Ebay scumbags listing Neiko import **** as WRIGHT Tools

[kythri]

So this is going to seem like I am picking on you, but your comments make my point the best.

Had this listing been for a Neiko Tool set, but really been a Snap On set at Neiko prices would you feel any different? Or would you just buy it or post it on the hot deals thread?

As I said, please do not think I am directly picking on you.

Assuming that the citation is accurate, Ralph Waldo Emerson's words are incredibly wise:

“Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.”

So, a Snap-on product listed as a Neiko? Honestly, I'd be far more inclined to believe a mistake rather than fraud, and, I'd likely not report it. As to buying it, it would depend on if I wanted it. Context matters, and I suspect there are far less (if any at all) of listings of Snap-on (or premium branded products) as cheap import brands.

There's no benefit to the seller, only detriment, in your example. In the OP's example, the seller only stands to gain by misrepresenting the product.

I don't consider this hypocritical behavior, but if you do, it does not offend me.

 

[kythri]

The seller has removed both items because "the item is no longer available".

Or, alternate scenario, eBay cancelled the listing due to reports.

There is a very clear distinction between "keyword spamming" and making an error in listing an item, and it's not really that difficult to determine which it is:

I'd say three uses of the name "Wright" kiiiiiiinda tips the scale in favor of keyword spamming.

Per eBay guidelines, *ANY* use of a brand name in an auction title other than the brand of the item being sold is keyword spamming.

Just use your head. Nothing good can come of arguing about it here. Relax.

I'm not the one getting worked up about using functions that eBay has implemented for this very scenario.

 

[BDT/NWMN]

Reminds Me of the character selling "ProTo Type" ratchets... I e-mailed him and reported it, but the listing still remained.. I don't care to pay for internet gigs to download such listings, and I wonder how many suckered Aunts and Grandmas buy that **** for gifts..

 

[bushmechanic]

Davefr: Is this your listing?? you're defending a scammer.

Tom B.

His last post is correct.

Supply houses and drop shipping operations will absolutely befuddle people as described.

 

[bushmechanic]

^ Those small-time sellers are the ones that can't tell a 1940's vintage 3-piece set of Indestro double-end box wrenches (with the "Klip-Tite" holder) from their elbow and sell them for $8.00 including shipping on Ebay.

So please... do me a favor and avoid them. Reduces the competition for me.

Yeah, and the big guys aren't who you think they are.

I'd rather purchase from the ignorant than people who break every rule on the site while Ebay wipes the grease off it's palm before anyone notices. Half of those ***-hats are actually based in China, with only convenient warehousing here; illegally representing themselves, and Ebay knows it.

Of course, I'm not having a crack at you personally. I'm sure you run a tight ship.

I'm just fed up with the lies, deception, corruption, payoffs, illegal behavior, and quadruple standards; as well as those who have no idea how the place works or the struggles people go through to stay afloat honestly, and then feel they are sufficiently educated to gripe about sellers.

Newsflash to the world: They aren't.

 

[kythri]

Yup, we're just a bunch of dumb yokels, h'yuk!

 

[bushmechanic]

Yup, we're just a bunch of dumb yokels, h'yuk!

It's "Ah'yuk"; not "h'yuk". You're no yokel.

We have a hipster spy in the house!

 

[BDT/NWMN]

The OP showed two auctions for these items from two totally different sellers. (bgs finders and super nova buy).

Both sellers used the same image and same erroneous description.

The mosty likely scenario is that wholesaler/distributer to these ebay resellers provided these sellers with erroneous image/ad copy which these sellers simply copied and pasted into their Ebay ads.

It happens all the time. (errors vs intentional deception)

"It happens all the time" Dave; You can sure say that again.
eBay has their share of sellers who must not bother to proof read their listings.
Sloppy sellers posting sloppy listings could be a polite way to say it.

 

[kythri]

The OP showed two auctions for these items from two totally different sellers. (bgs finders and super nova buy).

Both sellers used the same image and same erroneous description.

The mosty likely scenario is that wholesaler/distributer to these ebay resellers provided these sellers with erroneous image/ad copy which these sellers simply copied and pasted into their Ebay ads.

It happens all the time. (errors vs intentional deception)

They were probably the same seller with multiple accounts - it's a pretty regular thing.

 

[kythri]

We have a hipster spy in the house!

Now, I'm offended! How DARE you, sir?!

 

[Tallpilot]

There is a very clear distinction between "keyword spamming" and making an error in listing an item, and it's not really that difficult to determine which it is:

Over on the right of the screen, click "See other items".

Does the seller use "keyword spamming" on several items?
If yes, report every damn one of them.
Report them again tomorrow if they're still up.
Report them the next day too if they're still up.
Repeat as necessary until the items are either removed or the seller is banned from Ebay.

Exactly. Keyword spamming is even worse than typing in ALL CAPS

 

[mfewtrail]

I would be willing to bet that the Wright name in the title is intentional. For those defending that seller, they're just a drop-shipper/reseller based in another country.

Not sure about the rest of you, but I dislike the fact that they get to list the location of items in the US even though the seller themselves are in another country(China most commonly, seeing Israel a lot lately as well). I have read complaints from buyers when items are damaged stating that these types of sellers have asked them to ship the item to them in China or Israel to inspect it before they would issue a refund or send a replacement. I'm curious to know what ebay says in those situations to the buyer. Shipping to either of those countries far exceeds the value of a lot of the items people purchase from them...

 

[1982fxr]

so OP is trying to trash seller on eBay who to me (and others) who made an honest mistake... or is there a purpose to this thread that I miss?

Wondering if OP is a seller who compete with these sellers?

I have never sold anything on eBay.

The listings said Wright multiple times and neiko only once. Wright in the heading, neiko upon the click and Wright at least two more times upon clicking description of product. And then a few paragraphs about how it was your fault if you got the wrong items and basically go **** yourself as far as refunds go.

 

[four.cycle]

It states pretty clearly that one of those sellers is in Israel, so there should be no great mystery there.

If you want to avoid doing business with out-of-country sellers, just click the "US only" option when you run a search on an item.

The other seller's profile says "Multiple locations United States". I would think to any reasonable person that might raise some questions.

I'm mystified by some of the vitriol in this thread. Over the course of two years, and about 700 individual purchases, I've had exactly three transactions where there were any problems: accounting for less than one half of one percent of total net purchases.

There are thousands (if not millions) of transactions conducted every day on Ebay. I would not imagine that all of those buyers are experiencing the same sort of problems some of you claim to exist.

Caveat emptor.

You, as the buyer, are solely responsible for your purchasing choices, NOT the seller. (Feel free to click on my "handle" and check my "profile".)

 

[bob15]

I have never sold anything on eBay.

The listings said Wright multiple times and neiko only once. Wright in the heading, neiko upon the click and Wright at least two more times upon clicking description of product. And then a few paragraphs about how it was your fault if you got the wrong items and basically go **** yourself as far as refunds go.

Wrong. E-bay and paypal will side with the buyer with a listing like that. The catch is that is will take a couple weeks to get your money back, unless you work it out with the seller first. Seeing how the 1st seller has over 5000 positive feedbacks, he will probably work with you on a return or he might even offer the set at a lower price (had that option offered to me before). Seller # 1 also has 10k other listings, so mistakes happen. He could also have been using a generic pre-made listing & description made by the warehouse he is selling from/out of (and those are all over the net, not just e-bay).

The Neiko name and their part number are both listed on the correct e-bay spot.....not hidden. If you are buying something and notice 2 different manufacturer names in a listing (even seen it on c-list), you might want to further research the item before buying......that is common sense.

 

[kythri]

You, as the buyer, are solely responsible for your purchasing choices, NOT the seller. (Feel free to click on my "handle" and check my "profile".)

Not in a situation like this, with the listing the OP posted.

 

[Davefr]

Davefr: Is this your listing?? you're defending a scammer.

Tom B.

I simply call them as I see them. The two separate sellers are very likely not scammers for all the reasons I already stated. Not every listing error is a scam.

Why would a seller intentionally invite a SNAD where they have to pay the buyer's return shipping, refund the purchase, risk not getting the item back in tact, potentially get a negative FB and loose their discount structure. It makes absolutely no logical sense. The seller with 5000+ FB's would have figured this out a long time ago.

It's almost impossible to scam a buyer on Ebay. Buyers are coddled by Ebay and have tons of protections. The deck is stacked in favor of the buyer.

...and if it was a scam there would likely be some indication in the seller's feedback. Why would the seller pick this item to misrepresent when they have another 10,000 items listed for sale.

If it was a scam they would have used Snap On in the ad instead of Wright. The average tool buying public generally doesn't know the difference between Wright and Neiko.

Now that this topic has been beaten to death, does anyone think SO is worth the price? or is Sears a good retailer under Eddies watch? or can you use PVC lines for you air compressor?

Believe whatever theory you want.

 

[four.cycle]

Believe whatever theory you want.

^ this.

 

[mfewtrail]

If you want to avoid doing business with out-of-country sellers, just click the "US only" option when you run a search on an item.

The problem is that "US only" option does not actually weed out the international sellers. Since they have stock in the US fulfilled by various warehouses, they are allowed to list US locations.

 

[jonesg]

^ this.

I'm looking to buy a socket.
I have secured an attorney to protect my interests.

 

[reader2580]

The other seller's profile says "Multiple locations United States". I would think to any reasonable person that might raise some questions.

Not unusual for a seller to state this, especially if they have items drop shipped form various locations. A number of sellers just list United States as their location.

I have purchased from a seller with a listed location in a nearby state thinking I would get the item quickly when they had the item drop shipped from California. On the other hand one seller was in Florida, but the item was drop shipped from Indiana so it came faster than expected.

 

[kythri]

Agreed. Not uncommon at all, and most certainly, NOT any kind of warning sign.