Electric outlet in brick wall

[ArcticGabe]

(sorry if this has been asked before, but I couldn't find it in a search.)

I am building a garage that will have partial brick walls. I'd like to add an exterior outlet in the brick while the brick is being installed to avoid having to cut it in later.

I understand that there are "masonry boxes" for such an application (see photo), but are they required per code? I cannot find them easily anywhere near me. What is the advantage of these vs a "non-masonry" box?

Also, is there any special technique that I should ask the brick mason to use when installing so they don't loosen up later?

 

[captaindiode]

What about this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004K1G11M/?tag=atomicindus08-20

A little spendy, but a nice finished look and weatherproof.

 

[Higgins]

this masonry box could be used for electrical fixtures, or electrical boxes.

Not familiar with the other box.

 

[DC73]

They used blue plastic boxes on my workshop for the exterior outlets. They attached them to the sheathing with screws through the back. The bricklayer moved them slightly as needed to get them to line up on a row of bricks. The wire was ran later. The inspector did require a water tight cover and water resistant outlets.

DC

 

[ard]

I prefer a PVC conduit stubbed into the back of a surface mount box.

You don't create a penetration of the building shell; you don't have a box you are trying to make weathertight agaisnt an uneven brick surface (which in itself isn't weathertight ...)

I suppose there are sometimes aesthetic concerns, say a patio or seating area where people will be close by.

IMO

 

[mobiledynamics]

I had to put on my thinking cap in this one as brick walls are not weathertight anyhow...thats why weep holes exist. I prefer either a plastic or masonary box. I've been leaning on plastic more since it doesn't get mineral'ish like galv. boxes

I hate in use boxes so I'm still using the old school flappers, which are more flat. What I do is I use a neoprene sheet as gasket for the cover as well as a neoprene sheet between brick/plate trim to seal it up as much as possible

 

[ddurrett896]

Use the pictured box. Just did 10 of them in my garage being bricked. Screw into place and the mason will take off and set in mortar.

 

[Marctrees]

https://www.menards.com/main/electr...143-c-6425.htm?tid=5916453835668836640&ipos=6

 

[Marctrees]

As said in your previous thread... The advantage is that the little ears for the 6/32's are INSIDE the confines of the box.

If they were outside the box the screw would be hitting mortar.

Get this, hang out on Romex tail like explained in other thread... and move on.

Done that way all the time.

Marc

 

[Marctrees]

"Also, is there any special technique that I should ask the brick mason to use when installing so they don't loosen up later?"

Any competent brick mason has done these many times before and does not need instruction.

Marc

 

[Marctrees]

Apologies for my snarkyness, I thought you were the OP in the thread below.

Marc


https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424835

 

[ArcticGabe]

Thanks for all the replies, and thanks for the link to the previous conversation on this subject. (Sorry for making a new thread, but when I searched for this subject earlier, I didn't find any topics on it.)

I got a couple of the standard galvanized masonry boxes. Had to order them since none of the big boxes near me carried them in stock. Masons are scheduled for next week, so looks like I'm all set!

Greatly appreciate the help.

 

[ard]

People are so nutty on GJ about ratings, cables, inside, outside....

Here you have a wall assembly where the entire brick component is 'outside'.... where there is a building envelope and a waterproof membrane 'behind' the brick....yet people will blithely run interior romex beyond the waterproofing and install a box in the brick (again a 'exterior area') without concerns. Then fuss with a 'waterproof cover' on the box to seal against the brick....