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For those of you who have evaporative coolers, I offer the following tips that I've discovered over the years to deal with some of the problems associated with them.
For dealing with hard water/calcium scale:
Use sodium hexametaphoshate. A white powder available at chemical supply houses. Dissolve a 1/2 cup in the cooler pan of water, and it will greatly help reduce mineral scale. Nothing eliminates the problem completely, but NaHMP helps alot. Also works in any water-using appliance (shower heads, pots, toilets, etc.)
Oil for bearings:
Use Supco 88, 50/50 with your favorite lightweight oil. The solvent qualities in the Supco reduce varnish and residue due to old oil, and will extend the life of the bearings considerably. It even helps "restore" tight/sticky bearings.
For odor control:
Use a capful of your favorite fabric softener.
To condition new aspen pads:
New Aspen pads don't always absorb water very well, because of the natural oils present in the wood fibers. Wash the cooler pads with a citrus-based cleaner, and rinse thoroughly before putting them in the cooler. The fibers will then absorb water much more efficiently and cool better.
Mold problems:
Some brands of cooler have a plastic liner inside the pan, so water doesn't actually contact the metal. This is claimed to reduce rusting. However, moisture does accumulate between the liner and cooler pan, and mold can grow there. Eventually it will spread enough to cause stains/smells. Every spring before cooler start-up, take the liner out and spray some Scrubbing Bubbles in the cooler pan. Let it sit 5 minutes, then wipe out and replace the plastic liner. The residual spray will retard the growth of mold and algae.
Hope this helps y'all out!
 
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No prob. I just started up two Mastercools this morning, and had the tips on my mind. Glad it's helping someone out.
 

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Thanks for posting that. I'm going to be replacing a swamp cooler that was on this house when we bought it.
What are the differences between those "new" type swamp coolers and the old fashioned drip ones? I've seen some that look real swoopy but I don't know if they are any different in how they operate.
I think our power company used to give rebates for the new type swamp coolers, but I don't know if that is still valid.

Rick you can chime in here too and educate me.
 
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The typical older-style cooler has the aspen wood fiber pads. Much better than the plastic foam and paper pads, but they do have their limitations. The single-inlet style coolers (MasterCool, Aerocool, Champion, etc) have a specially-treated fibrous paper pad that has better wicking properties, hence, better eveaporation and cooling. They were also treated with an algaecide to reduce such growth on/in the pads. Plus, by using a bleed-off or sump pump drain device, you can keep the mineral comcentration down in the pan water and thus reduce scaling, plugged ports, overflow, leakage, etc. Here in the desert that might gain you a tax credit on a approved cooler.

Mastercool went bankrupt a few years ago, and the company that took them over (Champion) bought all the intellectual property, but not the warrany. The MC on my house is getting a leak in the pan after 10 years, but, the "lifetime warranty" is worth nil now.
 
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I've tried them. About all they do is give a little nicer scent to the water.
I've been doing coolers for 25 years, and have tried every trick or "snake oil" treatment I've heard about. Vinegar, De-scale-it, Micromet, water filters, using water from a house softener, plus just about every bottled chemical or tablet sold at the stores making claims. Nothing's really worked with Tucson water - until I heard about NaHMP.
An extreme example: my wife likes boiled eggs. The pot she uses gets a white calcium coating on the bottom that she cannot scrub, clean, or scrape off. I put about 2 cups of water in the pot, dissolve as much NaHMP as it will take, and start it boiling. You can literally watch the white scale disappear as the bubbles come up from the bottom. When it's clean, I take it off the heat, and rinse the thing out. Works perfectly. Do it about every 4-6 weeks or so.
 
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Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm new to these coolers.
I'm not completely happy with how well it cools, but I do like that I can maintain it myself.
I know in Tucson it can get humid, so they aren't really that great.

edit: I use the bleed-off water to water some plants. Do you think that NaHMP will cause any harm?

Actually, Tucson is really dry for most of the summer, so evaps work well.
I have a bleed-off on my cooler, with about 75 feet of plastic tube that I move from tree to tree during the week. The trees get water, the cooler stays pretty clear of calcium, and I'm not wasting the water down a drain.
So I don't run the NaHMP thru the cooler every day. I do it as an initial flush, and then once or twice during the summer. The bleed-off removes it pretty fast after the treatment, probably within a day.
As far as toxicity concerns with NaHMP, some cities around the country put it in their municipal water supplies as a method of water line maintenance. So, I don't think it will hurt your plants.
 

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Here's another one from the hard water capital of the world:

When the pads develop that lovely dead fish odor, a couple of packets of unsweetened Koolaid in the water will knock it right out. The Koolaid trick also clears scale out of the spider. I thought that my neighbor had gone completely insane when he told me this trick, but in a moment of being too lazy to go pick up some fabric softener, I gave it a shot. I haven't purchased fabric softener in 6 years now.
 
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Here's another one from the hard water capital of the world:

When the pads develop that lovely dead fish odor, a couple of packets of unsweetened Koolaid in the water will knock it right out. The Koolaid trick also clears scale out of the spider. I thought that my neighbor had gone completely insane when he told me this trick, but in a moment of being too lazy to go pick up some fabric softener, I gave it a shot. I haven't purchased fabric softener in 6 years now.

Unsweetened Koolaid, eh? I'll have to try that one.
 

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Thanks for the tips :thumbup:

We put in our Aero Cool down draft in in 1998. Kind of looks like this...

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It uses paper blocks like these...

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It's been a great cooler.
 

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The lining in my MC 2 is coming up . What type of glue did you use to get it to stay in place ? Thanks
 

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Where do you get the NaHMP? I have 800 ppm calcium in water from my well, already use extra timed pump to pump water out every 8 hours, also use some Dial crystals in net bag, they do help some, the blocks are NO good at all for anything. Like the idea of trying the unsweetened Kool-Aide, Downey doesn't do much for my situation at all. thanks
 

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I've tried them. About all they do is give a little nicer scent to the water.
I've been doing coolers for 25 years, and have tried every trick or "snake oil" treatment I've heard about. Vinegar, De-scale-it, Micromet, water filters, using water from a house softener, plus just about every bottled chemical or tablet sold at the stores making claims. Nothing's really worked with Tucson water - until I heard about NaHMP.
An extreme example: my wife likes boiled eggs. The pot she uses gets a white calcium coating on the bottom that she cannot scrub, clean, or scrape off. I put about 2 cups of water in the pot, dissolve as much NaHMP as it will take, and start it boiling. You can literally watch the white scale disappear as the bubbles come up from the bottom. When it's clean, I take it off the heat, and rinse the thing out. Works perfectly. Do it about every 4-6 weeks or so.
Where do you buy the NaHMP? thanks
 
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I dealt with my swamp cooler by ripping it out and replacing with refrigerated. Just not worth the annual trouble of them. The real kicker was when we had huge forest fires sending smoke and ash our way.....couldn't run the cooler or you'd **** in all the smoke.
 

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Installing a swamp cooler soon, and was wondering where the heck can I buy this sodium hexametaphoshate powder, at a reasonable price mail order? BTW, seems to also go under the names Hexametaphosphate, sodium salt; SHMP; Metaphosphoric acid, hexadosium salt; Sodium polyphosphates
 
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Sorry, folks. Haven't been visiting as often as I used to.

Be careful not to confuse sodium HXP with Tri-sodium phosphate. Not the same thing.

Sodium hexametaphosphate is available at chemical supply stores - like Hills Brothers. Sold in 50 pound bags only.
Last time I bought a bag the price per pound had jumped significantly, so, can't say what a good price in your area is. Since I use it for work, I cough up the fairly high price per bag and hope I make it back through resale. But I use it for all sorts of uses in the home. Anything that uses water can benefit from sodium HXP.

Laundry.
Hard water stains in sinks.
Calcium deposits in pots and pans.
Toilet cleaning.
Water heater calcium removal.
 
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Installing a swamp cooler soon, and was wondering where the heck can I buy this sodium hexametaphoshate powder, at a reasonable price mail order? BTW, seems to also go under the names Hexametaphosphate, sodium salt; SHMP; Metaphosphoric acid, hexadosium salt; Sodium polyphosphates

Another thing you might want to consider is the bleed off for coolers. They can be adjusted to increase or decrease the amount of water needed for removal depending on your local water hardness.

And that bleed water need not be wasted. I hook a 50 or 100 foot roll of bleed-off tubing to my cooler, and run it to one of my trees or bushes in the yard. Every other day I move the line to the next plant. 100 foot of tubing makes it easy to flip and stretch to anyplace in my yard. This way, I'm keeping the mineral scale down in my cooler and watering my plants at the same time. :thumbup:
 

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Another trick that i use is to double up the spider. Normally when you buy a swamp cooler itll come with one water distribution spider attached to the top of the inside of the cooler, and each pad on the sides of the cooler is fed with one water tube. I noticed that after about 30 minutes of running the cooler, that the pads would develop dry spots. Most water distribution spiders dont provide enough water to keep the pads totally damp, so what i did is i went to home depot, bought a second spider, and bigger pump, and attached the second spider to the top of the inside of the cooler with some zip ties, properly oriented the tubes, and now each side of the cooler has 2 water supply tubes instead of one. Now 100 percent of the pads stay wet, and i got a measured 7 degree drop between before adding the second one and after, because if there are dry spots its pulling hot air through em.
 
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Another trick that i use is to double up the spider. Normally when you buy a swamp cooler itll come with one water distribution spider attached to the top of the inside of the cooler, and each pad on the sides of the cooler is fed with one water tube. I noticed that after about 30 minutes of running the cooler, that the pads would develop dry spots. Most water distribution spiders dont provide enough water to keep the pads totally damp, so what i did is i went to home depot, bought a second spider, and bigger pump, and attached the second spider to the top of the inside of the cooler with some zip ties, properly oriented the tubes, and now each side of the cooler has 2 water supply tubes instead of one. Now 100 percent of the pads stay wet, and i got a measured 7 degree drop between before adding the second one and after, because if there are dry spots its pulling hot air through em.

Interesting fix to get around a 4-way spider distributor problem.:thumbup:
You could just replace that spider with a 8-way center hub spider, and get the water flow you need.

http://www.dialmfg.com/Water Kits.html
 

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Really hope you handy guys can help me.

I have a swamp cooler that I have had to move from the back of my house to get it away from the constant assault of two neighbors smoking at all hours. Now the neighbor on the other side where the cooler has been moved to, has started smoking and none of these wonderful people will do anything to work with me to keep their cigarette smoke from being pulled into my house. They don't want to stink up their houses, but think nothing of doing it to me.

Well now I am having seriously health problems, requiring radiation, and have been almost totally bedridden for a year and a half. I live in a very hot desert climate and my swamp cooler is essential. I have to find some way to filter out the smoke. One whiff and I'm sick all day!

I've tried the aspen, and they do nothing for filtering air. I've tried the duracools, which seem a little better, but only minutely. I'd happily buy the honeycomb units that are as expensive as the whole swamp cooler, if I thought they would actually work to filter out smoke. Has anyone had any experience with this?

I've heard there are pre-filters, but good luck finding someone at Home Dept who knows anything about this. One person got me excited about activated charcoal filters and then told me they are only for air conditioners! :(

I'm so desperate at this point that I'm looking into selling my house!

Any help you can give me would be so much appreciated. Thanks.
 

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The charcoal filters would work fine, you could attach them to the outsides of the cooler, just make sure the direction of flow is correct. We used em at my old job for the make up air units on the roof.
 

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The charcoal filters would work fine, you could attach them to the outsides of the cooler, just make sure the direction of flow is correct. We used em at my old job for the make up air units on the roof.

Thank you for the response. Can you clarify a little? I called a few filter places today and they said I couldn't use activated charcoal because it would restrict the airflow so totally that there is no way the unit could cool my house. I'm struggling to understand how taping those to the outside of the vents, while having the inner filter pad as well, would still allow enough air to cool 1800 sqft.

Could you give me more info on this please?
 
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Thanks for responding. I'm wondering if anyone knows how much of a reduction of flow it would be and if I should remove the inner pads as well? If I'm being told that it would completely restrict airflow just with the activated carbon filters, I'm not sure how that would work with the inner filter pads. But aren't those necessary?

I am hoping someone might have tried this or have some actual experience with this because I really don't want to purchase these carbon filters just to have them not work and end up in the trash.

Thanks again.
 

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I don't think it has even a remote chance of working. I can't imagination the air restriction being anything less than extreme. The filters will also require frequent replacement, even if they do work.

Can you move the swamp cooler to yet another location? Perhaps a Bonaire Durango unit would allow you the flexibility you need to find a patch of smoke free air to install it.

Other than that, I think it's time to look into AC.
 

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Unfortuantely no. I'm surrounded by smokers. I'm actually looking into moving because my health issues are getting worse. I really can't imagine how small some people can be, when it's just as easy for them to smoke on the other side of their houses or turn on a fan when they smoke.

Thanks for the help.
 

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Unfortuantely no. I'm surrounded by smokers. I'm actually looking into moving because my health issues are getting worse. I really can't imagine how small some people can be, when it's just as easy for them to smoke on the other side of their houses or turn on a fan when they smoke.

Thanks for the help.

I'm sorry you have this problem.. Wish I could help.
 

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Unfortuantely no. I'm surrounded by smokers. I'm actually looking into moving because my health issues are getting worse. I really can't imagine how small some people can be, when it's just as easy for them to smoke on the other side of their houses or turn on a fan when they smoke.

Thanks for the help.
Sounds like time to talk to a lawyer.

A cease and desist letter might just get their attention. If they happen to be renters, get the lawyer to also write a letter to the property owner of record, and see if you can't get them to address the situation. The city might also have something to say about your neighbors creating a public nuisance. :see:

You will want to keep a log of all events for any future case.
 

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One trick I tell my customers to do is to leave the pump running all the time. The calcium seems to build up faster when the water drys. The pump uses very little electricity. And you have instant cooling when you turn the fan on. It also keeps the fishy smell away.

I also use a refrigerator ice maker filter in the water line before the float valve.

For Darkluster: For your neighbors smoking problem I have two solutions. 1) Grab your garden hose and turn it on them or set up a sprinkler system that will "malfunction" at just the right time. 2) Shotgun.
 

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The bleed off valves invariably wind up clogging.....from scale.

Get a "Clean Machine", or one of the variants. These are a pump that's on a timer, and empties the pan ~every 8 hrs or so (some are adjustable to frequency). The water will be fresh essentially all the time, and your fish smell is gone.

I plumbed the dumped water out to nearby trees/plants using PVC (buried) and it's not wasted.

Between the house, guest house, and shop, we have 5 Mastercools. My wife and I use them right up until the very last minute possible of monsoon, before switching to refrigerated a/c. The humidity they put in the air in the house is great, given our humidity outdoors in the summer is around 8-10%.....definitely helps with the dry skin/mucous membranes.
 
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Great advice, I have a evaporative cooler on my vacation home in Abq, NM.
What pads work the best?

Sorry for the slow response.
I have a local company that hand-makes the aspen wood pads. They are real thick and aspen seems like the best wood for the "wicking" requirements of water off of the fibers. What ever you do make sure the pads you get are aspen wood and nice and thick. The thin inexpensive pads sold at most places aren't worth your money.
 
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