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Epoxy Coating over pitted concrete

Clstackhouse

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I'm about to add an Epoxy-Coat 100% solids floor to my garage. Prep work is completed - Diamond ground floor, but still have some minor pitting areas which need to be repaired. I've successfully used a couple Rust-Oleum Concrete Patch kits already on a couple of the smaller areas, but still have a couple areas with minor pitting (1/16 " deep) which I'd like to smooth over, and wondering if:
A) can I simply expect the Epoxy-Coat (one color coat with flakes, followed by one clear coat) to adequately smooth and hide the pitting?; and B) is there an inexpensive alternative to Rust-Oleum Concrete Patch which would work for a larger surface area? (Rust-Oleum is expensive and doesn't cover much area/kit) I already ordered and tried a two-gallon Performance Pave Patch kit from Epoxy-Coat, but found it to be too "gritty" with even 2/3 of the supplied aggregate added to successfully smooth over the pitting.

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Hi,
No liquid epoxy will smooth out 1/16 which equals about 63 mils and your coating will lay out maybe at 10 so any imperfections will telegraph through.

You can repair this with a cementious skim coat like Ardex or Laticrete (we carry this) and then coat. We would strongly recommend you also prime the floor as you will have different levels of porosity. Our ARMORCLAD primer is compatible with your epoxy brand.

Another solution is to switch to a full fleck broadcast which will hide well imperfections, but you will need much more material, flecks, two layers of topcoat and primer. Cost is well over double of a standard epoxy floor.
 
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Thanks for the quick response! I have been considering a primer coat, however Epoxy-Coat advises against it, not entirely sure why. The other problem I'm running into is that I am trying to complete the project this weekend, and guessing other than a primer from one of the big box stores I'm probably out of luck getting a higher quality primer before Monday😀

May just use some more Concrete Patch on the remaining pitting, and apply the Medium Gray epoxy and clear coat and hope for the best!

Thoughts?
 

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Just as a tip, the home improvement centers do not carry epoxy primers. Don't get a concrete paint primer confused with a true epoxy primer or you will have a much bigger problem on your hands.
 
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Thanks Scott, so would you recommend your NOHR-PRIME product for my floor? Any special prep required for the Rustoleum Concrete Patch & Repair areas? Sanding?
 
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Whatever you do, please prime. Since you are in a pinch, we have had customers use XIM UMA primer which is locally available.


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Thanks Scott, so would you recommend your NOHR-PRIME product for my floor? Any special prep required for the Rustoleum Concrete Patch & Repair areas? Sanding?

Anytime Sir.
Nohr-Prime or our Standard Epoxy Primer is great.
Yes, hit the patches with a grinder/sander to open them up, wipe away any dust.
 
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Re: Epoxy Coating over pitted concrete - COATING COMPLETE!

Following a couple of weeks of start/stop floor prep, and agonizing over etching/grinding; priming or not; and which product(s) for patching pitted areas, I finished the floor coating the other day! (pictures attached) After using the acid etch which came with the Epoxy Coat Full Premium Kit (Medium Gray color coat, and clear coat), I ended up renting a Diamond Grinder. The acid etch just didn't seem to have much effect on the cement. Patched the pitted areas with Rust-Oleum Concrete Patch & Repair (5 kits) - expensive, but easy to work with and left a nice smooth finish. Also tried Epoxy-Coat Pave Patch with aggregate - seems like a good option for deeper holes/pitting, but for shallow pitting the recommended aggregate amount resulted in an overly "grainy" mix which I ended up having to grind down with my 4 1/2" angle grinder w/diamond grinder blade before coating. Also went with recommendations above to use a primer - Legacy Industrial Standard Primer - 55% solids, Dark Gray. I feel this resulted in a better surface for the Epoxy-Coat with a more uniform color & porosity to accept the coating. Not sure why Epoxy-Coat recommends against primer, just seems to make sense, and I believe resulted in a better finish for my floor.

On to the actual coating:

Day 1: Primer coat - took about an hour for final sweep & shop vac of floor, tape edges, and applying primer using 9" roller. I skipped the roller pan and dipped right into the 5-gallon bucket which I used to blend the two-part epoxy primer.

Day 2: 20 hours after primer, color coat went smoothly, great product to work with! Dump on floor near the back wall, spread with squeegee, roll, and flake – a little more than hour (Temp in low 70’s low humidity). Used about 2 lbs. of the 5-lb. bag of 3-color flakes included with the kit.

Day 3: Clear coat – after the primer and color coat, the clear coat went very quickly! Used squeegee and back-rolled, didn’t bother with taping walls or edging with brush, felt like a “squeegee pro” after the color coat! Pour product onto floor, distribute with squeegee, back roll bi-directionally with roller, just like the directions say, works great.
Findings/tips/lessons learned:
• Prep is everything, but at some point you need to move on and apply epoxy! I probably could have done more/better prep, but the more you do the more imperfections in your floor you find and you can go crazy trying to make an old concrete garage floor perfect.
• For my 480-sq. ft. floor, the Legacy primer coat (2 gallons) just made it and I could see where the bare concrete areas soaked up the primer; the Epoxy-Coat color coat easily made it with just a little left over (started a little thick at first then realized after the first batch - 1/2 the kit - that I wasn’t going to have enough, so used the squeegee to re-distribute what was already down, then rolled and flaked the first ½ and moved on to the 2nd and final batch. All ended well, although I admit to panicking for a minute! Plenty of clear coat, could have easily gone thicker or covered a slightly larger floor with the amount included in the kit.
• Although I used some pressure to roll the primer coat, with the thicker color & clear coats it felt like the purpose of the squeegee is to simply distribute the product, then pulling the roller across the surface both directions “finishes” the surface, with no additional pressure (unlike painting a wall with latex)
• The shoe spikes really help, but can be treacherous! I learned to take baby steps and keep my feet flat on the floor after almost falling on my *** a couple of times 😊 Also, I bought a better pair than the ones included with the kit, and they had shorter spikes which seemed more “stable”, and had better straps to keep them attached. Don’t forget to tighten the spike nuts before wearing them, I had a couple of hand-tightened nuts come off in my color coat before properly tightening them.
• Invest in a good quality 18” squeegee, the one which comes with the kit is too small. Also, a long pole helps – I used an 8’ pole and it made the spreading & rolling much easier.
• Don’t expect the coating to hide un-patched flaws (cracks, pitting, etc.) I left some shallow pitted areas and they were still visible with the color coat – a little less so after the clear coat, but if you look closely you can still see some “ripples”, even though the clear coat finish feels smooth. I also had some bubbles/fish eyes show up overnight, even though I primed. Not a big deal for me, but if you are looking for a perfect finish, realize that they may not show up immediately after rolling the surface. I just popped them and sliced some with a razor blade – I know they’re there, but the casual observer probably won’t see them.
• FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS – Good prep, clean buckets, thorough mixing of product, etc.

I’m very happy with the finished result, huge improvement over the bare cement! Thanks to the Forum for great advice and guidance!
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hondaguy1482

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Did you grind/sand down the epoxy repair before putting down primer?
How did you spread it to keep it uniform and smooth?

Ive been trying to use some and am finding that it is just too thick to really push down into shallow holes with a large blade. Most of the areas I have gone over are showing pinholes which may or may not show up in the epoxy coat. Seems like it may need grinded down smooth and another coat put on.

I've also noticed that it doesn't lay completely even the first time around. Larger pits tend to shrink (even though it says it doesn't shrink)

I'm curious of your strategy
 
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