elroy was banned is that permanent?

[ng8264723]

He used to have some informative posts

 

[nelstomlinson]

Don't know how he got banned, but do sort of miss him.

 

[DadsTools]

His member page might still be visible, but you'll have to find an old post he commented on and click the name. You can then search his last posts to see what may have been said. From what I recall, he was an eccentric.

 

[PelicanPines]

From experience, it's best not to question why. Moderators here are skilled.

If there was an offending post... 99.99% chance it's gone.

If it was a thread... it's probably been sanitized.

 

[BlakeTheCarGuy]

Didn’t notice he was gone lol


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[woody 73]

Yes permanent.

Although sometimes they give a person a timeout then they can comeback (at least I have been told that; not sure who told me that) ?

 

[LB-1911]

Last Activity: 01-01-2020 06:15 PM

Elroy

 

[ecotec]

Didn’t notice he was gone lol


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You could not help but notice. He was really eccentric. He was almost unforgettable. He constantly referred to himself in third person, among other kooky mannerisms.

 

[larry4406]

Last Activity: 01-01-2020 06:15 PM

Elroy

I'm surprised its that recent honestly. I liked his posts as well. I remember him from a long time ago.

I liked his thread on building metal socket holders with a bail/handle to contain them.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47412

 

[rustyjames]

His Hein Warner Jack rebuild was/is a GJ classic. I have lot of respect for people who take the time to cover a topic in that detail.

 

[BlakeTheCarGuy]

You could not help but notice. He was really eccentric. He was almost unforgettable. He constantly referred to himself in third person, among other kooky mannerisms.

It says he hasn’t posted in 8 years lol I haven’t been on here for 8 years so I probably missed him by a little.


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[Lassen Forge]

Lassen Forge had no idea Elroy had been around that recently.

I had to do some research on that one - I think he predated me by a bit.

 

[Packard V8]

GJ is one of the more tolerant fora out there. Getting banned from GJ requires some excesses.

Another very good machinery forum, Old WoodWorking Machinery, brooks no foolishness:

Old WoodWorking Machines Forum Rules:

Your OWWM Membership: Your membership here is a privilege and not a right. As a member you agree to abide by all the rules of the OWWM Forums. Your membership can be temporarily suspended or revoked at any time for any reason as determined by the site administrators. Excessive rule breaking or egregious offenses will result in a full banning.

Religion: Do not post about religion.

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***: Do not post about ***.

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Online Auction: Do not post a link to, description of or allude to any online auction sites. This includes finished auctions, Buy It Now and auction site seller's 'Store' listings.

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Disputes: Do not air your dirty laundry here.

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Vulturing: Do not ask someone to part out a machine.

Chumming: Do not advertise a sale on any forum other than Bring Out Your Dead.

Rants: Do not post rants.

Loop Holes: Do not explore loop holes to get around any rules listed here.

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Electrical Topics: Discussion of permanently installed building wiring systems is not allowed. This includes service entrance conductors, panel boards, circuit breakers, branch circuits, and any portion of branch circuits leading to and including a receptacle (outlet) or disconnecting means, otherwise known as permanently installed electrical work.

Allowable electrical topics include wiring within an old woodworking machine, including the motor(s) and controls. Discussion of RPC or VFD wiring is allowed, but only insofar as it pertains to the devices themselves, or control of the devices, not the portion dealing with supply wiring, circuit breakers, branch circuits, receptacles, nor any other part normally associated with permanently installed building wiring systems.

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The Old Woodworking Machine Forums:
What follows are brief descriptions of the Old WoodWorking Machine forums and their purpose. Additional rules that directly apply to these forums are listed with that forums description.


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This forum is for the discussion of Old WoodWorking Machines. OWWM is defined as any machine that is twenty years old, or older, or a machine that is no longer manufactured.

Allowed topics include those about machines, machine repair and restoration, machine parts, machine set-up, machine maintenance, paper, machine or company history and memorabilia specifically related to OWWM. Additional allowed topics include discussions of tools or machines used in a specific repair and/or restoration of an OWWM.

Discussions of old woodworking portable power tools are also allowed.

Please note, gloats will be moved to SWARF at the discretion of the administrator. After you've gotten it out of your system and have some questions or comments about your machine(s) please feel free to post those on the Old Woodworking Machines forum.


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Please format your subject line with the event title and something descriptive after it (location, dates, schedules, etc)

For example: [MWTCA Meeting] Chicago, 12/25/96 or[CAMA 2010] Volunteers Needed!

Woodworking Projects Forum: The projects forum is for your use to post pictures of woodworking projects you are currently working on or to ask/give advice about how to proceed with a project. It is our own little wooddorking forum for those who, well, actually use their machines.


Bring Out Your Dead (BOYD): The BOYD rules are posted on the BOYD forums.

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All items are subject to the same rules of what's allowed on BOYD.

Include in the subject line where your item is located and where it needs to go.

In the body of your request, be sure to list what it is you're moving along with weights, physical dimensions and number of pieces, as applicable. You will find people a lot more willing to help if you don't make them work harder than they need to.

If you are concerned with your request revealing a machine you are currently trying to keep under wraps, use a similar machine description.

List any willingness to contribute to the Ruckerer's gas fund up front. Most people are too polite to ask and you don't want people to avoid you over something you're willing to offer in the first place. Likewise, if you are offering services, list your financial requirements up front. There is nothing wrong with asking for payment for your services.

List any time sensitivities. Most people are more than willing to help, but we all have jobs and lives. If you need something moved in 2 days and someone assumes 3 weeks is acceptable, well, you get the point.

In the event that you find someone to pick up, store and/or move an item it is your responsibility to coordinate the Rucker until the end.


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The usual reason given for violating or wanting to violate the rule is that the violator/potential violator feels that the item will go for under what an OWWM member would be willing to give or the item will be lost to a non-member. With the former it’s pretty unlikely that another member hasn’t already seen it. With the latter, that’s life and no one has yet decreed that all good deals should go to an OWWM forum member.

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jack vines

 

[PugetDude]

GJ is one of the more tolerant fora out there. Getting banned from GJ requires some excesses.

Another very good machinery forum, Old WoodWorking Machinery, brooks no foolishness:


jack vines

OWWM has 45,000 members
GJ has 232,000 members.


BTW, I guess I never considered fora as the plural for forum.
Would you refer to a group of Elvis impersonators as Elvi? (asking for a friend)

 

[rcbaldwinjr]

He's active as of 12/08/20 over on garagegazette.com..

 

[Kev442]

The "dark side" was going to be wide open, none of that overbearing moderation for them! That lasted about six months.




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[The Cobbler]

looks like his banning was 5 months ago. seems that Ryan would be open to him coming back if he asked.

 

[crguy]

OWWM has 45,000 members
GJ has 232,000 members.

The moderator on OWWM is a real piece of work. I left in no time. I asked something in a PM, giving my view, and his reply included "I don't give a rosy red rats a** what you think".

GJ is, in my opinion, the best forum I've ever come across. Hope it never leaves.

 

[Kurt4440]

I haven't seen a post by Elroy in a very long time, but, there was quite a change when the other site started.

 

[Negen]

I liked that he talked about things he did in 3rd person.

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[Sal Bandini]

I heard he was banned for posting a non-tool related question in the General Tool Discussion subforum.

 

[manwithtools]

I heard he was banned for posting a non-tool related question in the General Tool Discussion subforum.

I see what you did there

 

[ng8264723]

Really Sal?
Newbie!

 

[Todd.Brock]

That guy was like talking to a potted plant.


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[Sal Bandini]

Really Sal?
Newbie!

The sarcasm font must've been disabled.

 

[justanengineer]

Pretty sure he was banned a few years before I took my recent 5-year break. Great guy tho, I’ve interacted with him here and elsewhere and found it enjoyable.


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[Downwindtracker 2]

Obviously different forums have different focuses and levels of civility. The levels of expertise vary as well. My interest in mechanics tools, both current and vintage has been well served . I've learned a lot. Lately I've noticed a even better tone here as well. Though nothing like the gentle helpfulness on the hobby machinist forums.

I've been on some hunting forums for 20 years.

 

[davethorik]

The moderator on OWWM is a real piece of work. I left in no time. I asked something in a PM, giving my view, and his reply included "I don't give a rosy red rats a** what you think".

GJ is, in my opinion, the best forum I've ever come across. Hope it never leaves.

Yeah owwm *****. That place is like a cult, every time you log on gotta drink some purple kool aid or else. Bunch of nasty, self righteous know it alls. Also ppl joke about free parking being a retirement home here, I think the avg age on owwm is about 82-83.

 

[macgee]

Yeah owwm *****. That place is like a cult, every time you log on gotta drink some purple kool aid or else. Bunch of nasty, self righteous know it alls. Also ppl joke about free parking being a retirement home here, I think the avg age on owwm is about 82-83.

owwm is totally tame compared to Practical Machinist. It's actually sad with all nastiness and narcism on PM; what do they say, misery loves company? There's actually some really nice and very knowledgeable people but get outweighed by the others and there is a common thread/attitude to quickly snap at people that goes way beyond topics of machine shops. There's a lot of negativity over there.

Owwm/Vintage machinery has been very helpful and some very nice & informed members over there as well but they can be very serious about their machines and protocols but thats why its so good, knowledgeable and informative.

Being pleasant, helping others and having empathy & gratitude goes a long way in life and why GJ is nice to visit.

 

[Davefr]

Yeah owwm *****. That place is like a cult, every time you log on gotta drink some purple kool aid or else. Bunch of nasty, self righteous know it alls. Also ppl joke about free parking being a retirement home here, I think the avg age on owwm is about 82-83.

I disagree. The average members there are extremely helpful. They've helped me with some really scarce parts at what I thought were very reasonable prices. Their knowledge base is extensive.

The moderator can have a 'tude but it's his forum, his rules. Follow them and you'll be fine.

 

[justanengineer]

I enjoy OWWM/OMWM’s dedication to the early equipment and haven’t had issues with the forum. Attending a few of their in-person events OTOH I have found the opposite of issues actually and it’s kinda weird how friendly they are. Several times at the check-in/registration table somebody asks all about you, then insists on giving a quick tour and introducing you around the show like an old buddy. Again, not bad but a bit strange imho.

PM is what it is - a professional shop forum. Like most, they don’t tiptoe around others feelings or treat adults like children, they act like adults and expect the same. If you’re easily offended then beware. Post basic/apprentice/hobbyist questions and expect to get flamed or banned. Post a decent question showing a bit of knowledge and effort to find the answer before posting and you’ll get good help. Post an idiotic bs answer and you’ll be told in no uncertain terms that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Personally I like it bc ultimately you get good answers from knowledgeable professionals on really small niche subjects, not 1M hobbyists repeating the same incorrect bs like on many of these hobbyist forums.


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[macgee]

PM is what it is - a professional shop forum. Like most, they don’t tiptoe around others feelings or treat adults like children, they act like adults and expect the same. If you’re easily offended then beware. Post basic/apprentice/hobbyist questions and expect to get flamed or banned. Post a decent question showing a bit of knowledge and effort to find the answer before posting and you’ll get good help. Post an idiotic bs answer and you’ll be told in no uncertain terms that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Personally I like it bc ultimately you get good answers from knowledgeable professionals on really small niche subjects, not 1M hobbyists repeating the same incorrect bs like on many of these hobbyist forums.

I've been a member way longer on PM than I have on GJ and I have to agree with you to certain point. PM members almost seem to be online for the sole purpose to jump on a thread and rip them new ****#&^. It's not healthy or conductive.

I've been a machinist for a long time (33 yrs) with a shop restoring vintage machinery and I keep getting blown away when I've see PM members with such vitriol attitudes posting regularly. The subset of the members there are a certain type, dare I say narrow sometimes. One pro jumps harshly on another machinist pro because they ask a question that seems dumb because that pro works on the other side of the shop specializing in something else and he went online asking for help thats new to him.

Yes, its a pro forum, silly questions get asked by newbie's and get flogged out of the forum but they also jump way too easily on some valid questions from another pro machinist looking for answers on subject there not familiar with. Its like no one over there has gotten laid in the last 10 yrs.

I think its much more rewarding helping others and if I see something silly non-relevant; I choose to move on quietly; rather than act out on it.

Again, being pleasant, humble helping others and having empathy & gratitude goes a long way in life. And no, I don't go to church. Actually, I do, its my shop

 

[NUTTSGT]

looks like his banning was 5 months ago. seems that Ryan would be open to him coming back if he asked.

Your time line is off slightly, 7/30/12 is when he was banned.

It says he hasn’t posted in 8 years lol I haven’t been on here for 8 years so I probably missed him by a little.


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You were like 10 years old when he was banned.

 

[The Cobbler]

Your time line is off slightly, 7/30/12 is when he was banned.

LOL, can't read with my glasses, can't read without them

 

[pizza]

GJ is one of the more tolerant fora out there. Getting banned from GJ requires some excesses.

Another very good machinery forum, Old WoodWorking Machinery, brooks no foolishness:

Old WoodWorking Machines Forum Rules:
...

on the contrary, i find (some of) those rules rather foolish.
however, i do like that they have clearly defined rules.

 

[BlakeTheCarGuy]

Your time line is off slightly, 7/30/12 is when he was banned.











You were like 10 years old when he was banned.

Haha yeah you are correct.


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[sk farmer]

tell elroy that he is top shelf. elroy has helped sk farmer on more than one occasion to acquire needed advice and items. sk farmer received a card and some fine words when his father died and was struggling with direction. something no one else from this forum did. elroy may have told some people where the bear shits in the woods over the years but mostly when they had it coming.

sk farmer will be sure to let elroy know people are talking about him and apologises to elroy in advance for his lack of skill in using third person.

sk farmer proudly wore one of his favorite shirts today when he saw elroy in the news.

 

[rustyjames]

Rustyjames agrees that Elroy was/is a Champion on this board and would like to see him here again.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Elroy was banned and told to email Ryan if he wanted back in. So either he didn't or his email didn't go over well.

So, either way, I'd guess that was on Elroy why he didn't come back.