Enforcing Shop Rules?

[LXCam]

Good advice, but I'm not sure I want to. He hired a guy to help him with it and agreed to pay him 300 for labor. The day he had to move it he told him he wasn't getting paid because they never shook on it. Pretty low IMO.

Sounds like the kind of ****** that needs a taste of his own medicine.

 

[Chukster]

To the OP:

You are certainly in the right here with your actions.

Regarding your parents' input: As a parent myself, I'm often more concerned with "maintaining the peace" than I am with "meting out justice". I don't view that as good or bad..it's just the nature of the gig.

So...my advice would be to cut your Dad some slack. He's doing the best he can and it is his garage after all.

Good luck!

Phil

I can see the part about 'keeping the peace' myself, sometimes that's important. But sometimes even parents are wrong. YOU laid out the rules, nummnuttz violated the rules, not just once but several times. He's the one that burned the bridge, not you.

 

[Kaizen]

Parents said I was burning bridges. I thought it was a good bridge to burn, but I figured I would see what others thought.

took me 30 years to figure out what you just did. selfish people deserve nothing and will take advantage of you when given the chance.
only never burn a bridge fully if you will benefit from something that you need them for. most times people like this have nothing to offer.

 

[creativecars]

What about all the bad asses who say "Rules are made to be broken?"
Where are they? Post after post saying go getem'.
I think bwringer said it well. He screwed up and now he will pay the consequences by not having access to the building. We will all wake up tomorrow and now you have learned a lesson about that friend.

 

[Arps]

Easy.

Your place, your rules.

 

[BDT/NWMN]

Free shop and tool (?) use, plus free labor..

All governed under the "Rules" of Your "Friend"

I'm thinking You, Your Dad, and the Unpaid Laborer should meet for pie and Pepsi or Coffee; and make sure the three of You totally understand how this event took place...

Your "Friend" may resemble one character I have dealt with; who would do his best to ploy other people against each other for his pure amusement... In other words, a pure con-artist who only cared about himself..

 

[M-technik-3]

Why is the question even being asked???????

Seriously why?

He took advantage of you, did not compensate you or offer to for the tire nor did he owe up to his end of the agreement. As matter of fact you were nice for allowing him to come get his stuff.

Rant over in my opinion.

 

[graffix000]

You are in the right to kick him out. I would have done so after not cleaning up the second time.

That is just disrespect in my eyes. If it were me, I would have cleaned up the place to make it better than when I arrived. Same with borrowing tools/equipment. Always returned in the same or better shape. If I mess it up, I replace it.

 

[tdkkart]

I've found it easiest to just not have friends. The worst part is that I tend to be a very generous person, especially with friends, so I help the out or just flat give the stuff when they need it. The problem comes up later when I need something and they don't return the favor in the least. Just a lot easier without them.

 

[simpler=better]

If he was really a friend, he wouldn't have been so inconsiderate.

This guy knows what's up.

 

[rayra]

If he was really a friend, he wouldn't have been so inconsiderate.

This. OP needs to re-appraise his relationship definitions. No doubt this inconsiderate assclown you call 'friend' royally abused your tools, too.

 

[scooz14]

i wont even let my family use my shop without me there, much less friends. too much liability and id be a nervous wreck

 

[Norcal]

I have one simple rule,, no spittin tobacco on the garage floor,, especially that leaf stuff like red man (or days o' work) where you get a stream of syrup

Anyone who did that around me would have a strong chance of being puked on.

 

[NewShockerGuy]

You are nicer than I would have been. I lost my **** when my friend placed a hammer on the TOP of my toolchest instead of opening the drawer and putting it in. Told him **** doesn't go ON TOP a painted surface...

If your friend was that much of a douche by not cleaning up then you are 100% right for telling him he's not welcome back. I can understand a friendly reminder the first time even though if it was a person that actually cared for your stuff, it wouldn't be needed at all... but things happens and sometimes people forget. The second time things were a mess I would have just come over and said hey man, what's the deal?? You can't clean up, therefor you can't be here anymore, please leave.

It's ok and perfectly fine to assertive to people. A lot of people like to sugar coat things and not offend people. If everyone likes you then you have done something wrong...lol

Friend=DOUCHE.
Ditch him and move on. And if he has that much of a problem tell him to **** a D.

I might add as well, if this is a grown *** adult and you have to tell them to clean up after themselves then you should tell them they are no longer welcome in your shop. Could you go to their house, make a mess and not expect them to get mad or want you to clean up? **** it, try that. Go to his house and make a mess. If he doesn't get mad then you know that's how he lives (which is another problem), if he gets pissed about the mess then he's a super douche!

-Nigel

 

[crewchief888]

first off ,i'll state that i dont have many friends,
but those i do consider my friends, wouldnt think of even asking to get into my garage if i wasnt around.

just my $0.02

 

[ovilla]

A good friend will borrow your truck and then return it after it's been washed and filled with gas. They would also respect your shop rules and be thankful to even have a place to work out of - especially one that is also equipped with all the expensive tools and machines that are needed.

Sorry but this guy would have been sent home after the first incident. If he can't follow simple shop clean up rules, how do you think he will do when it comes to correctly using your machines and tools.

Just remember this. What you tolerate, you encourage,

 

[4 FN 27]

Respect for other property is always an issue.

Years ago I had a 24 foot Featherlite enclosed trail which I quit using when I got a new Featherlite Gooseneck. I decided to keep the 24 footer in case I needed to use it in the winter keeping the other one salt free. I had it parked next to the building and let only friends use it. That went on for about 5 years until one day I went to use it myself.

I opened the door and it feel off in my hands. I looked inside and the Aluminum walls were all dented and scratched and the cabinets we dinged also. I sold it and bought a new one.

One night I got a call from a friend who had used it before asking to barrow it again. I told him no since I had bought the new one explaining how the other got trashed. And he said something that really hit home:

"Just think you only barrowed it to people you trusted."

Since then nobody is allowed to barrow my trailers or other things unless I know they have the funds to write me a check for 100% full replacement value. That list is really really short.

It was my bad not to check the trailer out after each time it was barrowed.

The only person I allow to use any of my trailers, trucks tractors or tools is my Brother-in-law. He takes care of things the same way I do.

 

[Junkmanryan]

Thanks for the input guys. Tomorrow is the day that he usually comes. I left everything locked up before I left Wednesday night. It may get ugly. Will keep everyone posted.

 

[MattVette89]

Good advice, but I'm not sure I want to. He hired a guy to help him with it and agreed to pay him 300 for labor. The day he had to move it he told him he wasn't getting paid because they never shook on it. Pretty low IMO.

That guy is a class A turd and you're better off without having him as a "friend".

 

[Junkmanryan]

That guy is a class A turd and you're better off without having him as a "friend".

On the last day, he ended up having now way to move it whole, and it had to be dissembled. He wouldn't do it himself, so I let the guy he screwed do it... his own way. At least a little bit of karma was served.

 

[countryroad82]

On the last day, he ended up having now way to move it whole, and it had to be dissembled. He wouldn't do it himself, so I let the guy he screwed do it... his own way. At least a little bit of karma was served.

Awesome! as for the original post, my shop, my rules. Don't like it? Get out!

 

[losdudes]

The only person that will use my shop is my son, and not without me present. I don't loan anything to anyone. I've been buying and collecting my tools for 45 years, when I'm gone everyone can fight over them.

When I was youg, I was using my fathers tool box one night working on my car. It was getting dark, I was in a hurry, got the car running and ran over his tool box. Needless to say he was pissed. I bought him a new box and never asked to use them again.

 

[Richard D]

Best way I have found to get rid of someone undesireable is to loan them money and ask for it back every time you see them. Usually doesn't take long.

 

[alfazer]

My worse nightmare is someone in my garage when I'm not there. It gives me the creeps thinking about it and writing this.
I don't even leave a key around for my wife in case she lets someone in who is looking to borrow a tool.

 

[66HertzClone]

My worse nightmare is someone in my garage when I'm not there. It gives me the creeps thinking about it and writing this.
I don't even leave a key around for my wife in case she lets someone in who is looking to borrow a tool.

We have a woman that comes to our house every weekday, she cleans, does laundry, and is there when our son gets home from school as both wife and I work.

I went ballistic one summer afternoon a couple of years ago, came home at my usual time and found an extra car in the driveway. I went in the house and looked outside at the pool, was surprised to find this woman, her two daughters, what appeared to be someone's mother or grandmother, and the husband swimming in the pool along with my son. I made a drink and quietly went outside and sat under the gazebo up on the deck and waited to be noticed. Since my son was there I didn't want to have him witness or overhear my thoughts and reaction.

Once I was noticed, they pretty quickly packed up and left, the husband stopped to comment on how nice my Mustang was and how impressed he was with the workshop and tool collection. That evening the wife and I had a pretty heated discussion, in the end the husband was never to come to our house again. Any swimming parties would be requested in advance, to this day it has not happened again.

Sure is nice having the eight security cameras that give an excellent view of the property. The Lista cabinets and storage closets are all locked up during the week.

 

[Daniel Dudley]

The guy is a liar and a cheat. He is not your friend.

You need to tell your father he cheated that other guy out of 300 dollars, and that you don't want him around anymore.

Be careful. People who lie and cheat often borrow things on their way out.

 

[nadogail]

When you politely asked him to clean up, and he continued to disregard your " request " he blew it at that point.

"Friends" like that, you do not need.

 

[OccupantRJ]

In my opinion, people are too ready to call someone a friend just because they know them at some casual level. I have 7 friends, and a hell of a lot of acquaintances. There IS a difference, and that difference is the level of trust, which has to be earned over time. All 7 of my true friends I have known for a minumum of 27 years, and most of them for around 45 years. I can leave my shop open for any one of them with no problem, but they never ask, because they all have their OWN shops. My brother in law, one of the friends, knows where I keep the spare key. I will be installing a power deadbolt this weekend so there will then be no key to keep up with. Choose who you call your friends wisely.

 

[LS6 Tommy]

He wouldn't have been using my shop at all, for no other reason then Liability...

Tommy

 

[Junkmanryan]

Well, he didn't come today. Considering that a win. We'll see if he tries to show up this weekend.