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redsky49

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Duct leakage has been mentioned by other posters in separate threads, and I think that some further discussion may be helpful.

Most residential systems utilize a fabricated sheetmetal duct system. While this is typically fabricated by a dedicated sheetmetal contractor, many installing HVAC contractors will frequently bend their own ductwork.

Ducts typically leak at two locations: the longitudinal seam for each duct section, and the joint where two duct sections are joined together.

As a rule, unless the Contractor is required to the contrary, the standard of residential duct sealing is as determined by the sheet metal standards published by SMACNA, the sheetmetal Contractor's organization. This establishes that ductwork of a residential nature (1" pressure class) will only be sealed at the joints - none of the seams will be sealed. Since most installers do not have supply air measuring devices, or choose not to use them, the sealing performance standard is 'no leakage discernable to the senses'. That is, you should not be able to hear or feel any air leakage as you examine the operating duct system. As to the percentage of air that may be "lost" as a result of this level of duct sealing, anywhere from 10-30% would be typical.

In a higher performing system, better seam and joint designs would be employed, and both seams and joints would be sealed, as well as all penetrations of the duct. A well sealed system, as evidenced by testing, would display less than 10% leakage. 3-5% confirmed leakage would indicate a very conscientious contractor employing the best materials and methods.

How does this apply to the typical homeowner? Excessive leakage will definitely impact the performance of your HVAC system - especially at peak load periods. Rooms at the end of long duct runs will be especially vulnerable to this.

So what is a properly sealed duct? Well, in most cases it is not sealed with duct tape, particularly the cloth backed type. The adhesives used in these materials are not permanent and frequently will fail in short order. Contractors use these materials since they are quick (read cheap) for the installer, and require little expertise to install.

If duct tape is not the answer, what is? The current standard is a putty like sealant such as Hardcast or Foster's Fostex. These are typically oil based though some manufacturers are providing water based low odor products. This is as permanent, and as effective, as the industry can currently provide. However this product takes time to apply and even more time for the product to properly dry.

Okay, you have gone the extra mile and applied a high quality duct installation. How do you know that you have gotten your money's worth? You must have the system "balanced". This is the term for the testing and adjusting of your system. The total supply air will be measured at the furnace or air handler. This number will then be compared to the measured air supply at all the air outlets (registers or grilles). If you have lost 10% or less of supply air, you have a good installation. If you have higher losses, more effort will be required. If you have sealed the ductwork, and leakage is still evident, look at the flexible duct connector(s) at the connections to the furnace. These frequently are a source of leakage. Another area of attention is the filter holder. Also check the plenum at the top (usually) of the unit where the cooling coil is located.

Even in systems where there are no complaints over room temperatures inside the house, substantial money can be saved by solving this leakage, just as you will improve operating costs by sealing the doors and windows of your home from the outside.

Hope this was helpful.

As always, offered only as opinion
 
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rickairmedic

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Red nice writeup . I currenty use duct butter and foil tape to seal ductwork on new installations on every joint and seam in the duct system and also only personally fabricate the supply plenum at the beginning of the supply air system all other duct is purchased factory made . I also insulate all ducts on new system installs and many retrofit instalations as this insures the air in the ducts maintains temperatures all the way to the vents. I offer insulation as an option in fully sealed basements but I require it in attic and crawlspace instalations as both these areas are subject to outside air temperatures and can effect the performance of the system . I do not use cloth based duct tape anywhere in an installation as although the name of the tape would imply it is for ductwork reality is it is not actually a proper sealer for this application . I agree cloth tape is substandard for this application and the glues in the tape will fail especially in the heating season when the heat from the ducts will cause the glue to soften and fail. I will also add most homeowners can buy foil based tape at most home improvement stores ( Homie Desperate , Lowes ) and seal up their ductwork fairly well themselves . When using this tape you want to use a flexable squeegy such as a bondo card to press down the tape and insure it has a good bond and also clean the areas they paln to use the tape on well before applying the tape as it will not stick well to dust .



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Scotto

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I sealed all the duct work in my basement with this mastic type sealer. I got it at Lowes and it has fiberglass fibers in it to make it stronger. I'll find out exactly what it is.

Anyways, it went on pretty well. I used a combination of my fingers, a putty knife, and an old paint brush.

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Also, duct tape is awful for heated ducts. In my 19 yr old house there was duct tape literally hanging off the ducting and doing nothing. If you want to use tape then use foil tape.
 

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What is involved in the "balancing" of the ducts? Can the home owner do it, or call in the pros?
 

rickairmedic

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Jag and Mag if you have zoned systems you are better off having a pro come in if you just have a single system its a little easier to balance yourself. On a single system what I tell most customers to do is to figure out where their furnace is in their house and work from there . The vents closest to the furnace you want more closed and the further away from the furnace the more open you want the vents . I usually close off the 4 vents closest to the furnace 75% and then the furthest vents from the furnace are wide open . The vents in between you want somewhere between the 2 most homes have every vent in the house wiiide open which creates a problem as the first 4 vnts closest to the furnace let out 80% of the air and that leaves little air for the vents furthest away . I hope most of that makes sense.

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Thanks Rick. Didn't mean to hijack thread, but the AC is gonna half to be turned on soon, and I remembered the problem we had last year (new home) that the living room was not nearly as cool as the rest of the house. Naturally, it is farthest from the unit, west side of house, 2 and a half walls ext. with windows, vaulted ceiling, not ideal, I know. Upon looking at the ducts in the attic, feeding that room is a 10 from the unit, splits into an 8 and 6 and two registers in the room. Then I noticed the same sizes feeding the master, half the sqft, low ceiling and twice as close to the unit:wtf:
So I closed off the vents in the master (almost all the way) then I could hear them whistling. Should the ducts be sized up to the living, or maybe run another one, and install more registers? Ideas? Thanks

Again, sorry for the hijack, but the post about the ducts and balancing not to mention we hit 90* yesterday and today kinda got me thinking!:headscrat
 
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rickairmedic

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Mag I take it your ducts are in the ceiling which also means your vents are in the ceiling . I would reopen the vent in the master just till it quits whistling and try closing down some other vents in that end of the house. I dont know how much trouble it would be but you could always pull another duct over to the living room . You can buy flex duct at the home stores along with the vent boots and registers aaand the collar you would attatch to the main trunk. Rooms with vaulted ceilings are even harder to deal with than others due to the fact theres not enough room in the ceiling for adaquate insulation . One other thing you might try would be to turn the blower on the furnace to on on the thermostat and let it run all the time ( if you can handle the noise ) . This will keep the air circulating in the house and keep the house at a more stable temp throughout the house.


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I agree with Rick except I do not recommend leaving the blower on during the A/C months because all the moisture that has been removed, some is still sitting in the coils drain pan and the blower will "throw" some of that humidity back into the house. which can be counterproductive Heat mode blower on is OK
 

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PG&E and Edison both have tool lending libraries where you can borrow the tool for free.
the duct blaster is about $2000 and the air flow hood is not cheap either.


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Should the ducts be sized up to the living, or maybe run another one, and install more registers? Ideas? Thanks

you can have dampers installed at the branches coming off of the main plenum. These would reduce the air coming into the master and you would not have the noise.

they look just like thisDamper

They do have to be installed into hard pipe, so usually a little nub a few inches long coming off of the plenum is sufficient.
 

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What is the silver type of caulk or sealant used in HVAC systems? Where can I get it? HD doesn't carry it.

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