Hello All, I’m looking for some assistance with my 520sqft garage floor. I’m thinking of doing a SW 1000hs base coat then applying full flake then going over it with a clear renthane I. I have a few questions though. How many coats of the 1000hs would you apply before broadcasting flake? How many coats of rethane I would you apply over the flake and how many pounds of flake will I need for a full flake system over 520sqft? Also I will be sanding concrete and acid etching prior to applying 1000hs. Thanks
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Andy Smith Jr.
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Rexthane is really thin so it would take at least 2 coats of Rexthane, maybe even 3 depending on the size of the flake. The 1000 Hs is also a little thin as well (3-5 mils DFT) which makes it more difficult to flake into. So it may take 2 coats of that.
My suggestion is contact on the GJ members - Legacy Industrial, Armorpoxy, and Garage Flooring to name a few. They have full kits and tools online - example here : https://www.legacyindustrial.co/products/nohr-s-polyurea-full-flake-garage-kit-3/
My suggestion is contact on the GJ members - Legacy Industrial, Armorpoxy, and Garage Flooring to name a few. They have full kits and tools online - example here : https://www.legacyindustrial.co/products/nohr-s-polyurea-full-flake-garage-kit-3/
Yeah I’m trying to save money by doing it myself and I also like the satisfaction of doing it myself. The kit through legacy would be over 2k and who really knows what the product is they’re selling? They’ve obviously branded they’re name on another product.
Andy Smith Jr.
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Yeah, i would contact local SW store to see how many coats they recommend / the process and you can weigh costs.
Shea
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Just as an FYI, all of the vendors that were mentioned previously sell commercial quality coatings that are far better than what the general public can access from Sherwin-Williams. Just look at the data sheets to compare. It's the smaller vendors that specialize in concrete coatings that typically carry the best products for the public. Many of these vendors sell to professional installers. I realize budget gets priority, but you don't want to dismiss quality products off-hand just because you have never heard of them before.
Andy is correct about the 1000HS. It's a borderline coating for a full broadcast application of color flakes. You would need to apply it at the recommended coverage rate of 206 sq. ft. per gallon to achieve the maximum 5 mils dry film thickness. Color flakes are approximately 5 mils thick as well. When they are broadcast properly for a full flake application, they overlap and stack on top of each other as well as stick up at odd angles. If the coating is not thick enough, flakes may loosen up during the scraping process and expose the coating underneath in multiple areas. You would need in the neighborhood of 100 lbs of color flakes. You may be better off going with a medium to heavy broadcast of flakes instead. It will also reduce the number of Rexthane coats that would be required.
dcg9381
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Not trying to change your mind if you are set on epoxy, but budget and DIY is an issue here. I highly recommend polyurea. Legacy provides it. I'll never touch epoxy again.... Just sayin'.
I’m confused as to what you mean by “what the general public can access”. I can access anything from sherwin Williams or any other commercial store. Only thing you need is a commercial account or know someone with a commercial account. Where do those vendors you speak of get they’re product from? One thing I’ve found with this project is that with so many different products available commercially, it’s made a lucrative business for others to re-brand a product and call it they’re own. Was hoping to get better info on here but sounds like everyone likes to buy overpriced chemicals. For the record I’m not apposed to spending money however, I am opposed to spending unnecessary money……Just as an FYI, all of the vendors that were mentioned previously sell commercial quality coatings that are far better than what the general public can access from Sherwin-Williams. Just look at the data sheets to compare. It's the smaller vendors that specialize in concrete coatings that typically carry the best products for the public. Many of these vendors sell to professional installers. I realize budget gets priority, but you don't want to dismiss quality products off-hand just because you have never heard of them before.
Andy is correct about the 1000HS. It's a borderline coating for a full broadcast application of color flakes. You would need to apply it at the recommended coverage rate of 206 sq. ft. per gallon to achieve the maximum 5 mils dry film thickness. Color flakes are approximately 5 mils thick as well. When they are broadcast properly for a full flake application, they overlap and stack on top of each other as well as stick up at odd angles. If the coating is not thick enough, flakes may loosen up during the scraping process and expose the coating underneath in multiple areas. You would need in the neighborhood of 100 lbs of color flakes. You may be better off going with a medium to heavy broadcast of flakes instead. It will also reduce the number of Rexthane coats that would be required.
By "general public" I believe he's referring to retail products available to anyone off the street w/o having to have access to a commercial account. We've been the exclusive distributor to the DIY (general public) for Wolverine Coatings going on 15 years now. They formulate and manufacture all of their own products and specialize in high performance industrial coatings. A small order to them is 5000sf, they have no interest in servicing residential DIY applications so they rely on us to do so for them. We are limited to the Wolverine products that we can offer to the DIY community, many of their formulations require specialized knowledge or eq and are not suited to DIY application. They do have commercial distributors and, if you had, or knew someone, with a commercial account you could get whatever you wanted but, good luck getting the customer support you'll need to successfully apply them!
If you could be more specific about what you mean by "Was hoping to get better info" I have no doubt you'll get it here. You inquired about a specific Sherwin Williams product line and received a detailed response from both Andy and Shea. Were you looking for more info with regards to cost, cost competitiveness? I think that if you examined the various data sheets to understand recommended coating thicknesses (DFT), the solids content, compared products on a dollar per mil basis, and factored in the quality of their customer service you'd find that most, if not all, the vendors here are quite fairly priced.
Also, if you intend to grind your floor (I highly recommend) then do not acid/chemical etch afterwards.
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Great! What’s your thought on this process? https://industrial.sherwin-williams...fs/Resuflor-Deco-Flake-BC-System-Guide-SW.pdf
It's a full broadcast flake floor. Our version can be found here Chip Floor. Again, what specific info are you looking for? At 1st glance I would look at what are the recommended minimum individual coat thicknesses, determine how much you'll need then determine how much you'll HAVE to buy based on their minimum packaging sizes. You'll need to look at the individual components TDS (Technical Data Sheets) to get to the truly relevant info such as % solids, unique chemistry features etc.
Hi, take a look at our SPGX Polyurea System, ideal for full broadcasts and very easy to use! Thousands of satisfied GJ users of this system.
Also note that you need to be careful and sand and scrape well a full broadcast to knock down the high spots so the floor isn't rough from the overlapping flecks and vacuum well before applying any clear coat. This is almost more important than the coating system to properly apply, and often novices screw this step up.
Also note that you need to be careful and sand and scrape well a full broadcast to knock down the high spots so the floor isn't rough from the overlapping flecks and vacuum well before applying any clear coat. This is almost more important than the coating system to properly apply, and often novices screw this step up.