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Jamie V

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So I have decided to epoxy my garage floor. I want a good 100% solid epoxy with flakes and clear coat. What kind of prices are contractors getting to do the complete install vs buying everything and doing it myself?

My garage is roughly 950 sq/ft.

Can anyone recommend any contractors in the southern NJ area?
 
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Hi Jaime, here is a recent post from a GJ member of our installation http://garagejournal.com/forum/showt...163544&page=15

If there isn't any moisture issues, an epoxy polyaspartic chip system is $6.50 per sqft. with a 10 year warranty. That includes diamond grind, penetrating epoxy primer (approx 3 gals), 100% solids epoxy base coat( approx 6 gals), full broadcast of chips (approx 200 lbs of chips), polyaspartic top coat (approx 10 gals).

There are many Companies who apply similar systems. Some paint it on thin, some don't use primer, some do not use a polyurethane or polyaspartic top coat sealer. Please compare apples to apples when shopping and comparing.

Please call us if you would live a free site review and estimate. Looking forward.
 
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$6.50 sq/ft is way out of any price range. $3 sq/ft for race deck was really pushing it. If the labor is really that much I'll have to do it myself.
 

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Having it done right with 100% epoxy and having it last a long time isn't cheap.

Check with Rugerlady on here (Epoxy Coat). They did mine and it was worth every penny (after doing it myself on two previous projects).

You get what you pay for.
 

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$6.50 sq/ft is way out of any price range. $3 sq/ft for race deck was really pushing it. If the labor is really that much I'll have to do it myself.
Jamie, I took the ultimate cheapo DIY route for my epoxy floor project. I did diamond grinding myself with hand angle grinders, partial primer in some areas, 100% solids basecoat, 100% solids epoxy clear top coat, with heavy chips. I came in just over $2 a square foot, prob about $2.50 a sq foot when all done. This is time consuming but can be done. It also ensures it gets done right (in my area, I find contractors to generally do a lousy job and not to be trusted much). Epoxy floors are expensive. You can save on all the labor and some equipment rental doing it more cheaply, but add hours and hours and hours of time. Choose two of the three: 1. Lowest cost 2. Quality product and result 3. Time to get it done. - Paul
 
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Jamie, I took the ultimate cheapo DIY route for my epoxy floor project. I did diamond grinding myself with hand angle grinders, partial primer in some areas, 100% solids basecoat, 100% solids epoxy clear top coat, with heavy chips. I came in just over $2 a square foot, prob about $2.50 a sq foot when all done. This is time consuming but can be done. It also ensures it gets done right (in my area, I find contractors to generally do a lousy job and not to be trusted much). Epoxy floors are expensive. You can save on all the labor and some equipment rental doing it more cheaply, but add hours and hours and hours of time. Choose two of the three: 1. Lowest cost 2. Quality product and result 3. Time to get it done. - Paul

Paul, this is exactly what I was thinking. $2-$2.50 sq/ft is what I can afford. I know what I'm capable of and I know I can do just as good a job or better then someone else. The only thing I loose is the time. But for $3-$4 sq/ft difference in price I can live with that.
 

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Paul, this is exactly what I was thinking. $2-$2.50 sq/ft is what I can afford. I know what I'm capable of and I know I can do just as good a job or better then someone else. The only thing I loose is the time. But for $3-$4 sq/ft difference in price I can live with that.

That's exactly how I felt about the project. Also, some do choose tile, which can be about the same cost as epoxy, depending on choices. Well, not sure how big your floor is. For a 1 car garage space, you can buy a 4.5" angle grinder, at least 8.5 amps (black and decker makes a good one cheap) with a diamond grinder wheel (dewalt from amazon makes a good one for about $42) and you can grind for about 12 hours or so, plus or minus depending on how hard your cement is. If you have a 2 or more car garage amount of space, step up to the 7" angle grinder and the 7" dewalt double row diamond wheel to do it much faster. If you have more than that or want to save time, you can rent from places a more professional floor grinder where you get to stand up to use it. Some also recommend the diamabrush attachements for a hand grinder or a pro floor grinder. I didn't use those because they are more expensive than the dewalt wheels, which work great.

Do get a good 100% solids basecoat epoxy. You don't have to put a top coat on that if you don't want to. If you don't do flakes, you can just leave it alone. If you do flakes, that adds cost. And then you really need to do a clear topcoat over the flakes to protect the flakes which adds alot more cost. I did clear epoxy but mine was in a basement. Generally, use clear in a polyurethane for uv protection and also a harder top layer for scuff resistance too than clear epoxy can do. But it is very thin, so you may want two coats of poly on top as a clear. You will need spike shoes. I made my own easily. If you go the hand grinder route, you must have a couple things. You need a shop vac with drywall dust bag for fine dust. You must use a resperator mask while grinding to be safe with dust. You also need a special vac connection to your hand grinder. I made my own for that too from a metal cookie tin that worked great and took an hour to make. Doing my own shoes and dust connection for grinder saved me $50 on the project. Buying my own wheel and grinder vs. renting a few days saved me at least $300, maybe more because I had to do mine in two steps and also spread out in time, not all at once, so would have needed multiple rentals. Doing the epoxy job myself also saved me at least another $3-400. Primer coat is a great idea unless you want to save money, because epoxy needs epoxy as the primer. You can't use any kind of paint type primer - won't work. OR, you could just do your basecoat and if you have problems, then that could be your primer coat and you could buy more for another basecoat on top of it only if needed. Primers can reveal air bubble issues or fisheye issues from contamination and also fill in rough areas a bit before another topcoat, which then looks smoother. At the least, you do need to fill in cracks/holes/rough areas with some epoxy first before your main coat. I just did that with cheap $22 rustoleum 100% solids patch kit where needed and it was fine. Mix 4:1 with white silica sand to epoxy to stretch out the pricey epoxy as much as you can for the cracks/holes/rough areas.

Mine turned out good and glad I did it, but as an avid afraid of nothing DIY type, doing it all yourself and learning all needed to be successful with it is more than many can bite off and chew. And I'm a professional mechanical engineer in real life! I love challenges! But this! This is hard! (not counting that 17 year old recently who did a great job and made it look really simple!) I would do it again myself, but now of course, I could do it twice as fast and better too! Those pro contractors if good do deserve what they get because epoxy is not a simple thing to do right. Read the last year of forum posts before you do it to learn from others! Worth spending several weeks of time to read up here! Much knowledge from many posters not often repeated. - Paul
 
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I have two good friends that are union floor layers. One has some good epoxy experience on commercial jobs. He said he can borrow a 7" diamond grinder to use and can possibly get the materials through work at cost. He is suppose to come over sometime in the next week or two for us to go over it.
 

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Jamie, your friends sound good. I re-read that you have a very large floor area to do. For that big an area, the hand grinder method is likely insufficient. Renting a pro floor grinder machine is probably your best bet. More cost for that but you have too large an area to do. Might take you 50 hours of hand grinding otherwise to get it done. You'll still want a hand grinder to grind flat any areas you pre-fill or any cracks, etc. and to do the wall interface and corners better. Also, the hand grinder can get into low areas the bigger floor ones can't and you can locallly grind and level out that way which otherwise can't do. So they are useful and necessary in my opinion for most jobs, unless you have perfect floors, which rarely exist. - Paul
 
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My concrete is only a year old and fairly clean. I was hoping I could do it in a 10-12 hr day??? I guess my buddy Steve will know best when he comes over.
 

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I re-read that you have a very large floor area to do. For that big an area, the hand grinder method is likely insufficient. Renting a pro floor grinder machine is probably your best bet. More cost for that but you have too large an area to do.

I have to agree with Paul regarding the size of your garage. Even a standard 2-car garage with a 7'' angle grinder is a killer on both back and knees. You might want to look into renting a Diamabrush floor grinder for your job. Many people here on the forum have had good results and you should be able to easily do a floor of your size in a day. Harbor Freight also sells a 4.5" angle grinder for around $15 to do the edges if you can't secure a 7" from your friends. Of course you would have to purchase the cup wheel to go with it. You can probably get away without a dust shroud for the edges and corners, but it's still going to kick up some dust. Like Paul says, wear a mask regardless.
 

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Jamie when I got estimates for my floor, 930 sqft, they were all in the $5.50-$6.50 range. That cost was way out of my budget so I did mine myself. I used the Wolverine Coatings from Alpha Garage and I couldn't be any happier with the results. I ended up at about $2.95 sqft but I went full flakes and 2 top coats, which added considerably to the cost. This included the extra materials I needed, renting the grinder from HD and a 4 1/2 inch diamond cup for my hand grinder. You will also need one of these http://www.oneida-air.com/inventoryD.asp?item_no=AXD001004 for your shop vac and some good dust masks, for grinding the floor. I already had everything else I needed, like a pressure washer. You can see pics of my floor progress here. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=193742
 
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Thanks Pate, unfortunately many people equate epoxy systems with some paint job and find the cost difficult to justify. Incredibly, in this business, you do get what you pay for.
 
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Thanks Pate, unfortunately many people equate epoxy systems with some paint job and find the cost difficult to justify. Incredibly, in this business, you do get what you pay for.

This is true but if a guy can do all the labor himself (properly) with the same quality products you can get it done for about 1/3 the cost. If my options were $6.00 sq/ft for my 940+\- sq/ft garage or nothing I'd have to go with nothing because I'm not sure what you all do for a living but I can't justify a $6,000 floor coating system let alone afford it.

For many (most) of us a DIY epoxy floor beats just paint or nothing any day of the week when that's your only options.
 

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Yes, budget always plays a huge part in decision making. If you are going to do an epoxy system on your own, please research it well on this forum and choose a reputable Company with success in helping DIY'ers through this process.

At the very least, pony up for a professional Company to diamond grind and clean your concrete. This will ensure whatever system you choose will penetrate and bond permanently.

Good luck with your project.
 

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Yes, budget always plays a huge part in decision making. If you are going to do an epoxy system on your own, please research it well on this forum and choose a reputable Company with success in helping DIY'ers through this process.

At the very least, pony up for a professional Company to diamond grind and clean your concrete. This will ensure whatever system you choose will penetrate and bond permanently.

Good luck with your project.

While I don't agree with a professional being required to grind or clean the floor, it is worth noting that the hardest and most time consuming part of the job is the floor grinding and then any floor prep, like filling in cracks, holes, pits, and re-grinding over. If there are any difficult things like impregnated oil or contaminants or excess water moisture, then more complicated things have to be done to be able to do the epoxy, where a pro could help if they are really a pro and know how to handle the situations.

Some people who are avid DIYs might still choose to hire out the floor grinding/patch part of it and just do the rest themselves. The bigger the floor surface area is, the more beneficial this sort of approach would be in terms of cost/sq ft. In other words, by the time you rent the pro floor grinder equipment, maybe more than one day, and get it all done with much effort and labor, your outlay might only be a few hundred $ less than hiring the pro to do it with his equipment. Something for any DIY to consider with the projects. If you are not a monster, machine, DIY type afraid of nothing, hiring out the floor prep/grinding part is a very reasonable option, especially for large floor projects. For a 1 or 2 car garage, I'd do it myself, having done it the hard way, but very good and cheap way on my project. - Paul
 

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$6.50 sq/ft is way out of any price range.

:shocking: That's wild. I have a 25x25 shop, and I can't fathom paying more for a floor than I did for my last car.

I understand it might take 2 guys 3 days to do it, but at that price, after materials, those guys are making more per hour each than I do.
 
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