an overview of the different names given to Natural Bitumen:

USA: Gilsonite, Uintaite or Uinitite
Canada: Albertite
Latin America: Asphaltite or Asfaltita
Trinidad: Lake Asphalt
China: Bituminous Rock, Pyrobitumen
Middle East & India: Natural Asphalt, Asphaltum
All above names refer to a certain product that can be categorized as above table depending on the characteristics of the mineral which varies from one origin to another.

Gilsonite has wide area of application depending on these specifications while it has superior advantages to many substitute materials (for example sea coal in Foundry) as it is originated from Crude Oil – Unlike Pyrobitumens – and many aromatic or aliphatic components of Crude Oil exist within the Natural Bitumen Molecular Structure.

Apart from all the points, price is one of the important parameters for choosing any product. Gilsonite Price is derived of a combined set of factors and variables. the price of iran gilsonite Because of unstable exchange rate to Iranian currency (IRR) the Gilsonite prices provided to customers in USD keep changing according to the exchange rate.

The key to applying and taking advantages of these superior characteristics is based on knowing the conditions of Blend & Formulation of the product as an additive/raw material in each certain application from Oil Drilling and Foundry to more delicate ones such as Inks, Paints & Stains.
 

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Re: zista gilsonite

Gilsonite or Uintaite is a mineral which is derived from Crude Oil after it has been passed through different layers of earth by pressure and time. (Please see “gilsonite” for more info)

Chemically, Gilsonite is considered a Hydrocarbon and it has several chemical compositions within including amounts of Carbon, Nitrogen, Oxygen and Sulfur and molecules of Asphaltenes and Maltenes. The natural impurity of material called Ash Content is calculated by heating under ASTM D-3174 to measure the value of the material specifications.

Physically, Natural bitumen is Black or Dark Grey coarse stone which will become Brownish after making into Gilsonite Powder.

iran gilsonite

Iranian Gilsonite is mined in three provinces in West of Iran near the Iraqi border which proves the existence of Gilsonite Veins in both countries. Iran Gilsonite quality can vary in a wide range, starting wish Ash content of 3% up to 30% from different mines, while the Sulfur content of Iran Gilsonite is hardly anything below 6%. Therefore Iranian natural bitumen is suitable for most but not all applications of Gilsonite including Oil Drilling, Oil Well Cementing and Bitumen Blending (in some cases foundry) and Not suitable for more delicate application such as Inks, Paints and Stains (Gilsonite Selects 325 required).

Iranian Gilsonite suppliers are mostly very small firms or sometimes single individuals (let’s call them mini-suppliers) who are dealing this special product without technical knowledge and capacity for pre-investment, making Gilsonite Made in Iran to be unstable in supply quantity and quality in many cases. Very few companies, including Zista Gilsonite have set up the proper infrastructure financially and technically to make a proper export of Iranian Gilsonite.

At Zista Gilsonite we have taken the below steps to differentiate ourselves from these mini-suppliers of Iranian Gilsonite:
Making upstream investment in Gilsonite Mining to make sure of having allocation of supply in all conditions
Having Own Storage area to check the Gilsonite quality transported from mine, before packaging
Setting up a research center for checking all necessary aspects of quality before shipping including Ash content, Solubility content (Bitumen Content) and Softening Point
Advanced commercial solutions including complex payment and logistics systems to deliver cargoes inside the destination markets including CFR, DAP & DDP incoterms
 

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Had an interesting discussion with a supposed expert who chided me for paying to have my driveway coated. He says seal coat is for appearance only, doesn't have any long-term protection. He says it also makes steep driveways slicker. Any experts here who really know the scoop on sealing asphalt?

thnx, jack vines

He was right. Driveway sealers, even pro grade, are for beauty only. In 35 years no commercial paver who I've ever done business with even sells it. The whole "renews the oils in the pavement" thing is a snake oil sales pitch. The "oils" are supposed to cure...



Tommy
 
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mslisaj

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He was right. Driveway sealers, even pro grade, are for beauty only. In 35 years no commercial paver who I've ever done business with even sells it. The whole "renews the oils in the pavement" thing is a snake oil sales pitch. The "oils" are supposed to cure...
Tommy

Could not agree more Tommy. Having an asphalt driveway now for about 15 years and watching the changes it's amazing how it shrinks. Also I have had it "sealed" professionally and watched that go away in five years or less. The "SS1" oil that is sprayed is hard and seems to last forever but I can't find anyone that applies that with a hand wand to a small area like a driveway.

Ronaksh did a nice explaination of asphalt oils but that discussion was way beyond my pay grade to understand. The bottom line is concrete is truly the way to go for a driveway. It's beautiful and truly lasts forever unlike asphalt.
 

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Your driveway needs to be sprayed with asphalt emulsion SS1. These types of asphalt (bitumen) are liquified with water. By dispersing bitumen in water and adding an emulsifier, ordinary bitumen turns into a low viscosity liquid that can easily be used in a variety of applications, including coating a driveway.
Be careful to use bitumen emulsion, while it has various grades and numbers.
 

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This is an interesting discussion. I have a 24'x90' asphalt driveway that has a few cracks and is showing wear in spots (i.e. oil drips, loose stones in a high wear spot). I've considered have a pro fill cracks and seal, but I've heard the same as here, some say it prolongs life others say it's purely cosmetic. The alternative is wait until it's bad enough and replace with concrete... But I hope to be long gone from this state before concrete would prove a worthwhile investment. Preserving what I have for reasonable cost would be better for this location. I still have no idea if it's worthwhile.
 

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If you live where in the north where freeze/thaw is an issue, the latex based DIY sealers with do an amazing job of keeping water from filling the cracks/voids and expanding, causing damage.
 

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Your driveway needs to be sprayed with asphalt emulsion SS1. These types of asphalt (bitumen) are liquified with water. By dispersing bitumen in water and adding an emulsifier, ordinary bitumen turns into a low viscosity liquid that can easily be used in a variety of applications, including coating a driveway.
Be careful to use bitumen emulsion, while it has various grades and numbers.

I'm still going back with the asphalt emulsion SS1. Years ago I worked on a patch paving crew. They would saw out a bad section say 6' X 6' and fill it with three lifts of fresh asphalt. After all the finish work we would spray SS1 around the edge of the cut to seal it as asphalt shrinks as it curse and gets older. I'd go back in a year and that seal edge of SS1 was as hard and pretty as when it was laid down and this was in a lane of traffic on a busy street. I used to drive the asphalt truck and we had 100 gallon tanks that we'd put about 80 gallons of SS1 that we'd get from the hot plant and then add about 20 gallons of water to it so it would spray easily. It's an amazing product!

Many years ago I went to the hot plant and I was given about three gallons of it in a bucket to try. I deluted it and just poured it on a section of my driveway and spread it with a squeegee. I spread a little fine sand in it and it's still there today. I have way too much driveway to do by hand and this product is always sprayed so it would take masking to be done around buildings and concrete but this gives beautiful results that last seemingly forever. Now asphalt still shrinks and cracks with age but this is truly a preservative. Probably why no one puts it down is because it's truly a one shot protection.

Today I'm through trying to "coat" my driveway as I'm just very disappointed in asphalt as a product but it is cheaper then concrete. With cracks that form I let them get wide enough to pound in the bags of asphalt you get from home depot that work just fine.

I'm certainly no expert but this is just my experience with having an asphalt driveway for about 15 years or so........
Good luck.
 
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