eastwoods new scroll air compressor

[lightning02]

whats everyones take on this? not much info out yet.

be nice to hook that up to my 60gal tank (rated for 175psi) and have a total of 90gals and it be super quiet. make a nice home setup. but that would all depend on what the specs are of it.

 

[speedfreek1210]

If the quality and price are right, it could be a game changer.


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[dkroth]

That will fit perfectly in the back of a Ridgeline when picking it up from the shipping depot.

 

[ovrrdrive]

I have the "Popular Brand" they have in the video... I HATE it. Hopefully by the time they have these out I have some money rolling in. I have had really good luck with Eastwood tools.

 

[nine4gmc]

That will fit perfectly in the back of a Ridgeline when picking it up from the shipping depot.

 

[General Geoff]

Looks sweet, I'm expecting it'll be $1500+. If it's under $1k, I might need to get one.

 

[chrismenke]

Does rotary = scroll?

I've been contemplating a Kaeser air center (at great expense) because the quiet is worth it to me. This could fill a void nicely...

 

[md21722]

Does rotary = scroll?

I've been contemplating a Kaeser air center (at great expense) because the quiet is worth it to me. This could fill a void nicely...

(Rotary) screw and scroll are different technologies.

 

[The Tool Tyrant]

Here's a link to a good working description, along with pros and cons.

http://www.air-compressor-guide.com/learn/compressor-types/scroll-compressor

 

[lightning02]

Here's a link to a good working description, along with pros and cons.

where is the link? lol

 

[braidmeister]

meh...

A compressor is something you buy once, take care of and have for the rest of your days. I wouldn't expect anything from Eastwood to last as long as an Ingersol/Quincy or the others with good track records.

If you're worried about noise, put your compressor in a mechanical closet or room behind the shop. I'm sure whatever air tool you're using is louder than the compressor anyway.

Make sure it isn't oil-less and wait a year after it's out to make sure you're not part of field testing.

 

[Trey T]

Atlas Copco makes those type of pump

 

[sonoronos]

scroll compressor....just like a honda ac compressor.

it would be interesting to see what cfms they get out of it.


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[6PTsocket]

I looked at the Atlas Copcos and they come in a wide range of sizes the two 5hp models put out 12 and 14 cfm at 145 snd 116 psi max. They do not seem to be super efficient compared to a piston job. They are quiet and oil free. A scroll looks like a clock spring. Air enters the coil at the outside where the coil is at its widest. As the coil rotates the air is forced into the ever narrowing spiral and comes out at the center at higher pressure. My guess is an import knock off. The Copcos ain't cheap. They are marketed as critical use compressors,like medical or lab. Selling it to push an impact wrench is new territory. I don't see the psi/cfm performance being better than the very expensive Copcos.

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[theoldwizard1]

AC compressors have used scroll technology for YEARS !

 

[dnschmidt]

If I can't get 17 SCFM at 90 PSIG it's D.O.A. and it's extremely unlikely it has that capability. Anything less will not power a top of the line paint spray gun or a die grinder.

 

[lightning02]

If I can't get 17 SCFM at 90 PSIG it's D.O.A. and it's extremely unlikely it has that capability. Anything less will not power a top of the line paint spray gun or a die grinder.

Well they are pushing it for the "home user". Not sure many are going to be using a top of the line paint gun but none the less if it doesn't make those numbers it's not worth it for the price. Maybe for $600 it be ok but if they are talking $1000 and above the ***** better bring it lol

 

[theoldwizard1]

Here's a link to a good working description, along with pros and cons.

http://www.air-compressor-guide.com/learn/compressor-types/scroll-compressor

Bad news !

Cons:

• Low capacity (flow, liters/minute or cfpm).
• Relatively expensive
• When the compressor-element fails, there’s a very big chance you just have to buy a whole new element.
• The compressed air gets very hot! Much hotter than compared to other types of compressors

 

[bsaint]

whats everyones take on this? not much info out yet.

be nice to hook that up to my 60gal tank (rated for 175psi) and have a total of 90gals and it be super quiet. make a nice home setup. but that would all depend on what the specs are of it.

I dont think its going to be 175# machine.

 

[braidmeister]

"Industrial Technology" ≠ Industrial Duty

I don't trust a compressor where you can't change the oil. We all know how well the oilless ones work out when the con rod is sticking out the side of the block.

 

[6PTsocket]

"Industrial Technology" ≠ Industrial Duty

I don't trust a compressor where you can't change the oil. We all know how well the oilless ones work out when the con rod is sticking out the side of the block.

But it does not have the friction associated with a piston pump. It is far simpler. There is no crank,connecting rods, wrist pins pistons,cylinder walls, etc. It is just a spiral spinning on a motor shaft. But there probably must be a few sliding seals. They are used in critical applications. I am sure they are reliable. With no oil they would be good for painting.

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[garagelogician]

Eastwood posted a quick video yesterday of one of the prototypes running. Sounds like 12 CFM and 145 PSI. Not bad for a home gamer.

67 decibels, probably about as loud as a window A/C.

https://www.facebook.com/eastwoodcompany/videos/10155186317203705/

Note that there are a couple of spin-on filters on the unit. If you look at the original video linked, the white one is a Baldor air-oil separator. I think the small tank on top is an oil reservoir?

Also note the intercooler, he said temp coming out was about 106 degrees.

 

[garagelogician]

Another new video, 12 CFM at 90 PSI. Going to be less than $1000 (probably $999 would be my guess) and will be shipping in November.

https://www.facebook.com/eastwoodcompany/videos/10155225074318705/

 

[EastwoodCo]

Hey guys and gals Matt@Eastwood here,

The new Eastwood QST Compressor was designed to take expensive industrial technology and bring it to the DIY/Hobbyist and small professional shop level. You can watch a few of the videos and also read the full specs/warranty info on our site here: http://www.eastwood.com/scroll-compressors

We've been doing a TON of testing with this compressor and what size was best for our customer. Our Product Engineers have come up with a good size/performance/price level that should cover the majority of our customer base. We're confident in the design and performance, so we can easily produce an upgraded model that can handle a larger shop / professional setting more easily if the interest is there.

I will say that we recently did some testing in a few local professional shops where we plumbed this compressor into their shop and used their current compressor tanks as reservoirs. The QST performed effortlessly feeding a large multi-tech shop, so we're confident it will exceed any needs a Serious DIY/Hobbyist will have.

Also we wanted to give Ryan and the guys at Rex Rods the chance to torture test a QST compressor themselves and give the GJ a review with their take on the product. They should have just received it late last week so we can't wait to see how they like it!

Make sure you keep an eye on the forums too, we're working on a Garage Journal-Only QST Compressor Giveaway too!

Feel free to drop us a line here with questions or email our engineers directly with specific tech questions at: [email protected]

-Matt/EW

 

[6PTsocket]

Another new video, 12 CFM at 90 PSI. Going to be less than $1000 (probably $999 would be my guess) and will be shipping in November.

https://www.facebook.com/eastwoodcompany/videos/10155225074318705/

They are taking orders: $1200. BUT if you preorder before the end of 2017, you get a $200 gift card.

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[lightning02]

be nice to have this in my home garage and add in my 60gal tank to it so id have a total of 90gals. i like the size and low noise factor but the price is still a bit high for my liking.

 

[6PTsocket]

be nice to have this in my home garage and add in my 60gal tank to it so id have a total of 90gals. i like the size and low noise factor but the price is still a bit high for my liking.

Today I exchanged several emails with them and they maintain that the accepted method used to measure cfm, used by most manufacturers is deceptive and their 12 cfm is more than most compressors claiming 15 cfm. They were able to run a DA for a long time with the little 27 gal tank. If what they say is accurate, it should do anything you want to do in a one man shop. If you have any questions, email them and they will get right back to you. It is on wheels and doesn't even have the mounting concerns of a 60 or 80 gal tank.

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[lightning02]

That's good to hear about the DA. Deff be on my list of upgrades to make if they ever lower the price. For 1200 bucks that's a bit much for a DIYer compressors wise.

 

[Olafur]

This looks good, you guys get access to all the cool gear!

I want one for the kitchen!

 

[lightning02]

I want one for the kitchen!

care to explain compressor in the kitchen? lol

 

[bsaint]

Does rotary = scroll?

I've been contemplating a Kaeser air center (at great expense) because the quiet is worth it to me. This could fill a void nicely...

The Kaeser is not quiet. I can record a 7.5hp Kaeser Air Center for you tomorrow if you wanna hear what they sound like. Quietest compressor is Atlas Copco. Kaesers are junk.

Also scroll and rotary screw are different

 

[ShadowRuleZ]

I just saw the e-mail on this and I'm really tempted. I was already looking at the big quiet ones due to the neighborhood and this is actually cheaper than some of the ones I had been looking at. I can't wait for a review - if it can run a sandblast cabinet for a while it's probably good enough for me.

 

[6PTsocket]

That's good to hear about the DA. Deff be on my list of upgrades to make if they ever lower the price. For 1200 bucks that's a bit much for a DIYer compressors wise.

I think it depends how deep into the hobby you are. I have seen many discussions here of Quincy and similar compressors in this price range. If you want to use a blast cabinet, a die grinder or a DA, there is no free lunch. The only alternatives are a used one or a lighter duty one like the HF. This 100% duty cycle, some cheaper ones are not. IR is building their cheaper model pumps in India, the new China for even lower end product Buy it before the end of the year and it comes with a $200 gift card. If you can use 200 bucks worth of Eastwood stuff, that is a nice discount. It is also small, on wheels, low electrical demand, 220 @15, and quiet. If it lives up to their claims, it is a break thru in home or small business compressors to have a scroll at this price.

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[lightning02]

That maybe true but they still need to make money in the end. Selling 10 of them to those ******** hobbyist isn't going to overcome the r&d they have into it. Better to lower the price some and be little better in the playing field. Me myself I'd bite for $700 or $799 (whatever way they would market it). That's where most diyer fall when it comes to the masses and want a good compressor setup. There are always going to be the guys that need little more or little less. That's why it's better to be in the middle. Something everyone can swing. When a product like this was made for the every man but is out of the every mans budget is when it is taken off the market a few years later bc it didn't sell well. Could be the great product but it just wasn't priced right for the person it was made for. That's just how I see it and when it's time to pay the bill most will to whether that care to admit it or not.

No diff when you see the hf 72in toolbox. When I first came out it was 1100 to 1200 (can't recall) then came the $999 coupon and now everyone jumps all over it.

Eastwood came out with a great idea. Just needs little work in the pricing department. Just my opinion is all. I rather see people take advantage of a great idea and can afford it. Can I afford 1200 yes. Can I afford to spend 1200 on a compressor alone for my hobbies? No.

 

[Jawn]

Make sure you keep an eye on the forums too, we're working on a Garage Journal-Only QST Compressor Giveaway too!

If we've entered the giveaway on your website, will we still be eligible to enter the GJ-only giveaway?

 

[Skin]

But it does not have the friction associated with a piston pump. It is far simpler. There is no crank,connecting rods, wrist pins pistons,cylinder walls, etc. It is just a spiral spinning on a motor shaft. But there probably must be a few sliding seals. They are used in critical applications. I am sure they are reliable. With no oil they would be good for painting.

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Actually there is friction from the scroll plate since it rotates on bearings. There has to be oil in the system too or the plates wear then collide. Makes a good mess.

In AC systems scroll compressors are seen as inferior in longevity to piston.

 

[chrismenke]

The Kaeser is not quiet. I can record a 7.5hp Kaeser Air Center for you tomorrow if you wanna hear what they sound like. Quietest compressor is Atlas Copco. Kaesers are junk.

Also scroll and rotary screw are different

Interesting. I used to have a IR Rotary and it was quiet. Like fridge compressor quiet.

The Air Center appealed to me because it has a vertical footprint and in San Francisco the space the compressor occupies has a cost per square foot that makes me want to cry.

 

[6PTsocket]

Actually there is friction from the scroll plate since it rotates on bearings. There has to be oil in the system too or the plates wear then collide. Makes a good mess.

In AC systems scroll compressors are seen as inferior in longevity to piston.

I stand corrected. Eastwood says that it uses scroll oil and there are a few thou between the rotating and stationary scrolls and the oil fills the gap. What about screw compressors; where do they fit in the scheme of things? The Eastwood comes with a 3 yr warranty. I would not be a high hour user so the other advantages loom large.

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[ovrrdrive]

Today I exchanged several emails with them and they maintain that the accepted method used to measure cfm, used by most manufacturers is deceptive and their 12 cfm is more than most compressors claiming 15 cfm. They were able to run a DA for a long time with the little 27 gal tank. If what they say is accurate, it should do anything you want to do in a one man shop. If you have any questions, email them and they will get right back to you. It is on wheels and doesn't even have the mounting concerns of a 60 or 80 gal tank.

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You have to wonder why Eastwood would wait for the release of a potentially revolutionary product to try to change the scale on their own. If the rest of the market in it's entirety is using a rating system that isn't correct then Eastwood should give their true rating followed up by the inflated rating that everyone else uses...

I can definitely see adding one of these either way to my garage system and using my 60gal for storage and in unison for when I need more air for blasting. That would give me a combined cfm in the range of 22-27 depending on what rating you believe for my husky.

I think the price is competitive and fair. You have no idea I hate the noise from my 60.

 

[Citation]

I was under the impression that scroll and/or screw compressors are best when you have continuous loads such as automated assembly line equipment or such. Pistons were better for start/stop loading cases though most of the lower end piston pumps aren't good for 100% duty cycle.