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OUZO Power

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So soon I'll have the keys to our new home.

Problem is I have 5 days to get this done. So I have to do everything fast.

I want to epoxy the floor before I transfer my toy into it's new garage.

Regarding etching.

I'm thinking of going with the Behr No. 991 Concrete Etcher & Rust Remover.

Then applying Behr Premium 2-Part Epoxy Garage Floor Coating.

How long do I have to wait after the etching to apply the Premium 2-Part Epoxy Garage Floor Coating?

Should I not bother with the Behr No. 991 Concrete Etcher & Rust Remover and instead just use Behr No. 990 Concrete Cleaner & Degreaser?

Thanks
 
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No experience with the Behr products personally.

You'll only get out of the floor what you put into in terms of prep work. 5 days isn't enough time to properly etch, rinse, let the floor dry, apply the coating, and then let the coating set up properly.

You can take short cuts now but you'll be redoing the floor in a lot less time than you'd like.

When I bought my house (new construction), I left the garage empty for a month with no vehicle traffic. I cleaned and acid etched the floor one weekend and let it dry for an entire week before I filled chips and cracks. Then I applied my first coat of epoxy. Overall, there were 2 color coats and 1 clear coat spaced 24 hours apart on my floor. It sat without vehicle traffic for another week or so before I started to really do anything on it just to make sure that everything had fully cured.

As far as which products to use, it all depends on the condition of your new slab and what the Behr product info says will work to treat your conditions.
 
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OUZO Power

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Well in that case looks like I'll be getting a liner and forgetting the epoxy all together.

Can't leave my toy outside.
 

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I'd look into storing the car for a month while you do the floor because moving all of your stuff out of the garage later to do the floor will be a lot bigger hassle. My neighbor did that last year and hated every minute of it.
 

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My last in-town move was well planned out ahead of time. I moved my entire garage to two 20'x20' storage units. The garage became the warehouse for the move. I got apple boxes from the grocery store (Apple Boxes because the lid covers the side all the way to the base). We then packed all the stuff that we knew that we were not going to use for awhile and marked the destination room name and generally what was inside on the outside of the box on both ends. The night before the move, we boxed some need tonight and need tomorrow stuff in separate boxes. All we had was furniture and stacks to apple boxes to the ceiling. Move day went well, mostly hand trucks and big stuff. I had a floor plan printed out and a temporary name on each door at the new house for those who helped us move. On move day we loaded all the boxes to the front of the large van and then the furniture. Offload was getting the big stuff in the corresponding rooms and then stack the boxes in the rooms. Since we could see what was marked on the box (bedding/clothes/toys) we could start with the stuff that needed to get unpacked first. The new garage was the new warehouse until I got rid of all the packing material and boxes. After the house was done, I could move the garage stuff from the storage unit to the garage at my leisure.
 
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So soon I'll have the keys to our new home.

Problem is I have 5 days to get this done. So I have to do everything fast.

I want to epoxy the floor before I transfer my toy into it's new garage.

Regarding etching.

I'm thinking of going with the Behr No. 991 Concrete Etcher & Rust Remover.

Then applying Behr Premium 2-Part Epoxy Garage Floor Coating.

How long do I have to wait after the etching to apply the Premium 2-Part Epoxy Garage Floor Coating?

Should I not bother with the Behr No. 991 Concrete Etcher & Rust Remover and instead just use Behr No. 990 Concrete Cleaner & Degreaser?

Thanks


What is the condition of the concrete? New construction or is this a new home to you???
 

WolverineCoatings

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OUZO... I'm famous for saying that you should 'ask the manufacturer of the product you intend to buy..."

I think that you might want to reconsider your choice if you want to meet a 5 day window. The BEHR product is a waterborne epoxy and the cure time is HIGHLY subject to humidity and temperature. Another bigger issue is that although this product is waterborne, the concrete needs to be dry for it to properly bond. Coating wet concrete with this type of waterborne technology can affect film formation and bonding and cause premature failure.

So, just with these 2 issues you are really going to push your 5 day window. I'm not sure where you are from or what your temperature and humidty conditions are at this time of the year... If you are in Arizona you probably are fine. If the temperature is low or the humidity is high (or both) it is going to slow down the drying of the concrete after prepping and slow the cure of the coating (meaning a long return to service).

Last, many of the prep products are just glorified Muriatic Acid (HCL) solutions. Check out the MSDS before paying alot of extra money for little value!

Good Luck with your project!
 

porschedude996TT

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Model home. Built 1 year ago.

So there may be a sealer on the concrete to slow the cure of the concrete. This would have been done immediately after the concrete pour. Information from various paint mfg's say that this should not be used if you are planning to paint the surface or it needs to be removed (acid etched).

Here is the instructions from Quikrete brand. It tests for the sealer. They have a cleaner/degreaser/etcher product.

STEP 1: SURFACE PREPARATION
Before you begin to paint, you must prepare the surface.
This is essential for positive end results.
Remove all items from the floor. The surface must be
clean, dry and free of dirt, grease, oil or other contaminants.
Sweep the floor to remove all dirt, dust,
leaves or any other debris. Scrape up any paint spatters,
caulk and gum. Clean out cracks and corners
as well. Tip: Use a leaf blower after sweeping to
remove any excess debris.
TEST THE POROSITY OF THE SURFACE
Note: Do not apply this product over surfaces which
have been treated with sealers. Use a garden hose to
spray the entire surface. Look for areas of beading
water. Beading water indicates a water repellent
product or sealer is present on the surface. The sealer
must be completely removed before using this
product, as the epoxy may not adhere to a previously
sealed surface.
FOR NEW OR BARE CONCRETE: Allow 60 days
minimum for new concrete surfaces to cure before
painting. Clean and etch new or bare concrete with
BOND•LOK™ Cleaner, Degreaser & Etcher, following
all label instructions. Wet the entire surface with
water. Apply BOND•LOK and scrub the floor thoroughly
with a stiff bristle brush. BOND•LOK should
fizz or bubble on the surface. If it does not, it is an
indication that the surface has been previously
sealed. All previously applied sealers must be completely
removed before using this product. Tip:
When using BOND•LOK, protect all landscaping
nearby. For previously painted or stained concrete:
Clean with an all-purpose cleaner (TSP or
substitute) and dull glossy surfaces by sanding or
using a chemical deglosser. Previously painted concrete
may be repainted only if it has excellent adhesion
to the floor. Test adhesion by pressing heavyduty
tape (i.e. duct tape) at various places on the
painted surface. Pull the tape quickly from the surface.
If the tape removes the previous paint, the
paint must be fully removed before using this product.
Allow floor to dry completely, at least 4 hours or
overnight. Tip: Use a squeegee, wet/dry vacuum or
fan to speed the drying process.
STEP 2: APPLICATION OF THE EPOXY
Open both cans. In a 2 or 3.5 gallon plastic pail, mix
by pouring Part A Base, then Part B Hardener. Stir
the paint manually for 3 minutes, then cover the
paint and let it sit for 30 minutes (activation time) out
of direct sunlight. Tip: Place a tarp outside near your
work area to use as your workstation. Note: Once
you activate the epoxy, you must use it within 6 1/2
hours. After this time, the mixed material cannot be
used and must be disposed of.
Start with a 2-3” brush, and paint a 2” strip along the
edges. Be sure to paint in joints, corners and any
other difficult areas. Use a premium quality medium
nap (3/8") roller for smooth or lightly textured surfaces.
A polyester brush or airless spray is also suitable
for application. If applying by airless spray, back
roll to ensure penetration. Start at the back section
of the concrete floor and spread the paint uniformly,
finishing with long, even strokes. Apply the epoxy in
one direction and then roll it again in a second direction,
perpendicular to the first. This ensures a
smooth, even finish. Repeat application steps over
entire surface. Clean up with xylol.
Drying Time: Dries to the touch in 8-12 hours, wait
12-24 hours for light foot traffic and 72 hours (minimum)
for automobile or forklift traffic.
For more information, contact us at 1-800-458-0047 or
visit our website at www.quikretecoatings.com
QUIKRETE ® is a registered trademark of
QUIKRETE ® International, Inc.
U.S. Trad. Off. Reg. Nos. 391,990; 767,396; 1,042,903
© 2005 Quikrete International, Inc.
Atlanta, GA 30305
QUIKRETE® EPOXY INDUSTRIAL FLOOR COATING
INSTRUCTION SHEET
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porschedude996TT

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Another thought, if there is no one in the house, can you get into the house early? Maybe rent for a week or two before the house closes escrow. Make sure that you tell them that you would be insured for the period of time and what you are planning to do...
 
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