To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Electrical testing tools

scott37300

Well-known member
Joined
May 5, 2010
Messages
3,450
Location
Wisconsin
I'm looking at getting some new tools for Christmas. I'm thinking about expanding my electrical testing capabilities. Right now I have an older power probe-the one that only has the red and green lights and no other features. Also have a fluke 77. Some test lights and I'm sure a few other things I"m forgetting. But looking to upgrade some things.

I would like to get a power probe III that can send power ground to things, yes I know to be carful here not to fry anything! Anyone know what model and where to buy it for best price?

Also looking at other things like DMM leads, I only have the standard lead set. Amp clamps, fuse buddies, back probes, etc.

What are your favorite ones and please give a few examples of where you use each tool? Also anything I might be missing?
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Stick

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 12, 2007
Messages
2,302
Location
Alaska
I've got all kinds of electrical troubleshooting tools both homemade and store bought, but here are some of my favorites:

The Fundamental Electrical Troubleshooting Shopbook - I keep recommending this one, but that's just because it's so damn good. It's electricity explained in a way like mechanics think, using terms that the average person can understand.

AES' Electronics Accupuncture Probes - The best backprobes on the market, bar none.

LOADpro Test Leads - Makes doing voltage drop testing by yourself easy and quick, without having to worry about finding a suitable load, how to backprobe molded connectors, etc. I use them pretty much daily, but they might be more useful for someone in an automotive or heavy equipment/truck shop than for a shadetree/homeowner.

Relay Test Jumper Kits both of them (and the test lead kit that goes with them) - While they aren't a tool that sees everyday use, they are terribly handy for getting into circuits and testing operation under load. Sometimes they are the best way to see what's going on before resorting to tracking down hidden connectors or cutting open wiring harnesses.

Fuse Saver Kit (or the Master Kit) - Which are great for tracking down pesky intermittent electrical demons that eat fuses. If you're cheap, a standard 5024 sealed beam headlight bulb along with some jumper wires can accomplish pretty much the same thing. (if it lights up you have a short, and the bulb limits current to the circuit to protect it)

A Fuse Socket Connector Set is handy for getting into fuseboxes, and *really handy* when paired with a standard ATC fuse holder and a low amp probe.

I've also got a handful of connectors clipped off of wiring harnesses with alligator plugs on the ends of the wires, for making testing easier on some of the more common components. Hit up a junkyard with a set of wire cutters, and grab the ones that look useful.

Retractable test leads in different lengths are always handy, and keep your toolbox a little more organized. I've also got a couple sets of test leads that are homemade that have aviation style circuit breakers in them.

I've found that a lot of electrical troubleshooting isn't so much about the tools you have, but your ability to improvise as needed to troubleshoot problems. As an example, you can use a tool like a set of noid lights for checking for electrical pulses that might be too quick for your meter. Don't limit yourself to thinking that a tool like a noid light is only useful for one type of job such as checking injectors. I've used them for all sorts of things over the years.
 

royesses

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 28, 2009
Messages
789
+1 on what Stick said, and after buying a decent AC/DC clamp meter, how did I ever get by without one. Mine is a cheap Craftsman, same is sold under a couple brands, needs the zero button pressed each time I power it on, but otherwise, it works fine, $54 on sale now.
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-digital-clamp-on-ammeter/p-03482369000P

I have that meter - paid $29.00 on sale - works great. Also a low amp model for parasitic drain tests would be good, amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000W8HD6O/?tag=atomicindus08-20
 

Stick

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 12, 2007
Messages
2,302
Location
Alaska
Wow, labscopes and thermal imagers for a guy looking at powerprobes and test leads? That's kind of like recommending a Maserati for a guy looking at a Civic for a daily driver...

I'm a big proponent of labscopes for shop use and troubleshooting, but I don't think that's quite what he's looking for.
 

TheCarbideRat

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 25, 2009
Messages
536
Location
a laundromat
try out a few scopes b4 u think abwt getting 1. If i were you i would save up for a power graphing meter. After i got 1 my scope has mostly stayed in the cabinet. But for now think about a logic probe. With this u can get alot of info with 1 hookup of ONE tool. A mac tools 60A ammeter may be an affordable way to go for shorts. Hit the books and talk to others.
 

yasha32

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 19, 2011
Messages
148
Wow, labscopes and thermal imagers for a guy looking at powerprobes and test leads? That's kind of like recommending a Maserati for a guy looking at a Civic for a daily driver...

I'm a big proponent of labscopes for shop use and troubleshooting, but I don't think that's quite what he's looking for.

You can get cheapies on handheld devices that double as a scope. It is full featured but its a nice touch....

we went overkill :lol_hitti
 

PrecisionTools

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 4, 2011
Messages
703
Location
Victoria, Australia
Wow, labscopes and thermal imagers for a guy looking at powerprobes and test leads? That's kind of like recommending a Maserati for a guy looking at a Civic for a daily driver...

I'm a big proponent of labscopes for shop use and troubleshooting, but I don't think that's quite what he's looking for.

He did ask if there was anything he was missing. :) Should I have suggested a Maserati?
 
OP
S

scott37300

Well-known member
Joined
May 5, 2010
Messages
3,450
Location
Wisconsin
You may want to get a labscope.

Ya I wouldn't mind having one but don't think that's in the budget anytime soon! Before a labscope or thermal imager I think I would get a really nice code reader.

I've got all kinds of electrical troubleshooting tools both homemade and store bought, but here are some of my favorites:

The Fundamental Electrical Troubleshooting Shopbook - I keep recommending this one, but that's just because it's so damn good. It's electricity explained in a way like mechanics think, using terms that the average person can understand.

AES' Electronics Accupuncture Probes - The best backprobes on the market, bar none.

LOADpro Test Leads - Makes doing voltage drop testing by yourself easy and quick, without having to worry about finding a suitable load, how to backprobe molded connectors, etc. I use them pretty much daily, but they might be more useful for someone in an automotive or heavy equipment/truck shop than for a shadetree/homeowner.

Relay Test Jumper Kits both of them (and the test lead kit that goes with them) - While they aren't a tool that sees everyday use, they are terribly handy for getting into circuits and testing operation under load. Sometimes they are the best way to see what's going on before resorting to tracking down hidden connectors or cutting open wiring harnesses.

Fuse Saver Kit (or the Master Kit) - Which are great for tracking down pesky intermittent electrical demons that eat fuses. If you're cheap, a standard 5024 sealed beam headlight bulb along with some jumper wires can accomplish pretty much the same thing. (if it lights up you have a short, and the bulb limits current to the circuit to protect it)

A Fuse Socket Connector Set is handy for getting into fuseboxes, and *really handy* when paired with a standard ATC fuse holder and a low amp probe.

I've also got a handful of connectors clipped off of wiring harnesses with alligator plugs on the ends of the wires, for making testing easier on some of the more common components. Hit up a junkyard with a set of wire cutters, and grab the ones that look useful.

Retractable test leads in different lengths are always handy, and keep your toolbox a little more organized. I've also got a couple sets of test leads that are homemade that have aviation style circuit breakers in them.

I've found that a lot of electrical troubleshooting isn't so much about the tools you have, but your ability to improvise as needed to troubleshoot problems. As an example, you can use a tool like a set of noid lights for checking for electrical pulses that might be too quick for your meter. Don't limit yourself to thinking that a tool like a noid light is only useful for one type of job such as checking injectors. I've used them for all sorts of things over the years.

Thanks Stick. I think the first one I want is a power probe III, I really like my original PP and have used it for lots and lots of remote starter and alarm installs over the last 10 years. I think the PPIII will be a nice upgrade.

I also want to get a good set of backprobes. Also looking at the Loadpro that comes with the fundimental troubleshooting book. Since the book is almost 40 bucks might as well pay a few more bucks and get the tester also.

I agree with it's not so much the tools but the ability. But any tools that make the job easier for someone with average skills is a good investment in my opinion. Example being the power probe to send voltage to something in order to test it, or a backprobe to be able to test a wire without having to hack the insulation apart. While ultimately the user skill will determine the ability to test the tools can give the user an edge.

Any examples where each tool would be used? Like the loadpro for instance? Just looking for some example of what each tester might be used for so I can decide which ones I might use more.
 

Danglerb

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 6, 2007
Messages
9,736
Location
SoCal
Shop around a little, PP3 was $100 shipped from Amazon, LoadPro something like $45, ditto everything else. ;)

Loadpro lets you check the "quality" of a connection. What looks like 12v with no load may look like 8v or even just 11v with a slight load, indicating a dirty or poor connection.
 

oldtools

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 15, 2008
Messages
2,706
My suggestion is to get a scanner instead of a code reader. HF got a nice one on sale for $120. Use 20% coupon to get it lower. Keep a lookout for an inexpensive Labscope on CL. I got the Interro Labscope for $110 from CL. I also got the Fluke 123 for $420 (little pricey).
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Stick

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 12, 2007
Messages
2,302
Location
Alaska
I agree with it's not so much the tools but the ability. But any tools that make the job easier for someone with average skills is a good investment in my opinion. Example being the power probe to send voltage to something in order to test it, or a backprobe to be able to test a wire without having to hack the insulation apart. While ultimately the user skill will determine the ability to test the tools can give the user an edge.

Any examples where each tool would be used? Like the loadpro for instance? Just looking for some example of what each tester might be used for so I can decide which ones I might use more.

Anywhere you're checking for voltage in a connector, you can use the loadpro leads. Diesel Research linked one of the loadpro videos on youtube, but there are a couple others up there (also look under "teslite"). I found that once I wrapped my head around the idea that there are only three electrical faults (open, short to ground, high resistance), and started asking "should it be this way" in regards to what the meter was showing me, doing electrical troubleshooting became a little easier.

I use low amp probes a lot to see what's going on with a circuit both with a labscope and a meter, so using fuse socket connectors with a fused wire loop is a quick way to get into circuits easily without having to track down individual wires in a wiring harness. Stuff like power window regulators, blower motors, power lock solenoids, etc. The relay test jumpers can be used the same way (with a jumper wire), or they can be used to check for power/ground without probing into the relay sockets or affecting other operation of the circuit.

I find my powerprobe 3 handy, and I'll usually grab it for quick checks of components, but it's not usually the tool I use for in-depth troubleshooting. Anything that takes more than three or four minutes, I'll usually put away the powerprobe and go grab my Vantage graphing meter just because it's a lot more capable, and the ability to look at readings over time comes in handy when troubleshooting.
 
OP
S

scott37300

Well-known member
Joined
May 5, 2010
Messages
3,450
Location
Wisconsin
Anywhere you're checking for voltage in a connector, you can use the loadpro leads. Diesel Research linked one of the loadpro videos on youtube, but there are a couple others up there (also look under "teslite"). I found that once I wrapped my head around the idea that there are only three electrical faults (open, short to ground, high resistance), and started asking "should it be this way" in regards to what the meter was showing me, doing electrical troubleshooting became a little easier.

I use low amp probes a lot to see what's going on with a circuit both with a labscope and a meter, so using fuse socket connectors with a fused wire loop is a quick way to get into circuits easily without having to track down individual wires in a wiring harness. Stuff like power window regulators, blower motors, power lock solenoids, etc. The relay test jumpers can be used the same way (with a jumper wire), or they can be used to check for power/ground without probing into the relay sockets or affecting other operation of the circuit.

I find my powerprobe 3 handy, and I'll usually grab it for quick checks of components, but it's not usually the tool I use for in-depth troubleshooting. Anything that takes more than three or four minutes, I'll usually put away the powerprobe and go grab my Vantage graphing meter just because it's a lot more capable, and the ability to look at readings over time comes in handy when troubleshooting.

When you say low amp probe is that the same thing as a low amp clamp for a DMM? I've been meaning to look for some decent amp clamps for a while now, a low and high.

I think my first choice is going to be a PP3. This is just for home use so a vantage pro and thermal imager and lab scope aren't in the budget, would love a scope sometime down the road but for now I will stick to some of these basic tools. I think the PP3 will be handy for using as a test light and also being able to send power to things to test them out. I think for a home wrencher it could be one of the more useful electrical testing tools. I also am going to get the load pro that comes with the trouble shooting book, mainly because I want the book and the tool is only a few more bucks with the book. Also thinking about adding some backprobes and other DMM leads.

Stick, how does a how to on basic electrical testing tools and methods sound in the next few months? Some of the basics like for example if an instrument cluster that isn't illuminating. Or fuel pump electrical issue. Or ohming out sensors. Or things like how a fuel level sending unit works and how to test out the ohms. Some of the basics with the more basic tools, DMM, PP3, loadpro, etc.

Thanks for all the advice so far. Looks like it's time to start spending some more money.
 

TheCarbideRat

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 25, 2009
Messages
536
Location
a laundromat
fuc the loadpro. You can make your own, especially cheep if u live near a Upullit, just get a few sealed beams. I keep my homemade one in plastic bins that fit them just right and they occupy their corner of 1 of the electrical drawers in my box. Then u can take the $ u save and buy that book mentioned by another poster.
 

Danglerb

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 6, 2007
Messages
9,736
Location
SoCal
fuc the loadpro. You can make your own, especially cheep if u live near a Upullit, just get a few sealed beams. I keep my homemade one in plastic bins that fit them just right and they occupy their corner of 1 of the electrical drawers in my box. Then u can take the $ u save and buy that book mentioned by another poster.

Sure, now you have the same secret as the Chinese, once you take somebody elses great idea its cheap to make a copy.

The LoadPro is like $45 and a high quality set of leads you can leave in the meter all the time. Use it ONCE and its paid for.
 
OP
S

scott37300

Well-known member
Joined
May 5, 2010
Messages
3,450
Location
Wisconsin
fuc the loadpro. You can make your own, especially cheep if u live near a Upullit, just get a few sealed beams. I keep my homemade one in plastic bins that fit them just right and they occupy their corner of 1 of the electrical drawers in my box. Then u can take the $ u save and buy that book mentioned by another poster.

Do you have any pictures of this?
 

TheCarbideRat

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 25, 2009
Messages
536
Location
a laundromat
i believe the OP will find the load pro is rarely needed in automotive. Thats my take after 25 yrs in the grease but nobody nd take me serious. After the novelty and bling wear off u will leave it in your box in favor of standard leads which are less cumbersome. Once in a while it will be needed, thats all folks.
 

TheCarbideRat

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 25, 2009
Messages
536
Location
a laundromat
Do you have any pictures of this?

i'd be happy to oblige but my laptop fizzed and im posting from my cellphone. I will describe it though. Its made of two H4 powered auxillary driving lites which fit exactly into one of those yellow bins that come in those briefcase style Stanley organizers found at home depot and amazon. The 2 lites fit in there nice. Drilled 2 holes in the bottom where i have paired sets of red and black 14Ga wire coming out about 3 ft each with alligator clips on each of the 4 ends of wire. So i got 4.5A or 9A loads to pick from since the H4s draw 4.5 each. When there is a bad wire it shows exactly how bad in the dimness / brightness of the bulbs. It also works great for wiggle testing.
 

Stick

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 12, 2007
Messages
2,302
Location
Alaska
i believe the OP will find the load pro is rarely needed in automotive. Thats my take after 25 yrs in the grease but nobody nd take me serious. After the novelty and bling wear off u will leave it in your box in favor of standard leads which are less cumbersome. Once in a while it will be needed, thats all folks.

I think we get the fact that you don't think the leads are useful. On the other hand, I wouldn't have recommended them if they weren't something that I didn't use every day... It's not just the ability to supply the load, the hollow tips save endless frustration trying to get a good connection with a pin, they take standard threaded accessories like alligator clips, and they are only a few dollars more than a set of "good" test leads like Fluke or Pomona.

Are they needed for voltage drop testing? Probably not, as long as you have a load handy like a window regulator or a taillight. Are they still useful? Absolutely, especially now that I'm seeing more and more wiring faults in modern vehicles, on circuits that don't use a traditional load. They make testing quicker and easier when you don't have to worry about testing across a load, or finding a suitable load for the circuit, and that's why I use them.

i'd be happy to oblige but my laptop fizzed and im posting from my cellphone. I will describe it though. Its made of two H4 powered auxillary driving lites which fit exactly into one of those yellow bins that come in those briefcase style Stanley organizers found at home depot and amazon. The 2 lites fit in there nice. Drilled 2 holes in the bottom where i have paired sets of red and black 14Ga wire coming out about 3 ft each with alligator clips on each of the 4 ends of wire. So i got 4.5A or 9A loads to pick from since the H4s draw 4.5 each. When there is a bad wire it shows exactly how bad in the dimness / brightness of the bulbs. It also works great for wiggle testing.

The problem with using sealed beams for a load, especially with today's vehicles, is that you aren't always working with a dedicated circuit. Lots of faults are found on computer controlled circuits, and a 4.5A or 9A load can be enough to damage the computer. The loadpro leads provide a roughly .5A load in a 12V circuit, which is much safer for the computers to deal with.

This isn't to say that sealed beams aren't a useful testing tool. If you look at my first post, I said they were a viable alternative to the Fuse Savers I also recommended. Plenty handy, just a different tool for a different type of job.
 
OP
S

scott37300

Well-known member
Joined
May 5, 2010
Messages
3,450
Location
Wisconsin
Well I got a nice Christmas bonus from my boss yesterday, thank you if he reads this since he's a member on here also!

So it's time to place an order for some of these tools. I want the PP3, http://www.tooltopia.com/power-probe-3ls01.aspx for sure, think it's a good tool to have. I also am thinking I will get the loadpro with the fundamental electrical troubleshooting book. The combo isn't much more than just the book and I can see it coming in handy.

So there is 200 bucks spent. Now to figure out what else to add to the order. I've been meaning to get a low amp clamp for a while now, Stick-is this what you keep calling a low amp probe?

Are backprobes just a mall set of leads for getting into connectors without damaging them?

Lots of other things like fuse buddies(several different styles) and fuse savers and different test leads and all sorts of little things.

Since I'm probably going to be ordering from tooltopia and will get free shipping any other must haves to add to my order of a PP3 and loadpros and maybe amp clamp?
 

diesel research

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 12, 2010
Messages
5,440
Location
gulf coast, TEXAS
The problem with using sealed beams for a load, especially with today's vehicles, is that you aren't always working with a dedicated circuit. Lots of faults are found on computer controlled circuits, and a 4.5A or 9A load can be enough to damage the computer. The loadpro leads provide a roughly .5A load in a 12V circuit, which is much safer for the computers to deal with.

Yes, I would be mighty angry if someone tried to pull 4.5A through a sensor reference wire.

On the other hand, for the cheap bastards out there that insist on making their own, pin 85/86 of a standard relay is a more suitable load for a sensitive circuit.

Of course, load pro makes it somewhat easier since they have already done the resistor/drop math.
 

Stick

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 12, 2007
Messages
2,302
Location
Alaska
Now to figure out what else to add to the order. I've been meaning to get a low amp clamp for a while now, Stick-is this what you keep calling a low amp probe?

Yes, most people use the two terms interchangeably. AESwave has a well reviewed low-amp probe that's fairly inexpensive, and IIRC it's the same one used in the Picoscope kits.

Are backprobes just a mall set of leads for getting into connectors without damaging them?

6095397352_eaf2e629b5.jpg


Here's a backprobe along with the cheap alternative (T-pins). I prefer actual backprobes, mostly because it's easier to fit them into small spaces, and they are a little smaller in diameter as well. They fit between the wire and the connector and just slide down the wire until they touch the metal pin in the connector shell. It's worth sacrificing a few junk connectors to practice on until you get the hang of using them.

Lots of other things like fuse buddies(several different styles) and fuse savers and different test leads and all sorts of little things.

If you're getting a low amp probe, save your money on the fuse buddies and just grab a set of the fuse socket connectors and a cheap ATC fuse holder. That ends up being a much more flexible setup for future use.

6105304098_ca2b6f6f20.jpg
 
OP
S

scott37300

Well-known member
Joined
May 5, 2010
Messages
3,450
Location
Wisconsin
Yes, most people use the two terms interchangeably. AESwave has a well reviewed low-amp probe that's fairly inexpensive, and IIRC it's the same one used in the Picoscope kits.



6095397352_eaf2e629b5.jpg


Here's a backprobe along with the cheap alternative (T-pins). I prefer actual backprobes, mostly because it's easier to fit them into small spaces, and they are a little smaller in diameter as well. They fit between the wire and the connector and just slide down the wire until they touch the metal pin in the connector shell. It's worth sacrificing a few junk connectors to practice on until you get the hang of using them.



If you're getting a low amp probe, save your money on the fuse buddies and just grab a set of the fuse socket connectors and a cheap ATC fuse holder. That ends up being a much more flexible setup for future use.

6105304098_ca2b6f6f20.jpg

Thanks for the pics Stick, they really help.

I loaded up the tooltopia cart last night waiting for the kids to fall asleep so Santa could come! So far I have in the cart,

A PP3 with the lead kit, http://www.tooltopia.com/power-probe-3ls01.aspx
PPR3LS01.jpg


A loadpro set with the fundamental electrical troubleshooting book, http://www.tooltopia.com/electronic-specialties-181.aspx

ESI181.jpg


The fuse adapters you recomended, http://www.tooltopia.com/sheffield-research-gtc-ct6100.aspx

SHFCT6100.jpg


Also added the two sizes of fuse buddys. I know you said to save my money and get fuse holders but for 12 bucks each I figured might as well, didn't think I would save to much by building my own. Can you explain or give some examples of how building my own will come in handy for future use? I can always put a set of fuse holders together later if they will be better than the fuse buddys but for now the 12 bucks seemed like a good deal.

ESI307M.jpg


I thought about getting the fuse saver kit for 50 bucks but these are adding up pretty fast so will wait on those for now. Unless you think they are more important than some of the other tools I have in my cart?

Also I have started a cart at AES. So far have the accupuncture backprobes you recomended and the amp clamp you recomended.

http://www.aeswave.com/products/Product.asp?i=161
05-762thumb.jpg


http://aeswave.com/Products/Product.asp?i=59
07-60_thumb.gif


Does this seem like a good start and choices for spending 400 bucks? Or would you recomend anything else instead of what I have listed? 400 is on the high end of what I wanted to spend but I think I will be able to do most of anything I will need for now with these tools short of buying a scope.

Thanks for the advice and let me know what you think of my selections.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom