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pharper

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Just wonder what others are paying. I've been told by more than one person, that drywall is one of those jobs you can usually pay someone else about what it would cost to do yourself.

I've got two exterior walls in my garage that need drywall. There's a total of 330sq/ft. There are about 5 outlets per wall and an exterior door. Just needs to be ready to paint. I was expecting to pay about $400-500 and my first quote was $1075 for two walls. :wtf:

Am I crazy, or the contractor?
 
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That seems a bit high to me but like all contracting jobs prices vary dramatically from region to region so you really need to get several bids.
 

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I've been told by more than one person, that drywall is one of those jobs you can usually pay someone else about what it would cost to do yourself.

not from what i've seen. for such a small area, i'd do it myself; that's ~10 sheets (~$100 worth) of drywall.

definitely get another bid or two if you don't want to do it yourself.
 
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not from what i've seen. for such a small area, i'd do it myself; that's ~10 sheets (~$100 worth) of drywall.

definitely get another bid or two if you don't want to do it yourself.

I might be doing that. Hanging the drywall isn't too difficult. Even mudding isn't too difficult, but that's what I hate.

Any other options? I've considered using SmartSide because it shouldn't be an issue with fire ratings like t1-11 or plywood.
 

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We put an addition on several years ago. We live in the neighborhood I grew up in. One of my school buddies from long ago, lives with his mom. Just down the street. He does drywall for a company here in town.

When we got to the point of drywall he stopped and Estimated about 2.75 a square foot. That was to buy it, haul it, install it and finish it.

That was late summer and about thanksgiving he was down here, that he had been laid off. We had bought the ceiling, at the time, and had two pieces up. He and his cousin done everything else. About 3000 Square foot total.

He split hanging it with his cousin, that was $400, He then finished it for another $350.

I now it was cheap, but he needed the money. Saw him last week at a business remodel. His crew was getting $4 a square foot. That was no materials, but from hanging it to color on it.
 

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Some guys figure higher for smaller jobs because larger orders can be delivered to the job site saving them from sending two guys to go load up and get on site. Sounds like 10 sheets to me, perhaps the reason?
 

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I would keep looking for some more bids. Sounds high to Me, but have not seen what They might be dealing with.

Must also say, that I would have never called anyone, not wired that way, I would be doing My own.

No, the contactor is not crazy, He is there to make money not friends !
 

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$3.25 per ft doesn't seem bad to me. and remember a small job means they have to schedule that with another job or they work for a few hrs then go home while the mud dries for another coat.
 
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Sorry, I don't really think the guy is crazy. He seemed honest and was very nice.

I think you guys might be on to something regarding the small job. I'll do some more research and consider doing the job myself.

Has anyone used LP SmartSide panels indoors?
 

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just paid 1k outside of philly to do a similar job. 2 exterior walls and tape repair on the ceiling and the wall that is shared with the house, both of which already had drywall.

I had one quote of $4,500, lol, c'mon man.

I really do think there's something it being a small job. I don't think the guy who gave me the 4500 quote wanted to do it. They've been here 2 half days so far and have 1 half day left. You need a few of those jobs going at once to keep a crew busy.
 

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That seems OK price, considering 3 guy crew, time to pick up material, with maybe 4 hours to hang Sheetrock and first coat of mud. Then two call backs to do 2nd and 3rd coats, plus sanding and touch up.

But since it's a small job and no hanging rock over head I wouldn't hesitate to do myself.
 

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I would expect from $.95 to $1.50 per sf on a large job, depending on complexity and finish required. For the small job; you're paying for downtime, because there's a lot of wasted time.

I'd figure it as 1 day to deliver and hang, one day for first coat seams, one day for second coat seams, one day third coat seams, and one day to touchup, texture/finish. You might be able to cut one day out of that by using hot mud on the seams.

so 1 day, 2 guys @ $150 +$200 each, + 3 days one guy @ $200 = $950 + materials.

I think he quoted you about right.

He would probably quote you about the same amount for 3 times as much drywall, as it would take about the same number of days.
 

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I just paid $3600 for appx 3400 square feet of walls and ceilings here in New York. That was all inclusive labor and materials. Finish coat ready to paint.
 

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I would expect from $.95 to $1.50 per sf on a large job, depending on complexity and finish required. For the small job; you're paying for downtime, because there's a lot of wasted time.

I'd figure it as 1 day to deliver and hang, one day for first coat seams, one day for second coat seams, one day third coat seams, and one day to touchup, texture/finish. You might be able to cut one day out of that by using hot mud on the seams.

so 1 day, 2 guys @ $150 +$200 each, + 3 days one guy @ $200 = $950 + materials.

I think he quoted you about right.

He would probably quote you about the same amount for 3 times as much

drywall, as it would take about the same number of days.

Dave what is (Hot Mud)?
 

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10 or so sheets? That's nothing. Do it yourself, esp. if just a wall. Go to a drywall wholesaler and get all the material there (cheaper than retail and better quality) and get the sheets delivered. Take the $1K or so they'd charge and go buy some nice tools instead. Don't buy HD drywall...

Bugs me to watch them put up thousands of feet of the stuff in a day or two and then the finishing guy(s) another few days like it was kid stuff but they seem to cost like a thousand $$ per hour.

I've always hired someone but in the past year, I drywalled and finished our 2,000 sq. ft. garage and 1,000 sq. ft. suite above after watching a few youtube vids and discovered it's got a lot to do with using the tools the right way. Wasn't that bad after all - just time consuming and hard on the body. Never could get inside corners right and took forever until I watched a pro on youtube demonstrate how it's done, then it was much easier.
 

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Dave what is (Hot Mud)?

Hot mud is self setting plaster used for joint compound. Instead of just drying out like joint compound normally does, it is cementitious and sets by chemical action.

You can use hot mud for embedding the tape and the first coat over the nails. It will set up in an hour or so, and you can then coat over it with general purpose joint compound for the second coat. It saves you a day or more of dry time on a small job, by allowing you to do the first and second coats in one day. It might take a second day of time of waiting between the coats, because of the increased thickness that needs to dry out. But, it allows you to not have to come back two days in a row.

Hot mud is particularly useful when you have a lot of gaps or holes to patch. It sets up quickly so you don't have to wait days for the thick mud to dry out, or put on several thin coats to avoid cracking from excessive shrinkage.

It's not the cure-all for everything, but is useful in some situations.
 

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Hot mud is self setting plaster used for joint compound. Instead of just drying out like joint compound normally does, it is cementitious and sets by chemical action.

You can use hot mud for embedding the tape and the first coat over the nails. It will set up in an hour or so, and you can then coat over it with general purpose joint compound for the second coat. It saves you a day or more of dry time on a small job, by allowing you to do the first and second coats in one day. It might take a second day of time of waiting between the coats, because of the increased thickness that needs to dry out. But, it allows you to not have to come back two days in a row.

Hot mud is particularly useful when you have a lot of gaps or holes to patch. It sets up quickly so you don't have to wait days for the thick mud to dry out, or put on several thin coats to avoid cracking from excessive shrinkage.

It's not the cure-all for everything, but is useful in some situations.

Is hot mud a brand or a product description? What should one look for if one wanted to purchase some?
 

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You can't sand durabond.

First coat heavy fill - Sheetrock 90. Like corner bead, etc,
The regular box stuff thinned slightly will be the best for finishing

My garage is all just the regular stuff, good bond for taping and I didnt have any heavy filling.
 

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in 2010 when I built my little shop, it took 32 sheets and the man supplied the drywall and finished it for 1100.00. I wasn't about to fool with it for that price.
Good luck, Stafford
 

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Well this had been absolutely no help for the OP I appreciate the info on the Durabond.
Thanks guys and sorry for the thread hijack.
 

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If you want fast setting, one can get 20 min.or less durabond. it is ready for a recoat in less than an hour. You can get an easy sand which can be sanded. You need to be a good finisher and move fast if you use this stuff though. I have done jobs in occupied spaces that framing was started in the morning, hang drywall, fast set mud, and paint before you leave for the evening.
 
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Looks like I'll be doing this myself. Thanks a lot for the advice guys!

Would purchasing a drywall drill be worth the investment?
 

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For that small of a job, if i didn't think I'd use it again, I'd just use a cordless drill, or even a variable speed corded 3/8" drill. I did a couple of houses with a 3/8" drill before I could afford to buy a screw gun, and cordless drills were pretty uncommon. It's hard on the drill, but they can be had for $10 or $15 at yard sales pretty readily. Just watch the work as you go, and don't oversink the screws or leave them proud. Just below the adjacent surface, so you can mud over them readily.

Buy 3 drywall knives, and a surfplane for the job. I'd buy a corner knife also, for inside corners, although you can get by without one at the cost of about an hour of labor per corner. Use the surfplane to bevel edges or clean up the edge when you break the sheets for a joint. Use a 3 inch knife to embed the tape and fill the joints. What you want to do with the embedding coat is just get the tape thoroughly adhered and covered. Try to just go over the tape once with one long stroke; don't go back and try to smooth it more. The more you try to smooth it, the more irregularities you'll put into the mud.

After the mud is dry, use the 3 inch knife scraping at a very low angle to knock off the high spots and "boogers" that stick out from the surface. Then, go over the seams with a good generous coat of mud and the 5 or 6 inch knife. This knife will ride on the surface of the sheetrock adjacent to the seam, and alllow you to fill the seam essentially flush with the adjacent sheetrock. Again, one long stroke, don't go over it multiple times. It will just get more irregular the more times you go over it. What you are doing is sequentially getting it smoother and smoother. Use the knife to coat all screw holes now. (you can do it with the 3 inch knife, but it's less flexible, and doesn't work as well).

Again, let it dry and scrape off the irregularities. It is now time to use a 10 or 12 inch knife to smooth out the joints and fill the irregularities. If you need to, do a coat to fill irregularities and places that didn't come out quite right. Let it dry if you do, before going to final coat.

For the final coat, use thinner finish mud and the 10 or 12 inch knife. Use long, even strokes to put on the finish with as little chatter as possible. Use a generous coat of mud to float out the irregularities and taper to the edges of the sheetrock paper outside the previous joint coverage. If you hold the drywall knife on a flat surface, you will find that it is cupped one way. Orient the cup towards the sheet, so the final surface is bulged slightly. That will account for shrinkage, and tapers the edges to look best.

After this is all done, scrape off irregularities if needed, or sand if you have to. Touch up gouges and irregularities with more finish plaster.

I like to put on a light splatter of orange peel; it seems to make the surface more resistant to scratching and gouging, and covers up a little bit of irregularities in the taping of the joints if you're not highly skilled. If you have the ability to borrow or rent a splatter gun, it's easy to do.

Good Luck!
 

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A good friend of mine owns a drywall finishing company. Small jobs are a pita according to him and he bids them accordingly.

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For that small of a job, if i didn't think I'd use it again, I'd just use a cordless drill, or even a variable speed corded 3/8" drill. I did a couple of houses with a 3/8" drill before I could afford to buy a screw gun, and cordless drills were pretty uncommon. It's hard on the drill, but they can be had for $10 or $15 at yard sales pretty readily. Just watch the work as you go, and don't oversink the screws or leave them proud. Just below the adjacent surface, so you can mud over them readily.

Buy 3 drywall knives, and a surfplane for the job. I'd buy a corner knife also, for inside corners, although you can get by without one at the cost of about an hour of labor per corner. Use the surfplane to bevel edges or clean up the edge when you break the sheets for a joint. Use a 3 inch knife to embed the tape and fill the joints. What you want to do with the embedding coat is just get the tape thoroughly adhered and covered. Try to just go over the tape once with one long stroke; don't go back and try to smooth it more. The more you try to smooth it, the more irregularities you'll put into the mud.

After the mud is dry, use the 3 inch knife scraping at a very low angle to knock off the high spots and "boogers" that stick out from the surface. Then, go over the seams with a good generous coat of mud and the 5 or 6 inch knife. This knife will ride on the surface of the sheetrock adjacent to the seam, and alllow you to fill the seam essentially flush with the adjacent sheetrock. Again, one long stroke, don't go over it multiple times. It will just get more irregular the more times you go over it. What you are doing is sequentially getting it smoother and smoother. Use the knife to coat all screw holes now. (you can do it with the 3 inch knife, but it's less flexible, and doesn't work as well).

Again, let it dry and scrape off the irregularities. It is now time to use a 10 or 12 inch knife to smooth out the joints and fill the irregularities. If you need to, do a coat to fill irregularities and places that didn't come out quite right. Let it dry if you do, before going to final coat.

For the final coat, use thinner finish mud and the 10 or 12 inch knife. Use long, even strokes to put on the finish with as little chatter as possible. Use a generous coat of mud to float out the irregularities and taper to the edges of the sheetrock paper outside the previous joint coverage. If you hold the drywall knife on a flat surface, you will find that it is cupped one way. Orient the cup towards the sheet, so the final surface is bulged slightly. That will account for shrinkage, and tapers the edges to look best.

After this is all done, scrape off irregularities if needed, or sand if you have to. Touch up gouges and irregularities with more finish plaster.

I like to put on a light splatter of orange peel; it seems to make the surface more resistant to scratching and gouging, and covers up a little bit of irregularities in the taping of the joints if you're not highly skilled. If you have the ability to borrow or rent a splatter gun, it's easy to do.

Good Luck!

Very good advice! Thanks a lot.

How should I orient the drywall around my side door? I'm assuming that making L's and putting the seem towards the center of the door would be better than at either side. I would guess that repeated opening/closing of the door could cause a seam at the side to crack.
 

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I'm currently putting up drywall in my garage. because it's a garage I'm not going to worry about mud and tape. it's getting painted as is. One benefit I see is I will have no problem knowing where to drill for future mounting points. find the screw heads and go.
 

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Very good advice! Thanks a lot.

How should I orient the drywall around my side door? I'm assuming that making L's and putting the seem towards the center of the door would be better than at either side. I would guess that repeated opening/closing of the door could cause a seam at the side to crack.

The best way is to cut a sheet so that the door is centered in the sheet, and you have solid pieces on each side reaching to a stud or two away. That way, you don't have a joint where the flexing and banging of the door will crack it.

If that won't work for some reason, it will be better in the middle of the door than aligned with one side.
 
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I had a few quick questions before I get started:

Should I caulk between the sill plate and the concrete floor?
If so, what kind of caulk would be best?
Should I install to drywall a half-inch or so above the floor to prevent moisture wicking?

Thanks.
 

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I would hang it myself and finish it, but if you aren't comfortable doing mud work, pay someone to do that part of the job. Something that no one has mentioned- use a LOT of construction adhesive- don't skimp, full continuous beads- glue that sheetrock to the studs and you won't ever have to worry about fixing nail pops.
 

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I would hang it myself and finish it, but if you aren't comfortable doing mud work, pay someone to do that part of the job. Something that no one has mentioned- use a LOT of construction adhesive- don't skimp, full continuous beads- glue that sheetrock to the studs and you won't ever have to worry about fixing nail pops.

I always wondered about adhesive, but here, on exterior walls a 6 mil vapour barrier is required. I'd use adhesive on interior stuff in a minute and screws to code. When I built my shop, I had planned to do all the work but after the drywall was delivered, I realized that it was more than I should attempt. I hired the boarding out, and 3 guys did the 6000 sq ft, some rooms, some 16' walls and ceiling in a 1 1/2 days for $2100. When they finished just after lunch the second day, they were going to another job for a regular customer. I would have been going home or the chiropractor... I spent the winter taping and finishing and am happy with the results, now 8 yrs later. I'd never board anything again.
 

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Hanging. boarding and taping/finishing... Wallboard/drywall/sheetrock/gyproc depending where you are I guess. Any of the guys in Britain, New Zealand, Australia or Europe likey have a different description. Its what makes this forum so interesting and diverse.
 

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I'd find a person who does small jobs on the side ... Call the big guys and when they say too small ask for recommendations.
 

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My dad and I just dry walled 50 sheets for walls and vaulted ceiling of my 1200sq ft garage. $700 for drywall.
Bought a lift on eBay used it the sold it for $20 less. It was work but worth it.
 

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I had them do a 13 x 13 office with a bathroom in the corner for $1400. My other quote was for $2600. Get lots of quotes. I said I'd never do drywall anymore. It's mess, dusty, and I usually need to sand. I really hate sanding drywall. I'll hire it out for anything over 1 sheet. They come in and knock out whatever in a couple days. I like www.thumbtack.com for getting quotes.
 

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Try it yourself-----then it won't seem too 'expensive'! That quote sounds reasonable to me---it will be at least three days in order to allow mud to dry between the 3 coats. It's a messy, tedious job that takes skill to do right. Especially for a taper that has to try to cover up all the hanger's sloppy work and big gaps, bad joints, etc. Don't forget you will be putting 3 coats (more possibly for a bad hanging job) of mud and sanding them all, cutting out ripped paper facing and mudding that, etc.

I didn't read in your post how big the walls are and how many outlets need to be cut out, etc. Unless you are a skilled taper and you enjoy messy, tedious, tiring work, and can live with a less than nice-looking job, hire a pro. I bid my small taping jobs at $35.00/hour, but I'm self-employed, so I have all the other costs of doing business taken out of that.
 
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