eastwoods new scroll air compressor

[dogdog]

Looks good on paper, any one got one yet? How much would shipping cost on these things.... I don't want to buy a $1200 compressor and paid $2400 in shipping.

 

[Shop Dad]

I'm right in the zone for this as I'm looking for a quality home shop compressor. Specs are nice but the $1200 price is high. Comparing to a Puma 3HP, two stage at $850 it's pretty close, but needs to get down to that $800-$900 range.

 

[6PTsocket]

You have to wonder why Eastwood would wait for the release of a potentially revolutionary product to try to change the scale on their own. If the rest of the market in it's entirety is using a rating system that isn't correct then Eastwood should give their true rating followed up by the inflated rating that everyone else uses...

I can definitely see adding one of these either way to my garage system and using my 60gal for storage and in unison for when I need more air for blasting. That would give me a combined cfm in the range of 22-27 depending on what rating you believe for my husky.

I think the price is competitive and fair. You have no idea I hate the noise from my 60.

I like your point about them trying to change the measuring system. They claimed thst their 5hp piston was rated 15 and only put out 10 to the scroll's 12. They say most companies measure input rather than output air and there are losses and bypass in the compressor. They say it will run a DA for a substantial period of time. That is a real world test. If they are BS ing the word will spread pretty fast.if this is a viable alternative to a 5hp/60 gal I want one. I am not sure I want to be to be the first in line, just to get the $200 gift card, which knocks the compressor down to $1000. I could wind up with a gift card and a turkey. I suspect that, like most of their other stuff, it will eventually go on sale which is better than a gift card. For all the videos, I would like to see a demo for more that a second of this thing running a DA, blast cabinet with a decent size nozzle or a die grinder that can **** 22cfm. They say they tested it in some working shop and it ran everything but they did use the shop's tanks for more capacity. Dunno.

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[6PTsocket]

Looks good on paper, any one got one yet? How much would shipping cost on these things.... I don't want to buy a $1200 compressor and paid $2400 in shipping.

I am in driving distance of Pottstown and have been there several times but then you get nailed for sales tax. They sometimes offer free shipping. Would this be exempt? I doubt the shipping would be that high. Maybe 100 bucks?

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[EastwoodCo]

I just saw the e-mail on this and I'm really tempted. I was already looking at the big quiet ones due to the neighborhood and this is actually cheaper than some of the ones I had been looking at. I can't wait for a review - if it can run a sandblast cabinet for a while it's probably good enough for me.

We have done extensive testing using a blast cabinet, pressure blaster, DA, paint gun, etc. some of which you can see in our videos about the compressor. The QST can definitely handle blasting in a cabinet or with a pressure blaster. The limitations are more when you get into a professional production shop environment where there would be multiple guys running air-hungry tools all at the same time. This compressor can run most anything you can throw at it, but the size we're offering currently wouldn't be optimal for a large shop. As mentioned before we hooked the QST into some of these type of pro shops and used their existing air tanks as a reservoir and the compressor did well but that was more for torture testing. A smaller pro shop or a serious DIY/Hobbyist will have no issues.

If we've entered the giveaway on your website, will we still be eligible to enter the GJ-only giveaway?

Enter Away! Another note for anyone interested in the Pre-Sale: If you win the contest and have already paid through the Pre-Sale we will refund you and send the compressor. So don't hesitate to get in on the Pre-Sale on Nov. 1 and get the $200 gift card.

That maybe true but they still need to make money in the end. Selling 10 of them to those ******** hobbyist isn't going to overcome the r&d they have into it. Better to lower the price some and be little better in the playing field. Me myself I'd bite for $700 or $799 (whatever way they would market it). That's where most diyer fall when it comes to the masses and want a good compressor setup. There are always going to be the guys that need little more or little less. That's why it's better to be in the middle. Something everyone can swing. When a product like this was made for the every man but is out of the every mans budget is when it is taken off the market a few years later bc it didn't sell well. Could be the great product but it just wasn't priced right for the person it was made for. That's just how I see it and when it's time to pay the bill most will to whether that care to admit it or not.

Eastwood came out with a great idea. Just needs little work in the pricing department. Just my opinion is all. I rather see people take advantage of a great idea and can afford it. Can I afford 1200 yes. Can I afford to spend 1200 on a compressor alone for my hobbies? No.

Great points, the R&D and shipping/manufacturing costs for a project like this are very and high and this can raise costs of the product in the end. We do our best to hit the lowest price we can, but in the end of the day what REALLY matters is the quality and performance of the product. Small cut-corners like an absent or subpar oil cooler could affect the performance or worse, the longevity of the compressor. We ALWAYS struggle with this issue. If the compressor was $800 and had low-ratings or a short lifespan before rebuild we'd get ripped apart for an inferior product, but when we beef a product up for a serious hobbyist or professional we're too expensive. This business is a balancing act and NEVER Easy, but we understand and realize we all just want the most for our money.

I think it depends how deep into the hobby you are. I have seen many discussions here of Quincy and similar compressors in this price range. If you want to use a blast cabinet, a die grinder or a DA, there is no free lunch. The only alternatives are a used one or a lighter duty one like the HF. This 100% duty cycle, some cheaper ones are not. IR is building their cheaper model pumps in India, the new China for even lower end product Buy it before the end of the year and it comes with a $200 gift card. If you can use 200 bucks worth of Eastwood stuff, that is a nice discount. It is also small, on wheels, low electrical demand, 220 @15, and quiet. If it lives up to their claims, it is a break thru in home or small business compressors to have a scroll at this price.

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This is exactly what we're going for. We want to break the scroll compressor technology into a price bracket that a small shop or DIY guy/gal can afford. If you've looked around there isn't a scroll compressor on the market that hits all of our features and is even close in price. Before this you were looking at a minimum of $4-6K for one. Price is all relative to the technology and benefits you're getting. Comparing apples to apples you won't get the low noise, small size, and performance for even close to double what the QST comes in at. We have taken a LOT of time testing and tweaking this to make sure it hits everything we had on our wishlist for a compressor in our own home shops and this exceeds our expectations!

Thanks for all of the comments and questions. Our Engineers and R&D team are answering technical spec questions directly through email and I'm also happy to answer questions here on the forum. The compressor email is: [email protected]

-Matt/EW

 

[General Geoff]

Can you tell us what the approximate weight is for this unit? I'm curious if it could conceivably be loaded by a single person into a truck bed.

 

[EastwoodCo]

Looks good on paper, any one got one yet? How much would shipping cost on these things.... I don't want to buy a $1200 compressor and paid $2400 in shipping.

This will be a truck shipment due to the size/weight. We are offering a flat $200 shipping charge to anyone in the lower 48. We feel that is very reasonable for the size/weight.

I am in driving distance of Pottstown and have been there several times but then you get nailed for sales tax. They sometimes offer free shipping. Would this be exempt? I doubt the shipping would be that high. Maybe 100 bucks?

Shipping will be a flat $200 anywhere in the lower 48 states. If you're local to our Pottstown, PA, , Parma, OH. , or Alsip, IL. stores you're welcome to pick them up locally and avoid the shipping costs. Sales tax in that state will be applicable though.

 

[EastwoodCo]

Can you tell us what the approximate weight is for this unit? I'm curious if it could conceivably be loaded by a single person into a truck bed.

The Compressor alone weighs about 325 pounds. The shipping crate will add about 50 pounds. If you're picking a QST up at one of our stores we will gladly assist loading the compressor into your truck for you.

 

[sparky1562]

Is the intercooler the same thing as an air dryer?? When he measured 106 degrees, what was he measuring in the video?

 

[Astro_Pneumatic_Tools]

Just popping in here to give props to Eastwood for becoming active on these boards and discussing product development here with the tool community.

 

[bsaint]

I was under the impression that scroll and/or screw compressors are best when you have continuous loads such as automated assembly line equipment or such. Pistons were better for start/stop loading cases though most of the lower end piston pumps aren't good for 100% duty cycle.

Yea the rotary screw compressors we have out there with 90k hours have 80k hours of loaded run time. The screws that generally fail after 60k hours have 15k hours of load time

 

[md21722]

So basically this is a quiet version of the Home Depot/Lowe's 3HP 60 gallon air compressor with a much higher price.

 

[kelpaso1]

Enter Away! Another note for anyone interested in the Pre-Sale: If you win the contest and have already paid through the Pre-Sale we will refund you and send the compressor. So don't hesitate to get in on the Pre-Sale on Nov. 1 and get the $200 gift card.




-Matt/EW

Too bad it's not open to Canadians also

 

[EastwoodCo]

Is the intercooler the same thing as an air dryer?? When he measured 106 degrees, what was he measuring in the video?

The Compressor is equipped with an external oil cooler to keep the oil temps down and therefore keep the efficiency up. It also helps with the longevity of the pump as well.

For those that were curious about the CFM measurement. Here is the full response our Product Engineers gave to the user earlier in the thread that asked about how we're measuring TRUE CFM as per the ISO 1217 Spec.

"Some Compressor manufacturers do measure CFM on the Air intake Side instead of the outlet. When you read the ISO 1217 Spec this is an acceptable method, but with a piston compressor this CFM reading will be higher than the outlet. This because you will have some air lost at the rings and forced into the crankcase that wont make it to the Tank and eventually to the outlet. We did all of our testing at the tank outlet to make it as close to reality as possible.

All of our CFM numbers are also SCFM numbers which Means standard Cubic feet per minute. This takes into account atmospheric pressure and temperature and creates a level “apples to apples” comparison. When you look at other manufactures you may see ACFM which means actual CFM and was the number they got at whatever temperature and elevation they tested."

-Matt/EW

 

[dogdog]

This will be a truck shipment due to the size/weight. We are offering a flat $200 shipping charge to anyone in the lower 48. We feel that is very reasonable for the size/weight.



Shipping will be a flat $200 anywhere in the lower 48 states. If you're local to our Pottstown, PA, , Parma, OH. , or Alsip, IL. stores you're welcome to pick them up locally and avoid the shipping costs. Sales tax in that state will be applicable though.

Thanks, good to know. I'll see what happens in Spring. Does your shipping/trucking help unload to the garage that is about 75 FT from the curb or straightly curbside delivery only for a residential address...

 

[6PTsocket]

PA sales tax is 6% so that's $72 on $1200. I always enjoy visting the Eastwood folks in Pottstown. Even with the gas and tolls, that leave enough for a nice dinner or some more goodies. If you ship it that changes the balance a little with places like Air Compressors Direct who ship free and of course, no out of state sales tax. The scroll is now up to $1400, delivered. The scroll has spin-on oil and moisture filters that have Eastwood's name on them. I wonder what they will go for and how proproprietary they are. I also wonder how much more filtering is needed after the spin-on.

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[Citation]

There was a comment about how compressors were rated earlier in the thread. Can someone explain the issue?

 

[Hpozzuoli]

I haven't gotten a compressor yet and this thing would be great. i am following to this thread closely.

 

[Hpozzuoli]

Can you tell us what the approximate weight is for this unit? I'm curious if it could conceivably be loaded by a single person into a truck bed.

Or hung from the ceiling, if not by itself, on a suspend deck

 

[EastwoodCo]

PA sales tax is 6% so that's $72 on $1200. I always enjoy visting the Eastwood folks in Pottstown. Even with the gas and tolls, that leave enough for a nice dinner or some more goodies. If you ship it that changes the balance a little with places like Air Compressors Direct who ship free and of course, no out of state sales tax. The scroll is now up to $1400, delivered. The scroll has spin-on oil and moisture filters that have Eastwood's name on them. I wonder what they will go for and how proproprietary they are. I also wonder how much more filtering is needed after the spin-on.

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We suggest changing the filters about once a year for a normal home hobbyist. The filters are our design and will be available for purchase online or in any of our retail outlets.

There was a comment about how compressors were rated earlier in the thread. Can someone explain the issue?

Some Compressor manufacturers measure CFM on the Air intake Side instead of the outlet and post that to "boost" their numbers but it isn't what you'll actually see at the air tool or in tank.

The ISO 1217 Spec allows this form of measurement, but with a piston compressor this CFM reading will be higher than the outlet. This is because you will have some air lost at the rings and forced into the crankcase that wont make it to the Tank and eventually to the outlet. We did all of our testing at the tank outlet to make it as close to reality as possible. Most industrial/professional compressors use this form of measurement to give a true idea of what you'll see when working.

Hope that makes sense!

Here's some spy photos of the inner workings of our scroll. There are only Two bearings and an O-ring that can "fail" or need replacing other than the brushless electric motor. The bearings are standard/common bearings, but we will have compressor parts on hand in the case of a warranty repair/replacement issue does arise.

-Matt/EW

 

[Shop Dad]

What is the ship date/in stores?

 

[ovrrdrive]

The ISO 1217 Spec allows this form of measurement, but with a piston compressor this CFM reading will be higher than the outlet. This is because you will have some air lost at the rings and forced into the crankcase that wont make it to the Tank and eventually to the outlet. We did all of our testing at the tank outlet to make it as close to reality as possible. Most industrial/professional compressors use this form of measurement to give a true idea of what you'll see when working.


-Matt/EW

So the scroll compressors wouldn't show the increase measured at the intake because they aren't piston driven. That makes sense. I was wondering why if there was a better way to measure airflow you guys weren't using it too.

 

[Citation]

We suggest changing the filters about once a year for a normal home hobbyist. The filters are our design and will be available for purchase online or in any of our retail outlets.



Some Compressor manufacturers measure CFM on the Air intake Side instead of the outlet and post that to "boost" their numbers but it isn't what you'll actually see at the air tool or in tank.

The ISO 1217 Spec allows this form of measurement, but with a piston compressor this CFM reading will be higher than the outlet. This is because you will have some air lost at the rings and forced into the crankcase that wont make it to the Tank and eventually to the outlet. We did all of our testing at the tank outlet to make it as close to reality as possible. Most industrial/professional compressors use this form of measurement to give a true idea of what you'll see when working.

Hope that makes sense!

Here's some spy photos of the inner workings of our scroll. There are only Two bearings and an O-ring that can "fail" or need replacing other than the brushless electric motor. The bearings are standard/common bearings, but we will have compressor parts on hand in the case of a warranty repair/replacement issue does arise.

-Matt/EW

That does make sense. How much blow by are we really taking here? Do you have a sense of the blow by its different for an oil-less vs oiled pump?

 

[PCMusicGuy]

Are there approximate dimensions available? I want to know if it will fit under my workbench.

 

[The Tool Tyrant]

Unless I just missed reading anyone else's inquiry...where are these units manufactured? Not just 'Assembled'. Scroll unit: Motor: Tank: Inquiring minds need to know.

 

[6PTsocket]

Are there approximate dimensions available? I want to know if it will fit under my workbench.

Send your question to: [email protected]. and they will respond very quickly. I see no dimensions listed but a lot of pictures. It might be too tall to go under the bench. I guess the wheels could come off but I believe they said it weighs 390 lbs and that is a lot to drag out for service.

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[EastwoodCo]

What is the ship date/in stores?

We are looking at late in the year in December.

That does make sense. How much blow by are we really taking here? Do you have a sense of the blow by its different for an oil-less vs oiled pump?

The blow-by or lack thereof, will be determined by compressor pump age and time run. Ring wear will determine blow by so it is very hard to state broad numbers. We have run units here with the oil fill plug or dip stick removed and can feel the blow by by hand

Are there approximate dimensions available? I want to know if it will fit under my workbench.

We have a nice FAQ section our landing page for the QST now and we have a lot of these answers there. Dimensions are: 44" wide X 39" tall X 21" deep. It weighs 325 Pounds. The landing page for it is: http://www.eastwood.com/scroll-compressors

Unless I just missed reading anyone else's inquiry...where are these units manufactured? Not just 'Assembled'. Scroll unit: Motor: Tank: Inquiring minds need to know.

The QST30/60 and its components are manufactured in our overseas facility. We offer a 2yr warranty on the entire unit against any manufacturing defects for this period. Each unit is received in our Pottstown, PA facility and inspected, filled with oil, run and pressure tested before leaving the warehouse and sent to the customer.

 

[Schurkey]

where are these units manufactured?

The QST30/60 and its components are manufactured in our overseas facility.

Nice evasion.

Let's go to another web site, when the welders were new.

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/69-tools-shops/322672-eastwood-welders.html
Posts 4, 9, and 12 in particular. Excerpts follow.

(Note that the little arrows that link to the posts that the quotes come from won't work, since I'm quoting a different web site)

1.These are NOT rebadged or rebranded welders made by another large company for us with our name on it.
-These welders we designed and tested in house here at Eastwood...
...We oversaw every step of the production process to make sure these were designed to our specs and expectations.

So they're made in-house by Eastwood?

What is the country of origin?

But then the truth comes out:

They are made in China by one of our established factories.

So first, Eastwood brags up how involved they are, (and avoids the hard answer) but later has to admit that the whole thing is a Communist import.

This sort of deception is why I don't even go on the Eastwood web site, let alone buy their products.

Are the compressors any different from the welders?

 

[Shop Dad]

...So first, Eastwood brags up how involved they are, (and avoids the hard answer) but later has to admit that the whole thing is a Communist import...

Did you expect something different? How many things sneak into our shops that were designed by an American company but then outsourced for manufacture? I haven't seen an affordable scroll compressor before so I have no reason to doubt the Eastwood folks put some work into this. If they did and it works as advertised then good for them, and us. New options are a good thing IMHO.

 

[EastwoodCo]

We appreciate the concern, our stance has been the same on the welders as well as the Compressors. Our welders and our compressors are Made in China which is overseas to the US. We have it stated on the landing page for the compressors if anyone would like to review the FAQ's.

Our welders were/are designed and engineered in-house just like our compressors. They are in-fact made overseas by our manufacturing facility. The answer to the welders being "rebadged" were directed to people asking if one of the large welder companies were just putting our labels on their pre-established products.

For our compressors we've spec'ed out the size, mechanical parts, internals, and electronics to our manufacturing facility. They then built us a prototype unit to our specs. We torture tested it, made changes, and had another sample built to our new specs. We then continued to test and change things to make sure we hit the performance, quality, and price that we want. We won't claim to have mined the Iron Ore that the steel air tank is made out of, but we have been there every step of the way making sure that OUR compressor is exactly what we've been working on. We're really excited to be able to bring this technology down to a smaller scale and price in a package that is obtainable for the small shop/DIY Guy or Gal.

For anyone that wants to learn a little more about the inner workings of the scroll compressor, we've put up a little video with our R&D Manager Mark going more in depth about the advantages of a scroll design. You can watch it here:

Thanks for all of the interest,

Matt/EW

 

[md21722]

Nice evasion.

Let's go to another web site, when the welders were new.

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/69-tools-shops/322672-eastwood-welders.html
Posts 4, 9, and 12 in particular. Excerpts follow.

(Note that the little arrows that link to the posts that the quotes come from won't work, since I'm quoting a different web site)




But then the truth comes out:



So first, Eastwood brags up how involved they are, (and avoids the hard answer) but later has to admit that the whole thing is a Communist import.

This sort of deception is why I don't even go on the Eastwood web site, let alone buy their products.

Are the compressors any different from the welders?

I think the comments by Eastwood were accurate. The welders were not re-branded. They are exclusive to Eastwood. They never claimed to be made in the U.S.A. I do not have an Eastwood welder & have no plans to buy their air compressor. I already have a welder and air compressor setup that I am happy with.

 

[6PTsocket]

I think the comments by Eastwood were accurate. The welders were not re-branded. They are exclusive to Eastwood. They never claimed to be made in the U.S.A. I do not have an Eastwood welder & have no plans to buy their air compressor. I already have a welder and air compressor setup that I am happy with.

I make no claim of real accuracy here but I remember a post identifying the Eastwood welders as being very similar to some other economy brand. They mentioned some fittings being different as the only visable difference. I am sure that the Chinese manufacturer is not a captive manufacturer for Eastwood and is free to make similar product under their own or some other name. With a couple of minor changes, Eastwood can claim it is uniquely theirs. If the scroll works, I am sure plenty of others will follow. There is no Chinese word for patent, copyrite, or exclusive.. They knock each other off.

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[Kithegearhead]

I so wish the price point was a bit cheaper, since the Canadian currency is low now the cost is still a bit prohibitive for a weekender. I would be all over this if I can get it for $1000 CAD to the border.
I have been hunting for a screw or a scroll for a few months now and there are some good deals on craigslist and Kijiji. Including the VFD for 3 phase power (convert household single phase to three phase) it looks like one can be within the $1000 budget but a bit hustling is required.
I am gonna wait till February and see what the verdict is and if it gets a bit lower.

 

[f575gtc]

Too bad I went through a lot of work to build my current 60 gallon 17CFM @90 compressor to get this, the noise levels do make it tempting.

 

[EastwoodCo]

Our Pre-Sale has opened for the compressor for anyone interested. View full details here: http://www.eastwood.com/eastwood-qst-30-60-quiet-scroll-air-compressor.html



Also we have a few Pro Shops that we let torture test the compressor themselves. Here's Quality Custom Rides reviewing the compressor:

 

[lightning02]

"maybe around $1000 dollars"

is there some sort of special coupon for the $950 one bc that would be the "maybe around $1000 dollars" mark they say in the video LOL

 

[General Geoff]

If this thing was around last year at this time, I'd have bought it for my dad instead of the 60 gal Harbor Freight 2 stage compressor.

Sadly I don't have the need or the room to store a larger air compressor at my own house.

 

[Eric29]

If the motor has a 100,000 hour pump life, I wonder why the warranty is just two years.

Sorry, but I've never used a scroll compressor. Do they last?

 

[EastwoodCo]

If the motor has a 100,000 hour pump life, I wonder why the warranty is just two years.

Sorry, but I've never used a scroll compressor. Do they last?

Good question. We chose to keep the QST Scroll Compressor warranty the same as the rest of our compressor line. We also looked at the warranties for other more expensive scroll compressors and found that most are 1-2 year warranties with those compressors costing $5k and up. As with any mechanical item, if maintenance routines are kept we have no doubt you will get many trouble free years out of the compressor.

As with any of our products we will stand behind the QST and offer help even after the warranty. We also will be carrying parts for service and repair if needed.

If you're local to one of our retail outlets they are taking pre-sale orders on the spot or over the phone with local pickup available to save you the shipping charge.

Thanks for everyone that has called and emailed their questions and also to place their pre-order!

-Matt/EW

 

[gtr1999]

I have been looking for a quiet compressor for some time now, I have other threads on it on GJ, this sounds like what I am looking for but my concern is the 12 cfm rating. I called Eastwoods today and spoke with a very nice woman in tech support but she didn't have all the answers I was looking for and the next thing I knew Scott from Eastwoods called me within an hour - that was impressive since I can't list all the vendors and suppliers I deal with that will not call me back.

I primarily need it for a Skat Blast cabinet which I use large nozzles with now, but I am tied into a 50hp screw so cfm is not a problem. Maybe a med nozzle will work for me and this compressor?

So this hasn't hit the market yet so we don't have any real world users out there yet. I have to think it over, this for $1400 vs a higher rated CFM machine like a 5hp recip but those also have a higher buy in.

I wonder how the Emax /Polar air compare to this one? I haven't been able to get a noise comparison on those in real world use either.

Anyone here going to buy one? Of course I missed out on the contest too!

Thanks