Electricians

[eddie1278]

I don't care what anyone says. No way in hell a DIYer that has done a couple or more basic electrical projects is going to be better then a pro that does it EVERYDAY for a living. A PRO served an apprenticeship of usually 5-8000 hours in the field along with schooling. A DIYer watches Youtube and comes on garage journal and reads some stuff and automatically becomes the know all be all in the electrical world Then after reading some basics his balls grow then he starts bashing the professionals

The funny thing is lots of DIYers believe what ANYONE on forums and youtube say as factual. They don't even ask these people for credentials and proof that they are trained and qualified...they just believe everything they read or see. If it sounds good it's true I guess. I was always told that the one who talks the most knows the least, and the ones who can't do it teach it.

 

[-Brent-]

I don't know if you're referring to me but I'd have no problem posting up pics of my work. Hell, it took me three times as long as a contractor but every inch has been verified as correct by multiple industry professionals. I'd never say I'm better than a contractor because it's not in my nature to do so... however, when I go about a project I know it'll be done right because I'm not afraid to learn/ask questions/etc.

 

[eddie1278]

I don't know if you're referring to me but I'd have no problem posting up pics of my work. Hell, it took me three times as long as a contractor but every inch has been verified as correct by multiple industry professionals. I'd never say I'm better than a contractor because it's not in my nature to do so... however, when I go about a project I know it'll be done right because I'm not afraid to learn/ask questions/etc.

Not directed at you just a general statement to the comments "it's not rocket science"

"verified by multiple industry professionals" ? So you had an electrician watch you work?

 

[ddawg16]

I don't care what anyone says. No way in hell a DIYer that has done a couple or more basic electrical projects is going to be better then a pro that does it EVERYDAY for a living. A PRO served an apprenticeship of usually 5-8000 hours in the field along with schooling. A DIYer watches Youtube and comes on garage journal and reads some stuff and automatically becomes the know all be all in the electrical world Then after reading some basics his balls grow then he starts bashing the professionals

The funny thing is lots of DIYers believe what ANYONE on forums and youtube say as factual. They don't even ask these people for credentials and proof that they are trained and qualified...they just believe everything they read or see. If it sounds good it's true I guess. I was always told that the one who talks the most knows the least, and the ones who can't do it teach it.

Somewhat of a contradiction there.....but, as you say....we can't believe ANYONE on forums....hence, we don't have to believe you that you can do better work than I.

But...I'm willing to bet that I CAN do as well as you if not better. I may be as fast (I'm not getting paid by the hour)....but I really doubt there is anything you can do electrically that I can't do as well if not better.

And rather than this be a war of words.....just check out the links in my signature....a garage...a 2-story addition...and my jeep. What do you offer as proof?

 

[DekeT]

I don't care what anyone says. No way in hell a DIYer that has done a couple or more basic electrical projects is going to be better then a pro that does it EVERYDAY for a living. A PRO served an apprenticeship of usually 5-8000 hours in the field along with schooling. A DIYer watches Youtube and comes on garage journal and reads some stuff and automatically becomes the know all be all in the electrical world Then after reading some basics his balls grow then he starts bashing the professionals

The funny thing is lots of DIYers believe what ANYONE on forums and youtube say as factual. They don't even ask these people for credentials and proof that they are trained and qualified...they just believe everything they read or see. If it sounds good it's true I guess. I was always told that the one who talks the most knows the least, and the ones who can't do it teach it.

There are always people that will do a bad job, even professionals. There are always people that will do a great job, even professionals. Some people do their homework and some don't. Some are careful and diligent, some aren't. So your broad brush of "I was always told that the one who talks the most knows the least, and the ones who can't do it teach it." is akin to "Then after reading some basics his balls grow then he starts bashing the professionals".

My point is that the DIY does not have to do it better than the professionals. He only needs to do it safe and to code with reasonably good looking workmanship. He is not competing with the pro for time, profit, or aesthetics. What is "better" becomes subjective.

 

[zmaxmotorsports]

According to the pontification and fear mongering of some of the previous posters-your house must be condemned and you must move out immediately,as it is on the verge of turning into an electrical fireball,scorching
its occupants to a certain fiery death if not electrocuting first...

Let me guess,no AFCI,GFCI,grounding protection,it must be horrifying living in that house with the ghosts of all the previous occupants who have been maimed and killed by the demon electricity!

 

[zmaxmotorsports]

I don't care what anyone says. No way in hell a DIYer that has done a couple or more basic electrical projects is going to be better then a pro that does it EVERYDAY for a living. A PRO served an apprenticeship of usually 5-8000 hours in the field along with schooling. A DIYer watches Youtube and comes on garage journal and reads some stuff and automatically becomes the know all be all in the electrical world Then after reading some basics his balls grow then he starts bashing the professionals

The funny thing is lots of DIYers believe what ANYONE on forums and youtube say as factual. They don't even ask these people for credentials and proof that they are trained and qualified...they just believe everything they read or see. If it sounds good it's true I guess. I was always told that the one who talks the most knows the least, and the ones who can't do it teach it.

Hell I dont know ,Ive seen really really ****** work done by licensed hacks.
I made my living fixing other peoples screw ups for many years,and many of them were my licensed competitors.
Ive also seen many jobs done by home owners that were nicer than most the stuff my journeyman helpers were turning out.
As far as those who cant teach,I tought electrical and plumbing classes for many years to keep up my continuing education requirements for my electrical contractors license and master plumbers licenses.
I did electrical/heating-cooling/plumbing and boiler contracting for many years before hanging it up ,now I just do work for certain old customers who wont take no for an answer.
Anytime you want to test out that "those who cant, teach" theory feel free to let me know!

 

[PCO6]

I don't care what anyone says. No way in hell a DIYer that has done a couple or more basic electrical projects is going to be better then a pro that does it EVERYDAY for a living. A PRO served an apprenticeship of usually 5-8000 hours in the field along with schooling. A DIYer watches Youtube and comes on garage journal and reads some stuff and automatically becomes the know all be all in the electrical world Then after reading some basics his balls grow then he starts bashing the professionals

The funny thing is lots of DIYers believe what ANYONE on forums and youtube say as factual. They don't even ask these people for credentials and proof that they are trained and qualified...they just believe everything they read or see. If it sounds good it's true I guess. I was always told that the one who talks the most knows the least, and the ones who can't do it teach it.

Does this apply to all things technical or just things that are electrical?

 

[MrMark]

Eddie (whom for some reason I thought was banned) should offer up his exegesis of epistemology.

For, he theorizes that only an electrician can have knowledge of the true facts as to whether something is done correctly. According to Eddy, there are no objectively verifiable facts when it comes to residential electrical correctness. Only the all knowing electrician (which Eddy at one point even denied being) can ascertain such facts.

Such rubbish.

 

[eddie1278]

Eddie (whom for some reason I thought was banned) should offer up his exegesis of epistemology.

For, he theorizes that only an electrician can have knowledge of the true facts as to whether something is done correctly. According to Eddy, there are no objectively verifiable facts when it comes to residential electrical correctness. Only the all knowing electrician (which Eddy at one point even denied being) can ascertain such facts.

Such rubbish.

What drugs are you on? Why would I be banned because you don't agree with what someone posts? I have been an electrician for 20 years and I run a business. And it's spelled Eddie

 

[eddie1278]

Somewhat of a contradiction there.....but, as you say....we can't believe ANYONE on forums....hence, we don't have to believe you that you can do better work than I.

But...I'm willing to bet that I CAN do as well as you if not better. I may be as fast (I'm not getting paid by the hour)....but I really doubt there is anything you can do electrically that I can't do as well if not better.

And rather than this be a war of words.....just check out the links in my signature....a garage...a 2-story addition...and my jeep. What do you offer as proof?

My business and 100s of satisfied customers over the years.

 

[zmaxmotorsports]

Heres some plumbing that was done by a licensed journeyman with 20 plus years of experiance who worked for me for a couple days.
He got all pissy with me and if I could do it better I should do it myself.
He didnt see a problem with the fitting being glued on by 1/4" of pipe on this stevie wonder chop job,I dont think a home owner watching you tube could do much worse.

 

[MrMark]

What drugs are you on? Why would I be banned because you don't agree with what someone posts? I have been an electrician for 20 years and I run a business. And it's spelled Eddie

The Christmas goose comes to mind.

At one point you told us you were 35 and now you've been an electrician for 20 years. I suppose you dropped out of high school in 9th grade and became an electrician right at 15.

At another point you told us you were a handyman

And I quote from your prior post,

I give my neighbor shi^ about is tools. He is a handyman and technically I am but my main trade is electrical. Anyway he brags about all the tools he has in his double garage but it's mostly chinese **** and HF ****.

So where is your license?

 

[eddie1278]

The Christmas goose comes to mind.

At one point you told us you were 35 and now you've been an electrician for 20 years. I suppose you dropped out of high school in 9th grade and became an electrician right at 15.

At another point you told us you were a handyman

And I quote from your prior post,

I give my neighbor shi^ about is tools. He is a handyman and technically I am but my main trade is electrical. Anyway he brags about all the tools he has in his double garage but it's mostly chinese **** and HF ****.

So where is your license?

I normally dont bite on internet trolls but what the hell I'm kinda bored. First I like to thank you for your major interest in my life that you remember things I say out of everyone here...thank you

Next learn how to read better "my main trade is electrical" I am an electrician. I do other work on occasion that is not electrical work.

Yep I actually started earlier then 15 as a helper. If you want to get technical of when I was officially considered an electrician that was about 15 years ago.

 

[eddie1278]

Heres some plumbing that was done by a licensed journeyman with 20 plus years of experiance who worked for me for a couple days.
He got all pissy with me and if I could do it better I should do it myself.
He didnt see a problem with the fitting being glued on by 1/4" of pipe on this stevie wonder chop job,I dont think a home owner watching you tube could do much worse.

These pictures are from a DIYer and told me "it worked fine that way for years" I see stuff like this from the DIY crowd all the time. Like I said before it's the bulk of my money making.

All the DIYers that think they are better then a trained electrician feel free to tell me ALL of the code violations in these pictures. ALL of them. NO electricians chime in please. Just doing this for fun.

 

[MrMark]

You've posted that before. I had far worse in my own house done by a licensed electrician.

Box fill exceeded.
Neutral connected to ground.
Open KO's in box.
Lack of cable securing connectors.
Open box.
metal box not grounded that I see.
Perhaps no mechanical connection on the taped wires, can't tell until opened up.
White wire not marked as line.

How's that? Did I get them all?

Are you licensed. Yes or no.

 

[jrsulo]

These pictures are from a DIYer and told me "it worked fine that way for years" I see stuff like this from the DIY crowd all the time. Like I said before it's the bulk of my money making.

All the DIYers that think they are better then a trained electrician feel free to tell me ALL of the code violations in these pictures. ALL of them. NO electricians chime in please. Just doing this for fun.

Man that's a mess !!!!!

 

[eddie1278]

You've posted that before. I had far worse in my own house done by a licensed electrician.

Box fill exceeded.
Neutral connected to ground.
Open KO's in box.
Lack of cable securing connectors.
Open box.
metal box not grounded that I see.

How's that?

I know what I post no need to confirm it with me...
As far as the pics...I dunno are you asking me or telling me? I've seen tons of stuff in my career your point? Look I'm not here to troll with you. Its been fun keep on hating on the pros but ultimately we aren't going anywhere

 

[Rocket79]

Oh, the "certified electrician", who thinks he has cornered the market on knowledge. And basic electrical principals require some kind of special brain power. Just like the local plumber, who thinks nobody understands how to glue pipe or run a proper vent.

That's ********. period.

I'm an Electronics Tech, specializing in computer controlled equipment/vehicles. Do I think a shade-tree guy couldn't repair things as "correct" as I can. NO. Probably would take him a little longer, and he might have to come to a web forum like this to confer with others, but the job would more likely-than-not be just fine. Basic household electrical, and the normal guy's ability to do it, is no different.

 

[eddie1278]

Oh, the "certified electrician", who thinks he has cornered the market on knowledge. And basic electrical principals require some kind of special brain power. Just like the local plumber, who thinks nobody understands how to glue pipe or run a proper vent.

That's ********. period.

I'm an Electronics Tech, specializing in computer controlled equipment/vehicles. Do I think a shade-tree guy couldn't repair things as "correct" as I can. NO. Probably would take him a little longer, and he might have to come to a web forum like this to confer with others, but the job would more likely-than-not be just fine. Basic household electrical, and the normal guy's ability to do it, is no different.

Nobody said anything about BASIC the DIYers on here are claiming to be better then the pro electricians PERIOD. Anyone can learn the basics of everyones job. I do my own taxes but I don't claim to be better then an accountant because I do my own taxes.

 

[Rocket79]

Well, you're the on posting pic of code violations. While a lot of "electrical code" is written to prevent the ultimate mistake of a fire, no intelligent individual is lost on the idea that is was written mostly by electricians trying to protect their own jobs. If you make something complicated enough, you get a lot of people who will just hire someone to do it, rather than figure it out for themselves. I understand what you guys do is important, but if it was really that damn difficult, you wouldn't be so threatened by Joe Homeowner taking the time to figure it out himself.

My statement was merely that Joe could probably do it right, for a lot less money. I'm pretty sure I could.

 

[-Brent-]

Not directed at you just a general statement to the comments "it's not rocket science"

"verified by multiple industry professionals" ? So you had an electrician watch you work?

No, I didn't. And, it's a little silly (passive aggressive) that you'd say that. Does that sound feasible to pay someone to watch me work? C'mon. However, I did have all the re-work (actually all the work) checked by a licensed electrical contractor and the city's electrical inspector. But because I'm not an electrician I couldn't pull off a rewire?

I took it on because we got ripped off and I'm smart enough to work through the issues until it's correct.

 

[eddie1278]

Well, you're the on posting pic of code violations. While a lot of "electrical code" is written to prevent the ultimate mistake of a fire, no intelligent individual is lost on the idea that is was written mostly by electricians trying to protect their own jobs. If you make something complicated enough, you get a lot of people who will just hire someone to do it, rather than figure it out for themselves. I understand what you guys do is important, but if it was really that damn difficult, you wouldn't be so threatened by Joe Homeowner taking the time to figure it out himself.

My statement was merely that Joe could probably do it right, for a lot less money. I'm pretty sure I could.

I'm simply replying to the attacks on the pros that's all. Believe it or not most of the time a DIYer actually spends MORE trying to do it themselves. Buying wrong materials, making mistakes and doing it over, buying tools they dont have... For example they think "I'll wire my house up using all 12-2 because it's bigger wire" "I'll put in all 20 amp receptacles because I'm using 12-2 wire it's required"again

 

[zcar751]

Just what is the 'enormity?' I've never know anyone who has been electrocuted either to the state of maimed or death. In fact, far more people die from falling off ladders than a LOT of things. Not saying in the least that we shouldn't respect all codes but that some of the argument here is flawed.

And we should be able to rescind some provisions of the code when reasonable. Or unreasonable, as it were.

In 2011 there were 47,700 fires related to electrical issues in homes with 418 fatalities and 1.4 billion dollars in damage. That is pretty enormous in my mind and buy the way only 300 died from ladder falls.

 

[-Brent-]

And, Eddie, this brings up a topic a few of my poker buddies have had previously. Around the table there were educators, a writer, a general contractor, and a nuclear physicist. We all agreed that there are professions where you can read books (alone) and attain the knowledge to perform yet that's not the case for someone like our scientist buddy.

Do you think an electrician is in the category of a higher intelligence or that the knowledge can be acquired by reading books?

 

[eddie1278]

And, Eddie, this brings up a topic a few of my poker buddies have had previously. Around the table there were educators, a writer, a general contractor, and a nuclear physicist. We all agreed that there are professions where you can read books (alone) and attain the knowledge to perform yet that's not the case for someone like our scientist buddy.

Do you think an electrician is in the category of a higher intelligence or that the knowledge can be acquired by reading books?

Yes an electrician is in the category of a higher intelligence. Some people think we only wire houses and play with romex. They seem to forget the commercial and industrial work. Also lots of things in residential can be easy for a mechanically inclined individual but when it comes to troubleshooting they are lost. Anyone can nail on a box to a stud. I'm sure lots of people can wire a receptacle but are the terminations done right? Believe it or not the simplest things are what I repair the most.

You can read anything about anything but you definitely need hands on real world training to do this job. Books are good for theory but the mechanical side is a large part of the job too.

 

[zmaxmotorsports]

In 2011 there were 47,700 fires related to electrical issues in homes with 418 fatalities and 1.4 billion dollars in damage. That is pretty enormous in my mind and buy the way only 300 died from ladder falls.

How do these fires break down as actual causes?

 

[-Brent-]

Yes an electrician is in the category of a higher intelligence. Some people think we only wire houses and play with romex. They seem to forget the commercial and industrial work. Also lots of things in residential can be easy for a mechanically inclined individual but when it comes to troubleshooting they are lost. Anyone can nail on a box to a stud. I'm sure lots of people can wire a receptacle but are the terminations done right? Believe it or not the simplest things are what I repair the most.

You can read anything about anything but you definitely need hands on real world training to do this job. Books are good for theory but the mechanical side is a large part of the job too.

Hands on and real world experience and training is just that - not a higher intelligence. Our buddy, the nuke scientist, he understands principles and concepts that aren't found in real world practice/training.

So, I guess I just disagree.

I was part of a group of three guys that wired a multi-million dollar tunnel washer with a conveyer system to elevated commercial dryers. It was complex, for sure. However, all I had to do was follow schematics. I learned how to read a schematic in high school. Same thing with troubleshooting and fixing commercial laundry equipment. I never took a specific course but had some training in high school, working with my dad, and real world experience.

I'm pretty average when it comes to intelligence, I can be honest about that. However, I do a fair amount of research to become proficient at things I want to accomplish - including asking those with real world experience/knowledge.

 

[ddawg16]

In 2011 there were 47,700 fires related to electrical issues in homes with 418 fatalities and 1.4 billion dollars in damage. That is pretty enormous in my mind and buy the way only 300 died from ladder falls.

Hmmm......fear mongering?

Wiring and related equipment accounted for the largest share (63%) of 2007-2011 home structure fires involving electrical distribution or lighting equipment, followed by lamps, light fixtures, and light bulbs (20%), cords and plugs (11%), and transformers and power supplies (6%). Cords and plugs accounted for larger shares of civilian deaths (30%) and injuries (21%) than of fire incidents (11%) associated with home electrical distribution or lighting equipment fires.

Three-fourths (74%) of 2007-2011 home structure fires involving electrical distribution or lighting equipment cited some type of electrical failure or malfunction as a factor contributing to ignition.

The majority of 2007-2011 home structure fires involving electrical distribution or lighting equipment began with ignition of products and materials often found in structural areas, including wire or cable insulation (32%), structural member or framing (16%), insulation within structural area (6%), and exterior wall covering (5%).

Nearly half (44%) of deaths in 2007-2011 home structure fires involving electrical distribution or lighting equipment resulted from fires that began in a living room, family room, or den (23%) or bedroom (21%).

Nearly two-thirds (64%) of deaths in 2007-2011 home structure fires involving electrical distribution or lighting equipment involved victims who were outside the area of origin when injured. By comparison 47% of fatal victims for all home structure fires were outside the area of origin when injured.

Home structure fires involving electrical distribution or lighting equipment, in 2007-2011, show a winter peak similar to that for heating equipment but less pronounced.

And twice as many people died falling out of chairs and beds vs ladders.....

But all of this pales in comparison to the almost 40,000 people who died on our roads.....

If people held the same passion for safety on the roads as they do the electrical wiring in our homes....our roads would be a lot safer...

 

[eddie1278]

Hands on and real world experience and training is just that - not a higher intelligence. Our buddy, the nuke scientist, he understands principles and concepts that aren't found in real world practice/training.

So, I guess I just disagree.

I was part of a group of three guys that wired a multi-million dollar tunnel washer with a conveyer system to elevated commercial dryers. It was complex, for sure. However, all I had to do was follow schematics. I learned how to read a schematic in high school. Same thing with troubleshooting and fixing commercial laundry equipment. I never took a specific course but had some training in high school, working with my dad, and real world experience.

I'm pretty average when it comes to intelligence, I can be honest about that. However, I do a fair amount of research to become proficient at things I want to accomplish - including asking those with real world experience/knowledge.

DIYers will never agree with pros it's how it is and always was. You can think what you want but it takes intelligence to be an electrician.

 

[CNGsaves]

Be careful Ddawg . . . . IF drivers actually became TRAINED at what they do (ie driiving), were careful, didn't engage in gross negligence activities of distractions, etc . . . . . . . . then . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . there might NOT be need for cops ???

Surely in overall scheme of things, electrical trade can't be too worried about homeowners becoming educated on what is SAFE, and able to plan and ask questions BEFORE any electrical work is done that might actually be unsafe.

My recent overview of "pro electrician" work on house build in Joplin, has lot to be desired. Within just over year, an 80+ yr old homeowner is having electrical problems in brand new house.

 

[eddie1278]

Be careful Ddawg . . . . IF drivers actually became TRAINED at what they do (ie driiving), were careful, didn't engage in gross negligence activities of distractions, etc . . . . . . . . then . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . there might NOT be need for cops ???

Surely in overall scheme of things, electrical trade can't be too worried about homeowners becoming educated on what is SAFE, and able to plan and ask questions BEFORE any electrical work is done that might actually be unsafe.

My recent overview of "pro electrician" work on house build in Joplin, has lot to be desired. Within just over year, an 80+ yr old homeowner is having electrical problems in brand new house.

Can we see proof of this bad electrical work that the pro did? I hear this a lot of DIY forums but nobody ever produces proof. I can show proof of DIY **** work all day and night long and showed an example earlier.

 

[-Brent-]

DIYers will never agree with pros it's how it is and always was. You can think what you want but it takes intelligence to be an electrician.

My posts were not a dig at your intelligence.

I do know, however, that I could become a licensed, proficient electrician and I'm not a rocket scientist.

 

[eddie1278]

My posts were not a dig at your intelligence.

I do know, however, that I could become a licensed, proficient electrician and I'm not a rocket scientist.

I didn't take it as a personal dig I know my skills.
Yes anyone can do what another man does if he is properly trained and experienced.

 

[CNGsaves]

Can we see proof of this bad electrical work that the pro did? I hear this a lot of DIY forums but nobody ever produces proof. I can show proof of DIY **** work all day and night long and showed an example earlier.

Read to your heart's content . . . . . and IF you're ready to make Joplin roadtrip to cure problems in 15-month-old house, I'd be happy to arrange for your free services , to correct prior "pro electrician" barebones skimpy job!!

I've fixed for free one of 80+ yr old homeowner's problems (she is also widow of dead USA serviceman), but she still can't reliably use her countertop burners without it tripping the breaker !!

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=224001&highlight=joplin

 

[-Brent-]

Can we see proof of this bad electrical work that the pro did? I hear this a lot of DIY forums but nobody ever produces proof. I can show proof of DIY **** work all day and night long and showed an example earlier.

I hope this thread gets locked or deleted because I'm losing confidence in your rebuttals. You're saying you've never fixed another electrician's work?

I've repaired or corrected plenty of prior work. We don't live in Utopia, man. I'm calling BS.

But, since you've asked - I've got a ton of "pro work" photos. It wouldn't be hard to avoid this:



He didn't use a stud finder or a hole saw.

Here's another gem, no consideration to actually plugging something into the receptacle in the future - never mind no thought toward finish work.



All this junk work is gone... as well as the wire junctions without a box, loose connections, the 40%+ of loose wires in the load center, the open or neutral reversed receptacles. Oh, there was also a live wire just hanging out in the crawl space.

 

[MrMark]

What's funny about that so-called DIY box he posted is that I had ones done by a licensed PRO virtually identical but sadly worse. Box fill grossly exceeded; neutral connected to ground? yep. Worse yet, the guy ran multiwire branch circuits with three hots for one neutral and all hots on the same phase. He cut the ground off of every light can - did not believe in them. Every conduit so jammed with wires that you could not get a ground through (oh yeah, no ground) with a come along. Need to get a romex cable into a box with a metal conduit? Just cut off the conduit and shove the romex down there. Live wires left in walls? Yep. How about buried boxes? A couple of those. The guy had a nice van though.

Ever look at a new house being wired? Every box is crooked. The drywall guy will fix it. Need some holes? Just take that 1" X 18 auger and go around the house drilling every stud at an angle, corners included, no need for one of those Milwaukee right angle drills. Takes too long. Every outlet backstabbed. The list goes on. Hard to say who does a crappier job on a tract build, or even an unsupered custom, the plumber or the electrician.

In fact, I would argue that a "PRO" would be more likely to connect the neutrals to the grounds than a DIY'er. The PRO knows just enough theory to know that there is return current through the white wire and the ground and the white wire ultimately get connnected so why not parallel them up?

 

[ddawg16]

Allow me to point out that MrMark is an attorney (business stuff....he has been on a ride-along with me). I'm amazed at his knowledge of electrical even though it's not his profession....hence, he is a DIY'er.....I would trust advice from him over a 'Pro'.

Now....lets look at my panel.....which is NOT finished....I'm sure some of you are going to find some 'code' violations...



Yes, I know I'm not supposed to have that knockout through the back...but...in my case I have a 'issue'....this load center is on a 2C shear wall. I can not have more than 4 sq" of hole in the wall. I had a good talk with my inspector....one option.....do a bunch of holes through the OSB and then up through the bottom of the panel (which does not have enough holes for everything I needed)...or two big holes...he said do the two big holes...wires are supported on the back side. Bottom line....there is NO other way for me to get my wires in.

Next....your going to give me grief about my conduit....did I derate? Yes and no...I'm using 90C THHN/THWN...I'm fine on the oven....borderline on the other ckts....but the inspector was not worried about derating...I'm not close to my max wire fill and my loads are so small...it's fine. If someone comes along and gets their knickers in a twist...I'll swap out the 20a breakers for 15a...and the 15's for 10's.

I used nail block where necessary....all of my holes for romex are centered in the stud and drilled straight....all of my outlets are pigtailed....no back stabs.

I've done voltage drops tests on all the ckts and they are right where they should be.

I can run any power tool I have off any of my AFCI ckts with no issues (did that for a year upstairs)

My electrical is solid.....I have 0 worries about it.

 

[NUTTSGT]

What drugs are you on? Why would I be banned because you don't agree with what someone posts? I have been an electrician for 20 years and I run a business. And it's spelled Eddie

He's not on drugs, you were warned and didn't listen. I gave you a temp ban, hoping that you would learn and be a productive member of GJ. Apparently, I was wrong and you failed to learn, even with your higher level of intelligence.

Garage Journal is a great place for professionals and DIYers to learn and to help each other. It's not a place to piss, moan and ***** about he said/she said.

This isn't the site for you, I suggest, since you are bored, to find another place to hang out.

 

[Falcon67]

Finn McMissile: My apologies, I haven't properly introduced myself. Finn McMissile, British Intelligence.
Mater: Tow Mater, average intelligence.

If a person applies themselves enough and has the metal capacity, there are not many limits to what that person can accomplish. Be it wiring an outlet, radio astronomy, etc. David Levy for example (co-discoverer of comet Shoemaker-Levy) was an amateur but holds a Masters in English. Lots of amateurs turn out superior quality work in many fields.

That said, there is a reason an apprenticeship is part of getting from ground zero to a Master's License. There at lot more to the discipline than black/white/green wires.