Euopeans going soft?

[Monte]

buy an old cellulose hard handle driver and a "new age" ergonomic driver e.g. from Wiha, Felo or Witte and try with which driver you can apply more torque with less strain.

 

[T45]

Monte you make a good point. But there is always someone saying how the old hard-handles were alot better. Or the same with PB swissgrip vs classic etc.

 

[defektes]

I hear you. I have been in some small shop that were pretty scary... Still, wouldn't you think that even in a small shop, safety would be ultimately up to the individual performing the task? Even if I worked in a small shop, I would still be as safe as I could be, even if I had to provide my own respirators, gloves, eye protection etcetera...


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Bingo!

Why not have the individual responsible for his/her safety?

Companies will just pass that cost to the consumer and call it a day. Now you pay more for a paint job.

When I worked construction we provided our own PPE, if we forgot it that day the boss may loan you one. It was on YOU to wear your PPE. My current company provides all PPE, but I'm industrial, but I rather have a pay raise and provide my own PPE. I don't think its fair for a company to be punished if a employee did not wear his PPE and got hurt.

Wear a respirator if you need one, wear glasses if needed, etc...

I personally prefer all metal tools, easy to clean, no BS plastic or rubber to deteriorate over time. Hands get tougher and adapt to what they are subjected to.

 

[PureLeaf]

Agree with you Defektes.

I lived in Europe (UK) for a few years, everything cost more, everything was licensed by the government. Strict controls, especially when I needed to acquire solvents, many of which are available at any hardware store here in the states, but not there.

I think it goes down to a cultural mentality. In the US, its up to you to live your life and do whats best for you. In the EU, they have a lot more of a communal and governmental view of protecting their people and controlling how they think things should go.

Anyways back to those soft handled tools !

 

[merbie]

Iv worked in multiple workshops on the uk, health and safety don't mean jack shot until inspection

I'd rather close my **** in a car door than wear a headlamp.

 

[dutchgray]

Iv worked in multiple workshops on the uk, health and safety don't mean jack shot until inspection

Or until someone gets badly hurt or worse, which leads to an inspection.

 

[merbie]

^ either or, doesnt make a difference to me as long as you have common sense you should get by

 

[AceofSpad3s]

While I was in the Army, it was "drink water and drive on". Broke my ankle- I was told to simply tie my boot tighter and handed some 800mg ibuprofen. Going to the medics was seen as being a weak and trying to get out of duty.



I'm 28 and have tinnitus. I have to sleep with a fan on and music playing every night. Any body who has to work in noisy areas, I highly recommend spending the money on quality hearing protection.

I don't remember a time where I did not have tinnitus, it's a *****. At least I can get to sleep since I had it so long.

 

[AceofSpad3s]

Soft handles are more uncomfortable for me than normal hard handles or plain steel. The extra friction is very irritating to my hands, most appearance is when using power tools, cordless drills that have any rubber rub the spot between my thumb and pointer to the point to getting raw. And durability extremely important to me an soft stuff is a liability when it comes to durability.

 

[Monte]

Monte you make a good point. But there is always someone saying how the old hard-handles were alot better. Or the same with PB swissgrip vs classic etc.

nowadays the hard handles have a bit rubber added... not much difference

I rather have a pay raise and provide my own PPE.

...and how many people would take the cash and don´t buy PPE at all ....???

 

[defektes]

nowadays the hard handles have a bit rubber added... not much difference



...and how many people would take the cash and don´t buy PPE at all ....???

That's on them, personal responsibility.

 

[Monte]

That's on them, personal responsibility.

And that´s where the problem starts

 

[dnschmidt]

I'm all for personal responsibility and the American Pioneer Spirit and all of that BS but to me a good analogy to this discussion is motorcycle helmet laws.

These clowns that ride without helmets say: I have the freedom to ride however I like don't make me wear a helmet it's my life. Then, when they get brain damaged in an accident, society has to pay for their medical expenses for the rest of their lives because they were an idiot.

With respect to occupational safety personal responsibility just doesn't work since human nature would rather buy a motorcycle than a supplied air breathing hood. When everything goes to hell as the paint fumes take their toll society has to pay to keep this ******* alive. Also, most shop owners could car less if you're killing yourself or not as long as they are making money off of you. Once worn out you are discarded.

The fact that European countries have much stronger workplace safety is directly related to their state financed health care systems. It's cheaper to force the use of safety in the workplace than it is to pay for the medical care of those that don't work safely on their own accord. You can live free or die until your stupidity starts costing me (and the country) money.

 

[carterbeauford]

I fail to see any problem with using ergonomic tools. every Bahco made tool I have ever used has been wonderful in my hand. then again if you won't use a hammer or wrench unless it has a rusty square steel handle, then go right ahead. I'm not really sure there is any point of discussion here.

 

[angrystroker]

Sounds like quite a few here are also closet candle makers. After a hard week at wrenching and standing, run to get a pedicure so the will look good in their sandals.

 

[Moose364]

Your insult would be more meaningful if you didn't have seven grammar/spelling mistakes in one sentence.

Thank you for the English lesson,
and it was not a INSULT, IT WAS A JOKE Mr. *** DONUT and that Sir was a insult. feel free to ask for more.

 

[Moose364]

Honest question, did you make it past 5th grade?

Honest answer YES I did, and now that I answered you question. here is one for you, did you ever learn what a joke is you and the other *** donut need to learn to laugh a little,

and for some more INFO for you. I work in the Oil field on Workover rig's that is the derricks you see sticking up in the air, we don't have a damn thing with a nice little soft grip in my world, we don't have AC and Heat, when it rain's we work in the rain, when it lighting we work in it, when it's snowing we work in it, when there is oil blowing a 100' in the air we are the one's that stop it, so yea to me it is a joke, come spend a week in my world and the last thing you will worry about is a soft grip. and a English lesson.