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I need to set three PT 6x6s for a porch addition. I originally was going to hire it done but started looking at buying one or renting one. Local rental is a 5hp "cable" unit, 14" max, for $85/day, and a 13hp tow behind, 16" max, for $109. Reasonable to think I can do 3 holes 4 to 5' deep in a day? Worth renting or just hire it - probably in the $250-500 range. How hard is it?
 
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I'd look into renting one with a rigid power shaft that hinges at the head and motor (can't recall the proper name right now).

Having to fight the twist of a... what, ten-inch auger?--with a flex shaft don't sound fun at all. With the rigid shaft, the motor and sled really help with that.
 

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Remember with the operation of the digger comes the main liability of if something is hit...whoever digs should call the utility location service for the area

If you can get someone to do such a small job..I would hire it out ..but around here it would be tough to get someone to only drill the holes for 3 posts
 
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I'd look into renting one with a rigid power shaft that hinges at the head and motor (can't recall the proper name right now).

Having to fight the twist of a... what, ten-inch auger?--with a flex shaft don't sound fun at all. With the rigid shaft, the motor and sled really help with that.
this is what they call cable unit
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If you need holes that deep, either one will come up short. Unless it's rocky ground ( then neither one will work good) it wouldn't be that bad digging them by hand.
 

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I need to set three PT 6x6s for a porch addition. I originally was going to hire it done but started looking at buying one or renting one. Local rental is a 5hp "cable" unit, 14" max, for $85/day, and a 13hp tow behind, 16" max, for $109. Reasonable to think I can do 3 holes 4 to 5' deep in a day? Worth renting or just hire it - probably in the $250-500 range. How hard is it?

6x6 post, but what diameter pier?

How's your soil?

I hand dug 3 12" dia last weekend, but I have super loamy no rock soil.
 

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(3) 6" posts? I'd just dig them by hand. I've got a regular post hole digger and one I welded an extension on to get deeper. Not gas, just a handle

Every time I build a >200A electric service I set (2) 6" posts about 4' in the ground. It's not worth dragging equipment around.

By the time you drive around and rent something you could have already dug the holes by hand.
 
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Hire it out. Running those can be a hell of a workout, and dangerous.

This. Or do it by hand. The problem with small augers is that the amount of torque they can produce is limited --- in the case of a handheld unit, by the strength of the operator, and in the case of bigger ones, by the weight of the machine -- and if you need more torque, they'll spin instead, generally with bad results. (think what happens with a drill bit sticks, and spins the drill instead, but with a 5 hp motor....) A machine mounted auger is both more powerful, and the machine's weight provides a big resistance ot spinning.
 

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4-5 foot deep is gonna be hard to get. My tractor PTO auger is just a little over 3 foot deep max

Is there not an extension you could add?

I dug 27 or 28 >4' holes to set our 8' privacy fence using Harbor Freight's predator auger with it's 8" x 31" deep bit first followed by going deeper using their 21" extension. I was burying the entire bit down to the motor in every hole. And it sucked because I have trees everywhere and every time I'd hit a large root the auger would spin right out of my hands. Then I'd have to rotate it backwards by hand to get the bit out, then deal with the root in a myriad of different ways, usually reaching down in the hole with a reciprocating saw and/or pound it with a 60" slate bar. I don't exactly recommend digging that many holes with a handheld power auger, because it wore me out, but it is doable. If I had three holes to dig I'd certainly do it. If they need to be bigger around than the 8"-9" holes the Harbor Freight auger digs I'd widen it with post hole diggers.
 
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Looking at the "tow unit", 4' seems possible, and it seems stable. It is 1 1/2 hours each for pickup and return.

I need at least a foot diameter for footing. Was liking 16". Each one needs to support around 3000 pounds. Soil appears very sandy. Was 30-40' away for garage foundation - more like 7' deep at corner cut into hill.

Frankly, hand digging a 16" diameter hole 4' deep at age 73 with a bad back and knee seems very challenging. I do have a post hole digger and a hand auger - went 8' deep with that in clay soil - 30 years ago.

Hiring it done is of course attractive but I know by the time my guy who excavates attached auger to his tractor, loads it on a trailer, and gets here, and the return, he's into half a day of time and equipment. It's gotta be $1500 at least.

6x6 post, but what diameter pier?
I'm burying the 6x6. UC4C - like 4 times the amount of preservative in PT wood in stock at lumber yards and such. The existing 10 posts are 30 years old and fine and probably not near the UC4C treatment. I am considering digging a foot or so around existing and adding some of the wrap stuff.
 

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Frankly, hand digging a 16" diameter hole 4' deep at age 73 with a bad back and knee seems very challenging. I do have a post hole digger and a hand auger - went 8' deep with that in clay soil - 30 years ago.

Insure as hell wouldn't run a manual auger with that info..


I'm burying the 6x6. UC4C - like 4 times the amount of preservative in PT wood in stock at lumber yards and such. The existing 10 posts are 30 years old and fine and probably not near the UC4C treatment. I am considering digging a foot or so around existing and adding some of the wrap stuff.

I had 4x4 sitting in sandy soil for at least 30yrs. Hosed the dirt off and they look new. Call me a skeptic, but I wouldn't burry any grade lumber they offer today.
 

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Go to a reputable rental center and you will find knowledgeable staff.Explain what you are doing.The depth will be your challenge,the stand on machinery has lots of attachments and options,plenty of hp.You could get a bucket to move the dirt when you finish.Augers go to 12 inches in diameter ,so you have options.There is a bolt on extension you need,and ask for.You will need wrenches to install.Have it delivered, the driver will instruct the machine,But I would ask while at the rental center ,all your questions and concerns if that's something you can do. Bobcat and Toro both make small standup,walk behind type machines.They are powerful and easy to operate.They will make your job,quicker and safer.Measure your gates .Enjoy the experience as you work smarter ,not harder. Toro calls their machine a "Dingo"Good luck!
 
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Go to a reputable rental center and you will find knowledgeable staff.Explain what you are doing.The depth will be your challenge,the stand on machinery has lots of attachments and options,plenty of hp.You could get a bucket to move the dirt when you finish.Augers go to 12 inches in diameter ,so you have options.There is a bolt on extension you need,and ask for.You will need wrenches to install.Have it delivered, the driver will instruct the machine,But I would ask while at the rental center ,all your questions and concerns if that's something you can do. Bobcat and Toro both make small standup,walk behind type machines.They are powerful and easy to operate.They will make your job,quicker and safer.Measure your gates .Enjoy the experience as you work smarter ,not harder. Toro calls their machine a "Dingo"Good luck!

Augers go a lot bigger then 12", and I'm pretty sure he was talking about renting a manual unit, not tractor/skid steer/dingo based
 

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Looking at the "tow unit", 4' seems possible, and it seems stable. It is 1 1/2 hours each for pickup and return.

I need at least a foot diameter for footing. Was liking 16". Each one needs to support around 3000 pounds. Soil appears very sandy. Was 30-40' away for garage foundation - more like 7' deep at corner cut into hill.

Frankly, hand digging a 16" diameter hole 4' deep at age 73 with a bad back and knee seems very challenging. I do have a post hole digger and a hand auger - went 8' deep with that in clay soil - 30 years ago.

Hiring it done is of course attractive but I know by the time my guy who excavates attached auger to his tractor, loads it on a trailer, and gets here, and the return, he's into half a day of time and equipment. It's gotta be $1500 at least.


I'm burying the 6x6. UC4C - like 4 times the amount of preservative in PT wood in stock at lumber yards and such. The existing 10 posts are 30 years old and fine and probably not near the UC4C treatment. I am considering digging a foot or so around existing and adding some of the wrap stuff.
16" is big, even for the towable, depending on your soil conditions. I own 2 handheld augers, a one man and a two man and 8" is as big as I like to go with them. I've rented the towables and they are good but depending on soil conditions I would say 10-12" max is what I'm comfortable with. I've use augers on mini skids, skids, and mini excavators before and that's the only way I would do a 16" hole, especially that deep. We did a leg tower for a farmer a few years ago and di 48" diameter 16' deep holes for that. Hired that out to a guy that brought in a big excavator and big auger. The noise of the concrete filling those tubes was loud but trucks emptied quick filling those.
 
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Insure as hell wouldn't run a manual auger with that info..




I had 4x4 sitting in sandy soil for at least 30yrs. Hosed the dirt off and they look new. Call me a skeptic, but I wouldn't burry any grade lumber they offer today.
Do you consider the trailer mounted 16" auger with 15hp engine pictured above, to be manual?

As far as the PT lumber, definitely UC4C or maybe 5B, and looking at CA or MCQ in place of ACC. And wraps. It will out last me.

ps: All against a 2 story house and all under roof with overhang and all at to if a hill - 50' away the ground will be below the footings of the posts. Repeating, all very sandy. I had it tested and very close to not requiring frost protection it drains so well.
 
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i did this with a buddy, we rented the two man gas powered auger and just kept it going till we were deep enough and then dug the rest out by hand. took us all of a few hours tops
 

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I’d see what the costs of hiring this out would be. I’ve used a tow behind in rocky soil, it’s doable but it was a little more work than a dingo or skid steer. By the time you rent and drive, someone with better gear could have done the job, and probably for similar $$$.
 
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Just in the post issue, anyone used the Owens Corning Structural Posts? I think there is another brand also. "fiberglass reinforced acrylic capped polyvinyl chloride". Never rot, that's for sure. I think they'd have to set on a concrete or plastic pole barn cookie. Cost may be an issue as well.
 
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I’d see what the costs of hiring this out would be. I’ve used a tow behind in rocky soil, it’s doable but it was a little more work than a dingo or skid steer. By the time you rent and drive, someone with better gear could have done the job, and probably for similar $$$.
I wish and may spend it but hiring it has to be near $1500, and the rental is just over $100. No guarantee if no rocks but other, deeper excavation has revealed all sand.

I'll try hand digging but seems unlikely to be successful.
 

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Do you consider the trailer mounted 16" auger with 15hp engine pictured above, to be manual?

As far as the PT lumber, definitely UC4C or maybe 5B, and looking at CA or MCQ in place of ACC. And wraps. It will out last me.

ps: All against a 2 story house and all under roof with overhang and all at to if a hill - 50' away the ground will be below the footings of the posts. Repeating, all very sandy. I had it tested and very close to not requiring frost protection it drains so well.
I've used the towable trailer auger many times for fence and deck posts using 8-12" augers. I would not try a 16" on it unless your soil is very soft. I've gotten a 10" auger stuck in the ground before and had to use a skid to lift the auger out of the ground.
 

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I need to set three PT 6x6s for a porch addition. I originally was going to hire it done but started looking at buying one or renting one. Local rental is a 5hp "cable" unit, 14" max, for $85/day, and a 13hp tow behind, 16" max, for $109. Reasonable to think I can do 3 holes 4 to 5' deep in a day? Worth renting or just hire it - probably in the $250-500 range. How hard is it?
Rent machine w SSQA auger and be done with it. 5' deep holes are hard and depending on your soil can be pure hell. I'm still in the process of building a perimeter fence and in fact getting dressed to go dig the final two holes of the gate entry. 4" and 3.5" pipe set 5' in compacted dry red clay. We used a one man auger for areas of inaccessibility. We fought for every inch some days with a rock bar, sharp t shooter shovel and the auger. To date we have dug 21 such holes 5' deepx9". For areas we could get a machine I rented a Bobcat Toolcat twice and after I bought my tractor I used the SSQA FEL auger. Both machines made posts easier, even if the ground was dry and compacted.

If you're digging double digit diameters to 5' depths, use a machine and be done with it. Whether than is you renting/operating or hiring out. You will thank yourself. Don't cheapskate this task, believe me.

ETA: for the one man auger I bought the HF unit, 2 extensions and the bit. That got us down to 5' depth. I wouldn't use a one man auger with the diameter hole you need. The amt of soil you will bring up will be very heavy. We worked to get the auger pulled up on some scoops. I'd recommend a machine.
 

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If you have to go that big a hand digging isn't going to be great. I was thinking an 8" hole.

You could widen the hole with a spade and keep cleaning it out with the auger. Would be very doable at 2-3' deep. I don't know that it would be real fun at 5'. But then again I was dumb enough to dig a basement room by hand.

You don't know anyone with a skid loader? You could rent an auger for it.
 

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What is your soil like? Good corn growing Soil? You could do it with a hand powered auger. Lots of rocks? Hire it.
 
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What is your soil like? Good corn growing Soil? You could do it with a hand powered auger. Lots of rocks? Hire it.
All sandy. Dug - had an excavator - for a 28 x 32 building with 4' deep footing and cut into hill 2 to 3' - on small boulder. Maybe a few fist sized rocks.

I'm going to try a hand auger and see how it goes. 3 in one row about 7' each apart.
 

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hand digging a 16" diameter hole 4' deep at age 73 with a bad back and knee seems very challenging
You’ve got several more year’s experience than I do, but I don’t think I’d try that without expert assistance, or paid help. If your rental yard is that far away, sounds like you are kinda rural. Seems like somebody closer would have a bobcat with auger, or an auger of some size, for a reasonable price. I’m on the edge of rural, and have three or four earthworks guys close.
 

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Just trying to learn, because I have a lot of post holes in my future and minimal experience;

it sounds like you aren't intending to pour piers? So why do you need a 16" diameter hole for a wrapped 6x6 to go in? Something must be going right over my head here.
 

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Just trying to learn, because I have a lot of post holes in my future and minimal experience;

it sounds like you aren't intending to pour piers? So why do you need a 16" diameter hole for a wrapped 6x6 to go in? Something must be going right over my head here.

He will need more then just the 6x6 square to bear the weight. IIRC a deck is 10" dia or 12x12.
 

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If the towable unit has a 16" bit, it's obviously rated for it so go for it. I'd be looking to just pay someone with the equipment to do it, but I doubt anyone would be interested in even starting a skid loader for three holes. If and when that proves to be true, I'd be renting one with the auger for 1/2 day. Yesterday the wife came home with more effing bushes to plant. I dug 24" deep with my 6" HF auger, opening the hole up to 10-12" by hand and that was way more than enough. It's funny how I don't mind it as much when it's something I want to plant.
 
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Just trying to learn, because I have a lot of post holes in my future and minimal experience;

it sounds like you aren't intending to pour piers? So why do you need a 16" diameter hole for a wrapped 6x6 to go in? Something must be going right over my head here.
I'd like a 14 or 16" round footing. I calculate the load at around 3000 pounds and the soil is good for at least 3000 PSF so 14" is about right. Since I can't imagine it being occupied (40 psf) at same time there max snow on roof (60 psf) I'm not worried much about 12" round.

If you're doing fence posts or anything that doesn't bare much load, you don't need a footing.
 

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Got any electrician friends or know one who sets meter poles? Might find one with some spare time who could auger your 3 holes.
 
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I'm going to work with hand auger a bit more. It went well today for the few minutes I was prepared for in the heat - 90s - so will prepare better and maybe wait till cooler weather later this week.

And I'll ask the guy I usually go to for excavation. I know he has a 12" on a tractor.
 

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I wonder how much it would cost to have helical piles installed. The 6x6's can still attach on the top and would more than exceed the weight rating.
 
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