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Dumb question? Gloves vs. no gloves

pgray007

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I'm a largely self-taught general carpenter, wood worker, electrician, plumber, etc. (yes, jack of all trades master of... some? maybe?)

In any event, when I started out I'd almost always wear some form of work glove when working with wood. Then a competent person I know admonished me that you should never wear gloves while using a power tool since the glove can get caught in the tool and pull your whole hand in versus just taking a "bite" and leaving the rest of you intact.

Since this seemed sensible and I value my digits I've stopped wearing gloves around the table and miter saw, and that being the case, usually forget to put them back on when moving wood around and end up with splinters and cut up hands.

Is this advice bunk? Do I just need to remember to constantly take gloves on and off? Do my tender desk-jockey skin just need to toughen up?
 
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I would imagine it makes sense to wear gloves if you are handling or loading lumber, metal that can be hot or sharp or something that tears up your skin. Also if you are handling something like a big jack hammer, or something that is going to cause a lot of friction on your hands I've done that, but I've never worked with gloves around any machinery, weather it be drilling or cutting. The only exception is I will put on a leather glove or use one of my welding gloves when sharpening or grinding things on a grind wheel if it is going to produce a lot of sparks and heat, but that is more about not burning my fingerprints off or lighting my hairy *** arms on fire, lol. I learned also when I go to fetch metal drops at the metal place to handle with gloves. For one it's all oily and I got tired of cleaning my steering wheel off, and like I mentioned, metal drops are sharp as hell, having just been cut off on their shear.
 

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I wear gloves all the time, they have saved my hands a few times while using power tools when I accidentally bumped the blade or something

I believe that theory about pulling you hand in is nonsense unless you have big bulky gloves or something

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I now wear gloves while using a handheld grinder. If I had been wearing gloves before I wouldn't have scars from 17 stitches on my left hand and fingers. I'm really lucky I didn't cut tendons.
I also wear gloves welding but not for anything else. Self taught, self employed, 35 years in the construction biz.
 

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Me wearing gloves is like a cat walking on tape.....

Unless the metal has sharp edges and I'm handling it a lot, then gloves.

I've worked on machines for 30+ years and I can "feel" when it is adjusted right.

When working with wood I like to "feel" the wood as well as smell it.

If I'm doing a lot of chainsaw work then gloves. Especially if working with pine.
 

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I don’t usually for any woodworking. I want to know exactly where my fingers are. Gloves are not needed for most wood in machines. Carrying is ok. I usually have some around if I’m getting splinters. You see it a lot with rough wood. I remember paduc gave me tones of micro splinters the I didn’t realize till the next day when they got red.
Mostly just toughen up. Callouses and rough skin is the mark of a working man imo


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I believe that theory about pulling you hand in is nonsense unless you have big bulky gloves or something

-It is not nonsense, but then, it is also not universal.

Gloves are simply PPE- personal protective equipment. You don't always need a hard hat, but should wear one when you DO need it. You don't always need steel-toe boots, but should wear them when you DO need to. You don't always need ear plugs or muffs, but should wear them when you do. And so on.

A lot of old-timers have the knee-jerk "no gloves, no how, never" mindset, apparently having been told that the moment you put them on, the instant anyone anywhere in the plant turns on so much as a small drill press, you'll be instantly sucked in and crushed into a fine red paste. This is, of course, not even remotely true.

Now, it IS very much true that people HAVE indeed suffered grievous injuries or even death when a gloved hand got snagged and yanked them into the machine.

But here's the key part: It Wasn't The Gloves' Fault. The fault lies in the operator who stuck his goddam hands where they shouldn't be. He let them get to close to the wheel, or didn't break the spiral swarf coming off the drill bit, or stuck his finger in there to just real quick brush off the chips.

In the majority of the cases, the operator could have been snagged and drawn in whether or not he was wearing gloves.

So what a lot of factories did was simply say "no gloves, no how, never", and to this day a lot of old-timers keep repeating that like a mantra they haven't really stopped to think about.

Gloves are protective equipment, designed to protect your hands. Not all gloves are ideal for all situations, or even necessary for all situations. You don't need to be wearing welding gloves if you're trying to rebuild a carburetor, thin latex gloves don't offer enough protection when welding, elbow-length ball-gown gloves will do you no good when using the solvent tank, and you wouldn't want to use $100 leather driving gloves while changing a transmission.

There's a time and a place for all of them, and a time and a place to NOT use any of them.

Personally, I nearly constantly wear the thin black nitrile gloves- so habitually, I find myself disliking doing nearly anything in the shop without them. That includes using my machine tools, the drill press, hand drills, grinders, you name it.

And yet I still have all of my fingers, and all are complete. I might use one Band-Aid a year, and even that's usually just an eXacto mishap.

You know why? I Keep My Goddam Hands Away From The Spinny Bits.

This is very much a "keep your booger hook off the bang switch" thing. If there's swarf on the cutter or piled up on the milling cutter blocking my view, I don't stick a finger in there to "just poke it away real quick", I use a damn chip brush. If the stringy bits are getting too long out of the drilled hole, I let up pressure on the drill for a moment, which breaks them off at a short, manageable, non-grabby length. If I need to grind something small, I use pliers or vise-grips to hold it.

What the gloves HAVE done, is saved me from countless slivers, sharp edges, burrs and other pokey bits over the last decade. I'm quite busy in my machine shop, and have been doing quite a bit of construction and fabrication on top of that, and right at this exact moment, I have exactly zero nicks, cuts, scrapes, pokes or slivers on either hand.

Bottom line: Gloves are there to protect your hands. Use them when they're needed, or useful, and use the correct one for the application.

For your table saw use, gloved or not. keep your goddam hands away from the blades! That's why the gods gave us push sticks and featherboards and stuff.

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I have a nice scar across my left thumb from a new 3/4" carbide cylindrical burr that I used in my die grinder. Opening up a hole in aluminum caused it to walk out of the hole and across my thumb which was not protected by gloves. Normally I do wear gloves but that day I was just doing a few little things in the garage and skipped gloves or shoes (wore sandals).


With the milling machine, lathe, or table saw gloves are a no go. With all the others they protect my hands as long as I can still get the work done with gloves. Tillman trufit gloves are very thin and save my hands from splinters or metal slivers and cuts and blisters. 48m mig gloves for mig and tig and when I was doing a fair amount of framing and drywall (started in the construction trades at age 14) I would wear fingerless gloves which were better than nothing and saved my hands from some of the abuse.


Protection is good and what you can tough out when you are young can lead to problems that you pay for later in life. My brother doesn't bother with knee pads. Well, I spent so many years doing paint and finish work (often using knee pads) that now my knees are too sensitive to not use knee pads. If I kneel just the right way, it sends great pain through my knees. I used ear plugs a lot.......but not enough.


With a circular saw, miter saw, sawzall, screw guns, hammers, etc. it isn't unsafe to wear gloves as your hands are not close enough to get caught up in them. For miner brushes with cutting tools, the gloves even help.


When grinding, gloves are a must. Just don't wear synthetic gloves. My brother had the grinder kick back and run a cut off wheel across his finger. It didn't bleed at first, but that is because it melted the material into the minor cut. We also always use grinder guards. There is no good reason to remove them; get the proper tool if it won't work with the guard. If the big grinder doesn't fit, then the die grinders almost always work or I find another way.......which I don't recall having to resort to. Gloves next to a grinding wheel at 10,000 rpm isn't enough protection and the shape of an angle grinder is perfect to put your hands close to the wheel. I did a few welds with the same gloves (used synthetic for handling and washing the steel) and quickly learned that hot splatter and synthetic don't mix.


Having good fitting gloves makes all the difference. Tillman is inexpensive and they have many sizes. Prices are great from baker gas, online. Using gloves is less of a pain than injuries I have had to my hands.
 

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I now wear gloves while using a handheld grinder. If I had been wearing gloves before I wouldn't have scars from 17 stitches on my left hand and fingers. I'm really lucky I didn't cut tendons.
I also wear gloves welding but not for anything else. Self taught, self employed, 35 years in the construction biz.



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Gloves have come a long way too.
I never could stand to wear gloves as a young guy but now have really come to like the new technology gloves.
I need to have the tactile connection to what I’m working on. Whether it’s wood or mechanical I believe you can feel when it’s right.
There are some really nice tight fitting new gloves out there. I’m very partial to the maxiflex brand.
Use the right glove for the task.


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Guy I worked with was using a hilti hammer drill and drilling holes in a concrete wall at the paper mill for some work we were doing. He was wearing the cotton gloves with black rubber "dots" on them. He grabbed the drill bit to position it on the wall and started drilling, not realizing the tip of the pinky finger of his glove had gotten snagged on the bit. It wound up actually ripping his pinky finger off of his hand.

No gloves around rotating machinery, tools, etc
 

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I use gloves all the time now and they have definitely saved me from serious injury on more than one occasion. I only use real Mechanix brand gloves, and I ensure that they are as tight fitting as possible. I've cut the gloves with various cutoff wheels, die grinders, and saw blades on numerous occasions, but so far only minor scratches to my hands. I've also found that the small extra padding of the gloves makes a big difference in reducing vibration transmitted to my hands and arms. As you get older, this matters.
 

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Hmm... Either guarantee I'll have fucked up hands from not wearing gloves, or potentially exacerbate a potential major injury from wearing glives?

I'll keep wearing my gloves and stay the **** away from the bitey bits. I have no interest in having rough, scaly hands.
 

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Guy I worked with was using a hilti hammer drill and drilling holes in a concrete wall at the paper mill for some work we were doing. He was wearing the cotton gloves with black rubber "dots" on them. He grabbed the drill bit to position it on the wall and started drilling, not realizing the tip of the pinky finger of his glove had gotten snagged on the bit. It wound up actually ripping his pinky finger off of his hand.

No gloves around rotating machinery, tools, etc

you can't fix stupid.
 

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There's a few times I wear gloves when running equipment but it's not very often. It just depends on what I'm doing.


When I worked at Dayco Swan, the guys running the rubber mills with the two big rollers, not metal fab stuff, wore gloves. The rubber compound was hot or just plain nasty, so the gloves were part of their PPE. However, the would cut a slit up the back of the gloves incase they got caught. The theory was it would allow the glove to be pulled off the hand without injury the wearer.
 

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I find not wearing gloves I end up with metal slivers so gloves are on for most everything now. I have light Kevlar gloves for metal work and wood, heavy gloves for welding and grinding.
 
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I wear gloves for cold, hot, and stone/brick/pouring concrete work. I will break out the kevlars if handling large pieces of sheetmetal but its rare.

The rest of the time I feel that I need the tactile response and prefer to work without them.
 

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The only time I really wear gloves when woodworking is during the transport of lumber especially plywood from store to truck to shop. Once in the shop, movement becomes more deliberate.
 

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Gloves on most the time, both for wood and metal work, specially metal.

I take gloves off with certain machines:

Lathe
Mill
Drill press (if not a momentary switch)

....and any other machine powerful enough to take my whole arm/body with it.

Good practice outweighs any rule of thumb, and will save a thumb.

BTW, gloves with cutting items like table saw, jig, circ, grinder, etc.. typically SAVE your hand because you feel it hit the glove before hitting flesh, it does not "bind" up unless you are using a rusty dull blade:headscrat
 

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I take gloves off with certain machines:
Lathe
Mill
Drill press (if not a momentary switch)

-On one hand (if you'll pardon the pun :D ) there's generally little reason to wear gloves on a machine tool. I keep my machines fairly clean, so it's not like my hands would wind up covered in dirt and rust if I didn't have gloves.

On the other hand ( :D ) as above, I'll virtually always wear my black nitriles while using the machines, specifically to keep the cutting oils, tapping lubes, WD-40 and various chips and slivers off my hands.

I mill a lot of aluminum, and generally one-off parts, so I'll wind up using a lot of WD-40 as a cutting lube since it's cheap and easy. But after a day in the shop, my hands would be soaked- to the point where even after multiple washings, including with GoJo or one of the orange hand cleaners, my hands would still smell like WD, and I'd leave oily fingerprints on papers I'd handle.

By the time I got them washed enough to not do that, they'd be dry and cracked.

These days, I peel off the nitriles, have a quick wash with normal hand soap, and my hands are clean and dry.

And in either case, the gloves at the machine comes back to the same thing: The machine can't "bite" you unless you stick your goddam hands into the spinny bits. If you don't do that, it doesn't matter whether or not you're wearing gloves.

When using a lathe, you DO NOT touch the part while the chuck is turning. If the chuck isn't turning, it's not going to drag you in to your doom. It's that freaking simple. Stop the machine, change, inspect or measure the part, start it back up, and continue on your way.

When using the mill, same game- you DO NOT touch the cutter or spindle 'til it's fully stopped. You don't grab the chuck to slow the spindle down faster between drill sizes, you don't casually use a finger to brush away swarf, you don't reach in to try and flick away a cut-off part.

And again, if the spindle isn't turning, it can't "bite" you.

Ditto the drill press. With the added mention that drilling a hole is NOT a game where you see how long you can make those spirally thingies as you drill. Those are what snag the unwary- periodically "lift" the drill to break those coils into short, safe bits.

And if you're in so much of a hurry that waiting the extra couple of seconds for the spindle to stop before changing tools is too long, you're already working dangerously, and it really doesn't matter if you're wearing gloves or not. It's only a matter of time before you get injured or maimed.

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Common sense works wonders!

If it has a big electric motor don't wear fabric or leather gloves! Drill press, lathe, table saw, bench grinder and others.


If you want some protection wear disposable rubber or nitrile gloves. The glove will tear if caught.
 

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I worked for a large company that had a large machine shop and there were, on occasion, accidents. Two that spring to mind; a woman was scalped when here hair got wrapped up in a rotating machine and tore off her scalp. Things that can get wrapped up in machines shouldn't be near machines. A drill press operator wearing gloves got wrapped up in the rotating parts and it "degloved" his hand. That means that all of the skin on his hand was taken off like a glove inside the glove he was wearing. IIR he lost his thumb as well. Subsequently, wearing glove while doing certain operations was forbidden. I don't think there is a perfect answer to this question with and "always" or "never" answer. Personally, I don't wear gloves in the shop. except when welding or handling hot stuff. It is hard to say whether the three or four accidents I have had would have been better or worse had I been wearing gloves. We'll never know.
 

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I use gloves all the time now and they have definitely saved me from serious injury on more than one occasion.I've cut the gloves with various cutoff wheels, die grinders, and saw blades on numerous occasions, but so far only minor scratches to my hands.

Sounds like you shouldn't be using power tools if this is a common occurrence.
 

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The new mechanic's style gloves are great, takes a while to get used to them but you have much better dexterity with them than the old loose leather work gloves. I can even use a touchscreen while wearing them.
 

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Sounds like you shouldn't be using power tools if this is a common occurrence.

I have a few thousand hours of chainsaw (and wood chipper) operation under my belt, i've worn face/ear protection, gloves, and chaps.

never once have the gloves gotten caught on the moving chain. probably because I don't touch the moving chain. I don't see how a circular saw is any different. touch moving teeth, bad thing happen. I've also never reached into the wood chipper.

also the chaps have never been tested, but that's OK. i'd rather wear them than bleed out in the woods and get found hours later when I don't come back after dark.
 

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If it has a big electric motor don't wear fabric or leather gloves! Drill press, lathe, table saw, bench grinder and others.

-No, if it has a big electric motor, Keep Yer Goddam Fingers Away From The Spinny Part!

I wear heavy work gloves while using a big angle grinder, in order to protect against sparks. I have yet to suffer an injury due to the practice because I keep my hands off the damn wheel!

I'll wear the nitrile gloves while using the lathe, and suffer no injury because I keep my damn hands away from the chuck while it's turning!

I've been wearing heavy gloves while using the belt grinder, because the part can get very hot and sparky. Again, I have suffered no injury because I've kept my damn hands away from the belt!

That's the key I keep harping on. Gloves were designed to protect your hands, but the best glove in the world will not protect your hands from your own stupidity. You wear them when they're appropriate, don't wear them when doing so would NOT be appropriate, and keep yer goddam hands away from the cutter regardless of what kind of gloves you're wearing.

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Reminds me of the arguments you hear against wearing seatbelts because you could be trapped in at sinking or burning vehicle. Yes, it happens, but statistics show that your odds are much better with a seatbelt than without it.

You are responsible for your actions. Sometimes gloves will help you, other times not so much. The main thing is to keep your mind on what you are doing. If you can't handle that, maybe power tools aren't for you.
 

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I wear gloves MOST of the time, the kind of glove depends on what I'm doing, leather gloves for moving lumber and grinding and such, nitrile for oils and chemicals and such...yeah it got drilled into me not around machines so usually not when using a table saw.
Plus corn huskers hand lotion...
Some of the guys at work used to make fun of me because my hands are so soft and clean...
Then I asked "when was the last time you touched your wife's boobies? she seems to like my soft clean hands"
 

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I generally only wear a left glove while cutting, grinding and welding. If anyone needs some right ones let me know, I've got some spares.
 

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I destroy right gloves about 2-1 over lefts, usually index or pointer wear through. Maybe we should hang out.

There are also gloves to avoid. Especially with cheap ones, try them on at the store. if they are not inherently shaped like a human hand, don't buy them unless you are an alien.

Polymer gloves are nice for handling stock and keeping warm, but as mentioned, around hot stuff, they mostly just melt to your skin and give a false sense of security.

Way too often, I've put on a glove with just one little hole, an somehow got burned AKA forgot and touched the hot bits.
 

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Sorry we can't all be perfect... :wtf:

It has nothing to do with being perfect it has to do with being a competent user of a tool and if you are consistently having to rely on gloves to save your hands from serious injury when using tools with blades and cutting wheels you are not a competent user.
 
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