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Dragster Racer

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My 1600 sq ft race shop is multipurpose. Fabricating. Tractor and mower maintenance at times. Engine building. It's probably 15 years old, and I used a cure and seal product when I built it. It's mostly gone it seems. Even methanol spills tend to lift it.
I'd like something that will help with cleanups. Brooming and spill wipe ups. Doesn't have to be beautiful.
But what it does have to be is easy. I have my mill and lathe. Lots of engine building tools that can't be housed outdoors. I would have to move what I can to half of the shop and do half at a time. Are there any seals that are very forgiving as far as install that can just seal things up a bit?
The other thing I would like to accomplish is filling the expansion joints with rope and a self leveling filler before sealing. Suggestions?
 
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Sealers have no mil thickness or color. Whatever you do in the joints will be seen. Ghostshield 4500/8510 is a good combination
More and more people are just putting down a single coat of Polyurea
 
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Looks like 4500 is cost effective
8510 more money but resistant to fluids
Both same clean surface needed for application

Poly seems to be what it’s name implies and is a surface application that stays on top
I would expect prep to be more important
 
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My goal here is simply to make the floor easier to sweep/clean. Side goals are having something that can be done section at a time, affordably, and without major prep work. If there is a way to simply freshen the cure and seal without removing it I'm all for it.
 

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Ghostshield, it works in the working garage. No topical substance left as it penetrates the concrete. The densifier goes on first. This reacts with the concrete to seal the crystalline structure. It’s densified! The 8510 is applied and soaks in. This is done a week later. Oil, salt, uv protection into the concrete not on it. Nothing to burn and nothing but concrete to scratch. I used the ghostshield 8505 which is th older water based brother. Very impressed with the product and it has performed above expectations in a 2100 square foot farm shop.
Vendors here will help you get what you want. Ghostshield costs a bit more but has proven to work.
 
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Ghostshield, it works in the working garage. No topical substance left as it penetrates the concrete. The densifier goes on first. This reacts with the concrete to seal the crystalline structure. It’s densified! The 8510 is applied and soaks in. This is done a week later. Oil, salt, uv protection into the concrete not on it. Nothing to burn and nothing but concrete to scratch. I used the ghostshield 8505 which is th older water based brother. Very impressed with the product and it has performed above expectations in a 2100 square foot farm shop.
Vendors here will help you get what you want. Ghostshield costs a bit more but has proven to work.
Sounds like a great product. But I'm betting the surface has be be brought back to virgin before the process starts.
 

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Clean, clean, and clean again. When you think it’s clean. Clean again. Mine was new but still washed it with the pressure washer. Just used that to move the dust out. Let dry and went at the densifier late afternoon. Just spray on and don’t let it puddle. Took longer for the concrete to soak it up than spraying. Talk with the vendors here.
Ghostshield is DOT approved in Canada for bus repair centers.
 
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Clean, clean, and clean again. When you think it’s clean. Clean again. Mine was new but still washed it with the pressure washer. Just used that to move the dust out. Let dry and went at the densifier late afternoon. Just spray on and don’t let it puddle. Took longer for the concrete to soak it up than spraying. Talk with the vendors here.
Ghostshield is DOT approved in Canada for bus repair centers.
My only concern is the residual cure and seal. I really can't pressure wash or grind. Since this is the race shop and it's winter, the cars take up part of the shop and fab equipment another good portion.
 

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Then the best advice I can give is consult the the vendors here. They have much more to offer in experience and judgement. They are a golden resource of floor knowledge.
 

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Cure and Seal like J22 is a solvent bourne acrylic. You can mop on a waterbased acrylic wax or polyurethane wax and it will make the floor look brand new again and bonds with the C&S. Clean and mop it well with warm water to remove dust and contaminants, then using a microfiber mop and pump sprayer, apply 2-3 coats of EnviroFloor Reflection or similar. Wait about 15 mins between coats.

If you apply another solvent based coating it will melt that C&S and will look like ****.
 
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Cure and Seal like J22 is a solvent bourne acrylic. You can mop on a waterbased acrylic wax or polyurethane wax and it will make the floor look brand new again and bonds with the C&S. Clean and mop it well with warm water to remove dust and contaminants, then using a microfiber mop and pump sprayer, apply 2-3 coats of EnviroFloor Reflection or similar. Wait about 15 mins between coats.

If you apply another solvent based coating it will melt that C&S and will look like ****.
That sounds like a reasonable approach. Is this a common product that can be found at local home improvement stores?
 
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No you would probably have to order it. I don't live near any large home improvement stores, so I am not sure whats being carried these days. Vendors on here have similar products too, I believe.
 
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