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craig1980

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Forgive me if I overload the questions here. I dont want to open a "can of worms" at the building department yet.
I am planning on running a 100amp sub panel to a detached garage. What Im wondering is do I call the town first and let them know what my plans are? Do they come to my house and discuss what needs to be done? Is is my responsibility to know the NEC or do they let me know exactly what they want done? Do they come after the trench is dug and then make several other visits as Im wiring receptacles lights ect? Finally what if I dont complete the entire job and choose to finish later, does that mean I cant get it inspected? Is a lisenced electrician required? I live in NY by the way. Any suggestions/feedback would be greatly appreciated!!
 
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Both times that I've done stuff that required a permit, I went down to the office and the guys there answered all my questions. Didn't ask my name or where I lived...(other than to make sure I was in their jurisdiction).

They are not interested in making things hard for you....just make sure that what you do is to code and safe.

Building codes are sort of like traffic laws....they are in place to protect people.

So...go talk to them....they will tell you exactly what you need to do.

Typically, you get a permit...once you are done with the work, they come out and inspect it.

There is a time limit....where I live it's 6 months...but here, they are pretty easy on that part...especially if it's a multi-stage project....each visit resets the clock.
 

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Well, I have to say my experience is a little different. You go and get the permit as owner builder and tell them what you plan on doing. They are not there to tell you how to do the job, you are supposed to know how to do that, but some inspectors may be willing to help. Take that help with a grain of salt as most combination inspectors are very weak on the fine points of electrical. Bottom line is that you need to figure stuff out for yourself and study. Forget about relying on some inspector. In my experience electrical inspections are utterly useless. They may come up with some nickel and dime garbage but zero on the more important stuff.

On your other questions, yes, they do several inspections depending on the job. It should be all specified when you get the permit. And yes, unless you are in some communist or unionista state (well you are in NY so strike that) you can still do your own electrical.
 
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Your best bet since every location will be different is to compile a list of your questions, like you did in your post, and head down to the office. Just stop in and pick their brain, tell them you are "considering" this project but want to figure out a cost and what it involves.
 

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The rest of the world probably has no idea what your building regulations are where you live. Go to the building inspection authority and get the answers.
 

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Procedures and policies differ by location. Where I'm located home owners can do their own wiring. You go to the building department and take out an electrical permit and give details of the work. You can ask all the questions you want and the permit review inspector will answer you questions. There is a rough-in inspection and a finial inspection. The rough-in is all panels/boxes, conduit and wire in place with made-up grounds and with open trenches if any and no devices installed. Final inspection is with all devices installed and everything all buttoned up.
 
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The rest of the world probably has no idea what your building regulations are where you live. Go to the building inspection authority and get the answers.
This ^^^^^^. Here in Greene County Tennessee the building inspector came once prior to my 30x40 garage being built. He looked at the spot I had staked out on the ground with tent stakes & said "yep you're 50' from the road & 5' from the neighbors fence, here's your permit".. He came back one time after everything was finished and said "nice garage" and signed off on it. That is only how it's done in Greene County TN. One county over from here and it could be entirely different. Make the call & ask the proper questions. :thumbup:
 

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Over here, we would contact the building dept. and tell them we need a permit for a 100 amp feeder with X number of branch circuits. If you're not sure how many circuits you'll need, overestimate.

Post your permit on site, then start work.

You can have three separate inspections for your work. A ditch inspection, as well as a rough-in and final inspection. When you dig the ditch and lay the conduit, drive the rods, leave it open for the inspector, that's your ditch inspection.

When you install the panel and run all the wires through the walls, make up the boxes, splice wires together, grounds, etc so they are ready for devices. Tuck them in the box for now.
This is your rough-in or cover inspection. After this, you can insulate your walls if you want and install drywall or sheeting.

Now you can make up the panel, install all devices, lights, etc. Covers on all your boxes, 100% done. Then call for final inspection.

Combining rough-in and ditch inspections is commonly done. Then call for a final later when you're finished.
 
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Every Authority Having Jurisdiction (AHJ) is different. Where I live (a small town in South Florida), the inspectors and building official have set "office hours" when you can find them at their desks rather than out inspecting permits. Call and ask about that first.

In my experience, the building department will not take a paying customer away from an electrical contractor by drawing out a diagram and telling you all the parts you need to go buy to wire something up yourself. You need to be familiar with the NEC, just as an electrical contractor would be.

When I wanted to install a grid-tie solar setup, I stopped by the office during "office hours" and asked some simple questions initially: If I want to do XYZ project, what documents do I need to apply for a permit? I asked these questions of one of the inspectors, since I know they are the ones who actually utilize the documents every day to do their job. The secretary is helpful for general questions, but as a DIY guy, I like to hear from the inspector what permit package documents they commonly have in their hands on a jobsite to do their job.

They responded that I needed to utilize a "state certified" system, and they would need a diagram showing all the wiring involved, with all the electrical junction boxes, panels, breaker sizes, conduit sizes, and wire sizes labeled. They also said I would need a signed/sealed structural engineering plan showing the system won't blow off the roof in the next hurricane. Perfect, that was the "basic outline" I needed to go do my homework.

I went home and did my homework. I had never heard that PV systems in Florida had their own "state certification". So, I google'd that and learned what that meant. I designed my own system, applied for and obtained a state certification for it. In doing so, I got to read quite a bit of the NEC.

Since nearly a year passed between my initial inquiry and when I thought I had all the documents I needed to obtain a permit, I went in during "office hours" and had the electrical inspector quickly glance over what I had. Not specifically checking it to see whether it was "all according to the NEC", but simply a 30 second glance at it to see whether it was similar to other documents provided by actual electrical contractors for permit documents. I also verified that no additional documentation would be necessary, since ordinances and permitting rules change over time, and a year had passed since I originally asked what I needed.

When I was confident I had everything I needed in hand, I took three steps to the right, filled out a building permit for electrical work, pulled out the checkbook and wrote them a check to have the building official perform a real "plan review". A week later, I got a call indicating my plan review was complete and I was cleared to write another check and pull my permit. When I picked up my permit, I specifically asked the inspector what stages of the project they wanted to inspect. When each in-progress inspection was complete, I again verified what stage of in-progress they wanted to inspect next.

The day of my final inspections for my grid-tie solar system, the structural and electrical inspectors both asked me if I could please teach the local solar installers how to install a system as neatly and following the intent of the NEC as my PV system was done. As a homeowner, I try do things right "the first time" with quality materials. I've failed electrical inspections on projects, simple projects! Failing an inspection costs me several hours where I could be at my day job earning money, rather than waiting at the house from 10AM-Noon on a Tuesday. I've learned, when I have questions, it pays for me to stop, pull out my NEC book and read it, and if I have any doubt stop by the building department or call during office hours to verify my understanding meets their interpretation and expectations.

The structural PE I use spells out in his sketches the dimension of every bolt, nail, screw, the part number of every simpson-strongtie bracket, along with the type of wood and the dimensional size of every critical piece of lumber used... Leave no questions for the inspector, or the laborer swinging the hammer. I draw my electrical project diagrams to a similar standard, clearly labeling everything. The state of Florida EE who reviewed my PV system design drawings for NEC compliance to get my state certification # indicated my drawings were some of the most complete and thorough he had ever seen. :thumbup:
 

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Assuming your area allows you to do your own work....

Rough out what your doing. A neat hand drawn map showing locations is not a bad idea.
Many counties have a web site that outlines what they are looking for.

Portland Oregon Examples

http://www.portlandonline.com/bds/index.cfm?c=41031

http://www.portlandonline.com/bds/index.cfm?a=71707


The search function will help you get an idea of what other has done and whats required. Post what you propose to do, there are plenty of people here that will give you good advice.

I would take the refined list / sketch to your local permitting office. In my area they did not need much info up front. Getting book on wiring from a big box can help. Black and Decker has a decent one.

Most of the country (USA) uses the NEC with very few modifications. If I remember right, Chicago is the only exception (something about EMT).

That should be a reasonable start. In my area ( Portland OR), the inspectors were really helpful and very knowledgeable. I got advice that ranged from GFI locations and general wiring to existentialism and how it applies to sheer wall nailing patterns. That and to make sure to use galvanized nails when attaching to pressure treated wood.

Even if you don't end up doing the work yourself you will be able to have a much better understanding of what your getting and why.
 
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I am also in NY and unless you are in a large city that requires licensing, anyone can do electrical work. Generally the building department does not do electrical inspections, a third party electrical inspector does them.
In our area and most rural and suburban areas, the correct way is to get a permit from the local building department. Then have your rough and final inspections done by a private electrical inspection agency that is acceptable to your building department. Upon receiving the final report from the private inspector, the building department will issue a C of O or C of C, with or without a visit by their inspector.
Around here, a rough inspection is $90 and the cost includes one visit to do a final inspection. I use an electrical inspection agency that freely gives information and helps out by answering questions.
 
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