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Dual 80 Pros & Cons

ngk22r

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I'd like to know other peoples veiws on the Dual 80 Snap-on ratchets of all drive size. And the "USA" stamp missing is not one of them since there are at least 20 threads that talk about where the ratchet is made. Just the hard cold facts about how they perform, how they are built, which ratchet does best for what job and where, which one was just a waste to make, etc..

(I have alot of the dual 80's myself)
 
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I honestly don't have any cons in my book. I would like to see a button release because sockets are hard to take off the ratchet with greasy hands. I think the gear action of the dual 80s is world class.
 

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Pros,well built, nice action would like to have a stubby 3/8 for tight work with the great action.Can't comment on strength but I have no reason not to be cofident in Snap-On ratchets after using them since the early 70's.

Con's. Overpriced and of course the obvious . price so high used is the way to buy.
 

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I use a 1/4", 3/8" daily..... I think they are great ratchets; that being said, I have a couple of things I don't like! These seem to be the criticisms I hear around here and some of my own sense of things that could be improved about the design.

1. the edges of the ratchet, are very square and sharp... most likely because of the CAD/CNC design and production process. I would prefer a little more "organic" feel to them and not so dramatically square edges; if you look at previous designs , they seem more human friendly and not so starkly geometric. When handling the head of these ratchets; I can feel a very square edge in my hand. The shapes from the 50's really were beautiful with a human and organic flow to them! They seem to have lost some of the "soul" of the earlier ratchets.... heck, they were designed on drafting table by hand, hand crafted; not by CAD or CNC! :)

2. The lever.... I think it is too small, wimpy, doesn't stick out enough to be as easily switched as it should be; I prefer the 900 series lever, as a example.

3. There have been complaints about the size of the head; this seems to be a outgrowth of the 80/72 tooth gear design (bigger head, to enclose a bigger gear).... the 800 series heads are quite a bit smaller in comparison.

4. ratchet mechanism failure; some on this board have complained about continual failure of the ratchet mechanism, some saying they prefer the 900 (36 tooth) ratchet in this regard. The failures, seem to be mentioned in the 1/2", 3/8" size in heavy duty applications; such as heavy line work. I haven't had any fail but I don't work on heavy equipment.... I'm also not as strong as many of these guys around here! I tend to up a drive size and handle length on my ratchets; depending on the applications, and I have enough ratchets to fit most, if not all situations I run into. All ratchets have a failure point; if the tool can't do what you want it to do... you probably need a different tool or approach what your doing in a different way!

5. Some feel the chrome is not as good; well, its because they are using a different chrome process and from what I can tell, it cannot be the same as previous processes. The new trivalent and nickle chrome plating; just can't seem to replicate the old hexavalent process fully. The change to trivalent; is a combination of; EPA, cost, and production issues... that are a demand here in the first world, while countries like China don't need to concern themselves with! More info about the processes, here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78698&highlight=ratchet&showall=1

Most of what I am saying is probably nitpicking and in the realm of "tool art criticism"; many here will probably say... "its just a tool, use it!"; but.... if we weren't tool aficionados (tool freaks) we wouldn't have joined this site and spend money, time. effort etc. on tools such as Snap-On, would we? :)
Bottom line; I like them and want to get more! :) But I also appreciate the earlier designs; for their shape, design, feel and chrome quality!
 
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The ratchets are perfect in every way except for the fact that they have slightly thicker heads when compared to other truck brands. This is coming from someone who has almost every all-chrome dual80 snappy makes.
 

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To qualify my remarks, I submit my list of Dual80's that I own:

T72 (2)
TL72
TF72
TX72
F80
FLF80 (2)
FL80
FBF80
FX80
FHBF80
FHLF80
FK80
FKF80

Pros IMO:

Detent ball (I hate quick release ratchets)
Excellent fit and finish
Excellent action and feel with little to no slop
A handle shape that works for me
Very good resale value (should the need arise)
The ratchet mechanism "seems" to get smoother the more it's used.
Snap-on's excellent chrome that doesn't peel.

Con's IMO:

While somewhat thin, at least thinner than SK's, the heads are very wide when compared to other brands or even previous offerings from Snap-on. When I first saw one, I imediately thought "giant fat Proto head" but the truth is, they're really not even that big.

I'm Snap-on through and through, but if they were junk, or even just OK, I would not own nearly so many.

:beer:
 

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i just got 2 in that promotional set.

by far the best ratchet you can buy.

as mentioned above, the price is a bit higher then the old 30 teeth, substantially more for that matter.

i remember like 6-7 years ago i wanted a 3/8 drive long handle ratchet for christmas and it was like $68 then, now its like $92.

the only con i have is that it does not say USA and does not say snap on on the handle in the knurling ribs as well as the price hike.
 

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I think they are over priced for what you get and the head is a little too big. Also I don't like the locking mechanism on the FX80. It is hard to operate and you can't use the ratchet as a regular flex head as you can with the Matco, Armstrong, Etc. The lacking "Made in USA" stamp is why I own 1 Dual 80 and 10 Matco 88 tooth ratchets.
 

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one other con not mentioned is the selector that isnt recessed. This design in particular [obviously not unique to SO] is why i prefer round heads since i'll often move my hand up to the head of the ratchet to rotate it faster, with most pear heads i'll catch that selector in the process. This is why i'm considering the Craftsman Premium Grades as they've corrected this by giving them a recessed selector.
 

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I don't care for the T72 series (1/4 drive). I have bvroken the selector lever merely by rotating it with my thumb. I feel the head is too thick and that the ratcheting action binds. It isn't nearly as smooth as their 3/8 and 1/2 drive versions. I think it's a solid design in 3/8 and 1/2 inch drives but, ***** in 1/4 drive but, those are my experiences. your results may vary.
One specific Pro is the FHF80 is the only fine tooth (>60 teeth) 3/8 drive flex head ratchet measuring in at 9 9/16 inches overall which is a great length for most tasks.
 
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Pro's..

Great Feel from Head to toe.
Company stands behind there products.. No questions asked.
Is a renewable Tool as far as Gut replacement.
Local Dealers with big White trucks that come to you.
Second to None, Resale ability


Con's

Price
Globalization Movement by there Manufacturer.
 

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The selector lever on the Craftsman Premium ratchet isn't recessed as much as it is flatter and thinner.

beg to differ there, it isnt just the switch, its recessed and pretty much flush with the housing.

Compared to Good 'Ol...

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Thinner than a Dual 80...
 

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mrshaun, good to hear! There are people that have broken their dual 80s; to the point of frustration.... whatever the case for the continual breakage, its good to hear in general these are stronger ratchets! I'm sure you would be seeing come backs allot; if there were specific high failure weaknesses, in the design...
Have you had specific customers that have broken certain dual 80s consistently? Anecdotal evidence from people on this site seem to be related to long handle 3/8" and 1/2" ratchets.... any info?
 

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i have them in all configurations,long,short,flex, and imho they are perfect,no complaints.although i agree that it can be tough to get the sockets off with greasy hands i'll take that anyday compared to sockets falling off and getting lost or accidently hitting a quick release button and dropping one in a bad spot.i love them and will never buy anything else,not even for my home shop.
 
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beg to differ there, it isnt just the switch, its recessed and pretty much flush with the housing.

That picture from the Armstrong rep seems misleading to me. Mine are at work so, I can't take any closer pictures but, here's a picture side by side 3/8 and 1/4 drives with a thin profile series.
 

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ngk22r

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Well I guess I will chime in now...

Pros:
-Smooth action out of the box.
-Runs even smoother over time and still no back lash
-Very high quality over other ratchets on the market, imo
-Adapted the old MAC design with the screws going through the plate and not the face
-Chrome is very smooth to the touch (which is a con as well if its a standard handle/ slipping)
-Dual pawl works better than the Danaher system (though cannot compare it to the new premium craftsman as I have not used one)

Cons:
- The new logo not as nice as the previous logo on the face (only on 1/4 & 1/2)
- The size of the head looks abnormal but really isnt
- Chrome very smooth which is nice, but add oil on hand and slips out easier


And as a person who has/had cornwell, matco, craftsman, mac, and snap-on, I have to say that snap-on still wins in the ratchet war. I still use my mac mr5k to get the dirty jobs done, but the elegance of the dual 80 on snap on is like driving a rolls royce and then hoping into an old vw kubelwagen.
 

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1. the edges of the ratchet, are very square and sharp... most likely because of the CAD/CNC design and production process. I would prefer a little more "organic" feel to them and not so dramatically square edges; if you look at previous designs , they seem more human friendly and not so starkly geometric. When handling the head of these ratchets; I can feel a very square edge in my hand. The shapes from the 50's really were beautiful with a human and organic flow to them! They seem to have lost some of the "soul" of the earlier ratchets.... heck, they were designed on drafting table by hand, hand crafted; not by CAD or CNC! :)

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Bravo!!!!!! I think they feel generic. I miss that artful flow more than then USA stamp. It now feels like everyone elses ratchet. It as if the more others tried to copy Snap-On the more Snap-On met them in the middle.
 

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Nice ratchets, I only have a TK72, F80 and the long handle version of the F80 (FL80?). Really nice ratchets however I like the Matco/Armstrong and Gear Wrench 60/88T a bit more due to ease of repair and interchangeability.

My next purchases are most definitely a TX72 and a FX80 to see what they are all about. I am a huge fan of locking flex head rats.
 

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I have a few and they are usually the ones I grab first. Yeah it's $45 for a 3/8" ratchet, but I think they are worth it.
 

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mrholeshot, glad we are on the same page; allot of times, something is lost in this high tech world of ours..... the "soul" of industrial designed things, seemed to come from a sense of the "human touch" of the designers of a tool! Thats why I find the early Plomb tools to be so beautiful; they have the Art Deco influence to them.... a attempt to bring design, beauty to a utilitarian, thing; like a ratchet! :) I'm not the only one out there who has a sense of "feel" to objects, like tools! Thanks for the response! :)
 

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These are the best ratchets I have ever owned/used. I'm not sure if that says much, since I was using craftsman raised panels up until mid summer this year when I switched over to the craftsman thin profiles. The difference there was incredible, and I feel the same step up with my new snap on f80s.
 

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I have several of the dual 80s and like them with no complaints.
The China manufacturing plant that Snappy uses for their production does a really good job at maintaining high quality.
 

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I thought SO didn't make a 80 tooth 1/4...

Just got a flex head comfort grip 3/8 dual 80 on thurs. lol
Had to get a raffle ticket for a toolbox.
 

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I thought SO didn't make a 80 tooth 1/4...

Just got a flex head comfort grip 3/8 dual 80 on thurs. lol
Had to get a raffle ticket for a toolbox.

They dont but they call it "Dual 80" technology, Its essentially only 72tooth.
 

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I have only one dual 80 and other than the price being up there a bit I cant think of what any cons would be

bob
 

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I have several Dual 80 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" ratchets, all used on a daily basis. I'm often working in VERY tight situations where the 72 tooth actually saves my ***. I have never broken one of them yet either (had them since they've came out).

I did have the pivot screw back out on my flexhead 3/8" ratchet before Snap-on started putting loctite on that screw, but obviously that was a simple fix.

No complaints what-so-ever from them, but I would like some classic hard handled one's too.
 

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I am in the aviation industry and 95% of the time, my 1/4" dual 80 is my go to ratchet. With it's capability to withstand 90 ft lbs of torque, and ease is limited access locations, this ratchet works like a charm.

I first bought a T860 round head, and it was nice. The gears are smooth, but I always ended up with the same problem. The screw that holds the gears, and selector together would get loose, and I would have no gear selection or engagement. This was because when I was putting some weight on to the ratchet, i would put my thumb over the screw. This would cause the screw to loosen. I was getting sick and tired of trying to find a torx bit for the ratchet and readjusting it every time. Too much loss in production, due to it. So I went of the dual 80.

The only downside to the dual 80, is that it's a bit bigger in size compared to the other SO ratchets. That's why I use my T860 as a secondary.
 

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I don't see the con's except not stamped USA.

I have used the small 3/8 dr.(in 1/4 body) FCF72 ratchet to bust bolts which were torqued to 82 ftlbs. that's plenty strong.
 
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ngk22r

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Well tomorrow I will be taking apart my blue point reverse ratcheting wrench to compare the drive mechanism to the dual 80... On a side note, the blue point ratcheting wrench was made before the dual 80 came out.
 
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