Dual 80 Ratcheting Wrench - ??
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Loscaldazar
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Well, the picture you posted has them stamped as USA, and I believe the dual 80 ratcheting wrenches have never been stamped USA before (and no, I'm not confusing them with the dual 80 1/2, 3/8, 1/4 drive ratchets). These ratcheting wrenches looks bulkier too than the last generation.
Snap On ratcheting wrenches have one of the largest box ends of any ratcheting wrenches. The bluepoints/Williams (same mechanism/ratcheting design) are even worse than the Snap On ones, but the SO are still bulkier than many others.
Also lol @ the "stronger than any other ratcheting combination wrench." I highly doubt they are stronger than the x-frames.
Snap On ratcheting wrenches have one of the largest box ends of any ratcheting wrenches. The bluepoints/Williams (same mechanism/ratcheting design) are even worse than the Snap On ones, but the SO are still bulkier than many others.
Also lol @ the "stronger than any other ratcheting combination wrench." I highly doubt they are stronger than the x-frames.
While SO wrenches/ratchets may have many great attributes, small ratchet heads has never been one.
Just a couple points on why this was made as a new post
1) The true-dual 80 ratchet in particular has a larger head design, that is the whole point of the thread; so the observation it is larger is obviously true but the question is why bother unless its better. It was clearly re-designed and stamped USA, neither of which seem to be a cost-cutting or corner-cutting move.
2) The actual (tested) strength of the dual 80 is noticebly stronger other designs; i'm not sure anything is stronger...and most ratcheting wrenches including snap on are pretty fragile, so the idea of a very strong wrench design is what is acatually 'NEW', assuming that it is true.
So to recap, the question here is are those new wrenches actual dual 80 designs or not( and not lame attempt like 72T earlier models); and if they are true dual 80, justg how strong are they? ie, are they strong as regular dual 80 ratchets...which are generally stronger than hing-joint breaker bars?
The other commet about size, esp with the picture posted, is those are LARGE wrenches, 21-24mm, they are not your standard 13mm or 1/2 inch size that most people use for foto-Op shots. The SAE sizes are 13/16 to 1 inch, again similar but large sizes not baby sized at all.
OK. That is it. Anyone with some insights pls chime in would be great to see something new that makes these more capable. If they are just same-o same-o obviusly there is no news.
Lastly the guy talking about SK, those are 100 tooth. I'm not aware of a strong 100 tooth ratchet design out there yet, eg the GW 120xp most people find fragile feeling. Fragile feeling is how I would describe most 72t ratcheting wrenches as well.
1) The true-dual 80 ratchet in particular has a larger head design, that is the whole point of the thread; so the observation it is larger is obviously true but the question is why bother unless its better. It was clearly re-designed and stamped USA, neither of which seem to be a cost-cutting or corner-cutting move.
2) The actual (tested) strength of the dual 80 is noticebly stronger other designs; i'm not sure anything is stronger...and most ratcheting wrenches including snap on are pretty fragile, so the idea of a very strong wrench design is what is acatually 'NEW', assuming that it is true.
So to recap, the question here is are those new wrenches actual dual 80 designs or not( and not lame attempt like 72T earlier models); and if they are true dual 80, justg how strong are they? ie, are they strong as regular dual 80 ratchets...which are generally stronger than hing-joint breaker bars?
The other commet about size, esp with the picture posted, is those are LARGE wrenches, 21-24mm, they are not your standard 13mm or 1/2 inch size that most people use for foto-Op shots. The SAE sizes are 13/16 to 1 inch, again similar but large sizes not baby sized at all.
OK. That is it. Anyone with some insights pls chime in would be great to see something new that makes these more capable. If they are just same-o same-o obviusly there is no news.
Lastly the guy talking about SK, those are 100 tooth. I'm not aware of a strong 100 tooth ratchet design out there yet, eg the GW 120xp most people find fragile feeling. Fragile feeling is how I would describe most 72t ratcheting wrenches as well.
derosa
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No one on here has mentioned an SK breaking yet, you seem dismissive of something that may be stronger but hasn't been successfully tested to destruction yet and is a legitimate competitor to the SO duel 80s.
buckwheat_la
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Anyone seen a gearwrench 120xp ratcheting wrench?
yup. Spline drive too
I haven't used the snap on ratcheting wrenches. I've got Proto USA ones (I've had 2 of those seize up on me now), I have gear wrench (never had an issue), and I have some new SK X Frames that haven't seen much use (but no issues so far).
Only one I'd really say I've not been impressed with are the Protos. USA made, premium priced, and both failures were in low torque situations with the 12mm size. Warranty isn't bad, but its not the easiest warranty process ever either.
Only one I'd really say I've not been impressed with are the Protos. USA made, premium priced, and both failures were in low torque situations with the 12mm size. Warranty isn't bad, but its not the easiest warranty process ever either.
Yeah, that's why I was curious but looks like the zero offset has been discontinued in normal sizes. Catalog online now only has FD+ (which have reverse lever), then these large zero offsets. First gen zero offset now looks discontinued in regular 10-19 sizes, and was not particularly strong. I was hoping somebady found a way to make these less fragile.
Ihe SK stuff is fine but there is not history that shows SK making strong ratchets, so until there is testing its all just hype. Its a new design and happy to remain open minded. But the dual 80 is 10 years in market and well battle tested (not to mention copied etc) so we know it works).
Minaturizaion has been the hard part with the design, even the t-72 not everybody likes as much.
Askme42
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But there is a video of the sk snapping a grade 8 bolt.
The open end on FD+ will do that
Askme42
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Its just a product refresh. The reversible and extra long zero degree ratcheting wrenches have been using dual 80 designs since they came out. Even the Blue-Point reversible are dual 80 designs.
Would of been nicer if they made these FD+ in my opinion to distinguish them a little. They're already poor sellers because of the price.
Would of been nicer if they made these FD+ in my opinion to distinguish them a little. They're already poor sellers because of the price.
Ah, ok makes sense. I was hoping maybe they made some improvements. I think the existing ones are fairly well known quantities. We as end users are always looking for thinner and stronger, even if basically happy with whatever we are using today.
I've yet to break a basic combo ratcheting wrench. If you want the slimmest stick to Kabo/Matco. Gearwrench 120xp are also noticeably slimmer than their 72 tooth counterparts and are quite affordable (check ebay). The latter have revised patents specifically targeted toward shrinking the box end at least 3 or 4 times since they brought wrenches to the market. They have yet to update their older products with the slimmer box ends though, probably because they're using them to be extremely price competitive with the 20 piece sets for $50 or what have you.
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I'm sure the quality and strength is there… but that box-end is HUGE. The 6 mm posted, how is that even practical? I'm not going to directly compare them to my older GW and newer Dewalt reversibles… but their heads are MUCH slimmer and less bulky. Exactly what I need when working in tight spaces.
Confirmed new updated series is released, OEXR to be replaced with OXR series zero offset, here is a pic of the standard sizes from July flyer. Claim is 20pc stronger and alot more durable/longer cycle life of ratchet mechanism.
https://store.snapon.com/Non-Catalog-Items-7PC-SAE-RATCHETING-WRNCH-SET-P9801882.aspx
https://store.snapon.com/Non-Catalog-Items-7PC-SAE-RATCHETING-WRNCH-SET-P9801882.aspx
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