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nahudson

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I do as well

I bought a SAE Gearwrench set for $35 and then about a month or two later I was able to get a metric set for $30. I got them at sears on sale. I bought them over a year ago. So I only paid basically $65 for all of them. I got $87 for them on Ebay and I sold them used. They were slightly used, but still!
 
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Sort of...I bought out the Knipex Cobra sets that my Lowe's had on clearance last year. I think I bought 15 sets. I sold the sets on here for cost because my fellow GJ brothers couldn't get them
 

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Don't know much about how the IRS or the revenue agency here in canada so can't comment on the tax side of things or how deep they'll dig.

I've sold on ebay for 13 years and have always claimed my income. Revenue Canada is trying to demote the amount of area of my house I claim for business use from 60% down to 5% because of time spent doing business. Same with phone and other expenses. They don't allow us to claim internet expenses at all which is BS. Revenue Canada thinks that we can make an ebay sale like snapping our fingers. They don't understand that people with a 40 hr per week day job would spend another 40 hrs per week selling on ebay. Even chinese factory workers only work 60 hrs per week and they likely only work a 36 hr week themselves so it seems unfathomable to them that anyone would work an 80 hr week. Well I often did.

Sellers who sell a few items they no longer use and the odd thing they can flip for a profit are in the same group as bona fide businesses that manufacture or import goods for resale. Packaging is automated or prepackaged and postage is constant. Many have been in business since before ebay and may sell a variety of say 50 items and lets say they sell 200 of each item annually. Moms and pops are in the same group as these businesses yet we sell our own used junk, have to custom pack, re-photograph and re-write everything because we rarely sell the same thing twice and we work sporadically as we come across items to sell. Not very efficient from a business prospective.

As you likely know Revenue Canada won it's court battle with ebay to get access to Canadian ebay sellers info. Anyone who has an ebay store were the 1st to be scrutinized. If you make any income on ebay you should:
1) keep a daily ledger of all activities broken into 1/4 hours.
eg:
05/05/12
8:30 am to 10:00 am - scouted pawn shops and garage sales, bought wrench set for $60.00 plus $7.** HST = $67.** cost
10:00 am - 10:15 am researched prices on wrench set.
10:15 am - 10:45 am photographed wrench set
10:45 am - 11:00 am uploaded images to computer, cropped and sized for ebay.
11:00am - 11:20 am wrote description for ebay ad, added photos and listed the ad.
07/05/12
5:30 pm - 5:40 pm answered questions on wrench set ad.
12/05/12
11:20 - 11:45 Packed wrench set, labeled package
12:30 - 12: 50 Delivered wrench package to post office and shipped it.

2) Print the paypal payment page and keep with the original invoice from the pawn shop where you bought it from.

3) Keep records of where in your house you store items, clean items, pack items, keep supplies, and work on the internet.

Ebay, Paypal, Postal Services and Courier Companies all have grown exponentially as the use of ebay became more mainstream. I'll bet usps, canada post, royal mail, ebay, ups etc all are feeling the pinch as we little independents slowly drop off our ebay selling due to the increased work load of keeping track of all this in favour finding a 2nd job or contributing to the unemployment rate since there are few jobs available.

Sorry for the long post.
 
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Is someone who is being overtly cynical of Christian beliefs displaying a poorer attitude than someone who is overtly expressing Christian beliefs?


You feel like me giving thanks to my savior displays the same type of attitude as someone who mocks another's beliefs? Really.

Look, I am not trying to change your views, this is not the time or place for that. Feel free to PM me.
 

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Actually, no, it isn't. Capitalism is a broad economic model that encompasses all sorts of buying and selling, more accurate words for what you describe are "profiteering" and "opportunism." If the lifestyle you are referring to is being underemployed because the job market ***** as a consequence of years of just such profiteering, then I agree.

Cry me a river and call it tears.
 

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Waaaa waaaaa.... if i'm flipping something, it's at a price that is still a good deal for someone else. It's a win win, i rescued that tool/part. Don't like flippers? Stop buying things from individuals, it's that simple.
 

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My point was that capitalism is not as simple as "buy low, sell high" and that profiteering (on mortgage-backed securities) is what caused the financial collapse. Lookin4'67Galaxieconv implied that his oversimplified definition of capitalism somehow improves my quality of life, all of which is inaccurate.

Here's my stance, in a nutshell: If I, for example, go to sears to buy a couple of clearance sockets that I need only to find that the racks have been cleared and then see someone selling them at 10x the price I don't think "Thank God for capitalism in action!" I think "What a tool." Why would I want to BE that tool? "Do unto others" becomes unpopular in a hurry around here when people are making a quick buck. :dunno:

Oh, now we're talking about mortgage backed securities? No, we're not. We're not talking about securities derivitives that involve third parties, or anything like that. I'll put it in terms perhaps you can understand. I buy a toolbox that's underpriced from someone who's moving, wants to clean out his garage, just bought a new toolbox, whatever, at a very good price. I don't need that toolbox, but the price was just too good to pass up. I post that toolbox on Craiglist, Kijiji, whatever, with a higher price so I can, gasp!, make a profit. :scared:

Someone contacts me, comes over to look at the toolbox, then pays my asking price or a negotiated price among the two of us, and I make that profit. I had something he needed and/or wanted, we agreed on a price, he bought it, and I made a profit. Wow...what a concept! :D

And yes, that is the basis of capitalism, albeit an example of a secondary market, but a market nonetheless. I invested capital, time, and effort. I put my capital at risk in the thought I would get that money back, as well as extra money, and that's exactly what happened. No one forced either party into the transaction, both parties did so willingly, and both parties walked away happy. As a specific example, I bought a toolbox a couple years ago for $50, did a little repair on it, then resold it for $400. Well worth my time, money, and effort and he was very pleased with his purchase. Because it was a good deal for him.

You don't like people making a buck, nontheless a quick buck, b/c you don't have the stones or the knowledge to do it yourself, so you have to put down those who do. As long as no one is being dishonest in their dealings, there is absolutely no moral quandry. But I don't expect you to understand that, so I will just say, to each his own! :beer:


Waaaa waaaaa.... if i'm flipping something, it's at a price that is still a good deal for someone else. It's a win win, i rescued that tool/part. Don't like flippers? Stop buying things from individuals, it's that simple.

Amen, brother. Amen. :3gears:
 

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I sold over 200 sockets today for $20. Yes, i made a profit. I'm such a terrible person.
 

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Oh, now we're talking about mortgage backed securities? No, we're not. We're not talking about securities derivitives that involve third parties, or anything like that. I'll put it in terms perhaps you can understand. I buy a toolbox that's underpriced from someone who's moving, wants to clean out his garage, just bought a new toolbox, whatever, at a very good price. I don't need that toolbox, but the price was just too good to pass up. I post that toolbox on Craiglist, Kijiji, whatever, with a higher price so I can, gasp!, make a profit. :scared:

Someone contacts me, comes over to look at the toolbox, then pays my asking price or a negotiated price among the two of us, and I make that profit. I had something he needed and/or wanted, we agreed on a price, he bought it, and I made a profit. Wow...what a concept! :D

And yes, that is the basis of capitalism, albeit an example of a secondary market, but a market nonetheless. I invested capital, time, and effort. I put my capital at risk in the thought I would get that money back, as well as extra money, and that's exactly what happened. No one forced either party into the transaction, both parties did so willingly, and both parties walked away happy. As a specific example, I bought a toolbox a couple years ago for $50, did a little repair on it, then resold it for $400. Well worth my time, money, and effort and he was very pleased with his purchase. Because it was a good deal for him.

You don't like people making a buck, nontheless a quick buck, b/c you don't have the stones or the knowledge to do it yourself, so you have to put down those who do. As long as no one is being dishonest in their dealings, there is absolutely no moral quandry. But I don't expect you to understand that, so I will just say, to each his own! :beer:




Amen, brother. Amen. :3gears:
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C'mon, guys. Leave the politics and religion out of this. And cool the arguments, name-calling, etc. Drop it, or I'll lock this thread.

The OP merely asked a question. Do you ever buy tools just to resell? You can answer yes I do, no I don't, or etc, without saying or implying that people who do so are bad, immoral, greedy, or etc. And Garage Journal is no place for debates on religion. Take that debate elsewhere.

Of course we all have very different ideas about tools, trading of tools, collecting of tools, etc, etc. And we are all free to express our opinions on such things. But there is still no need for anyone to say that anyone who has a different perspective about such things is bad, stupid, greedy, etc, etc.

It's a shame when good threads get deleted or locked down when these foolish arguments get started. Either say some nice respectful comments here, or go away.
 
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Oh, now we're talking about mortgage backed securities? No, we're not. We're not talking about securities derivitives that involve third parties, or anything like that. I'll put it in terms perhaps you can understand. I buy a toolbox that's underpriced from someone who's moving, wants to clean out his garage, just bought a new toolbox, whatever, at a very good price. I don't need that toolbox, but the price was just too good to pass up. I post that toolbox on Craiglist, Kijiji, whatever, with a higher price so I can, gasp!, make a profit. :scared:

Someone contacts me, comes over to look at the toolbox, then pays my asking price or a negotiated price among the two of us, and I make that profit. I had something he needed and/or wanted, we agreed on a price, he bought it, and I made a profit. Wow...what a concept! :D

And yes, that is the basis of capitalism, albeit an example of a secondary market, but a market nonetheless. I invested capital, time, and effort. I put my capital at risk in the thought I would get that money back, as well as extra money, and that's exactly what happened. No one forced either party into the transaction, both parties did so willingly, and both parties walked away happy. As a specific example, I bought a toolbox a couple years ago for $50, did a little repair on it, then resold it for $400. Well worth my time, money, and effort and he was very pleased with his purchase. Because it was a good deal for him.

You don't like people making a buck, nontheless a quick buck, b/c you don't have the stones or the knowledge to do it yourself, so you have to put down those who do. As long as no one is being dishonest in their dealings, there is absolutely no moral quandry. But I don't expect you to understand that, so I will just say, to each his own! :beer:

concealer404 asked me to explain how profiteering has an effect on the job market, so for that purpose, yes we were talking about securities, do try to keep up. You are the one who quoted me with your ******* in a twist telling me about my lifestyle and what flippers have done to make it possible. All of which was completely inaccurate and presumptive. All I did was answer the OP's question honestly. You were free to ignore my post if you disagreed with it, but instead you opted to attack me personally, which says a lot more about your character than mine. Here again you have made assumptions about me for which you have absolutely no basis. Since you are wasting my time, and this thread is obviously on it's way down the toilet I'll wrap up with this:

Investing time and money to repair or improve something is not the same thing as flipping. Buying something one absolutely doesn't need just to make a profit by re-selling it with no changes whatsoever makes one a profiteering opportunist, period. Some people can sleep soundly with that at night, personally I cannot, and that's what I stated in my initial post. I said that I don't do it because it's against my personal ethics. If you are bent out of shape about that, it's your problem, throwing -isms that you clearly don't understand well at me and stating that I am ignorant and gutless because I personally choose not to turn a profit at the expense of someone else just makes you look like another internet heel with something to prove.

Lastly, since religion inexplicably keeps coming up in this thread... I don't actively practice anything these days, but consider this: When Jesus fed the multitudes he gave away the fishes and loaves to people that needed them, he didn't set up a fish taco stand and charge triple the rates in Ninevah because he had the miraculous food market cornered.
 

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eBay its a good place to buy and resale. Some people doesn't have too much experience listing the items and because the poor description you can buy them cheap with confidence. I just purchased a vintage screwdriver in 5.95, re list it, changed the description (with some key adjectives) and sold it for $43.;)
 

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I won't buy something on sale at a store and turn around and CL it for $10 under retail to some sucker. On the other hand, I have no problem being the buyer if I missed out on the deal. I also won't buy something from a GJ'er and turn around and sell it again on here. Unless it's later on down the road and is the same price or less than what I paid for it.

I have no problem with getting stuff from pawn shops, yard sales, CL ad's and auctions and flipping that stuff. 9 times out of 10 the people have no idea how much it's worth. If they didn't grow up using tools with their Dad/Grandad, they don't know the value of a good tool, I'm happy to get it and either add it to my box or pass it along to someone who will enjoy it. I can't tell you how many times I've seen on CL "Tools for Sale" and it was a mechanics set with case from Craftsman that the seller said ".... Relative bought it for my birthday but I'll never use it so I want $?? for it" Amazing the level of waste.

I do agree with canuckian though, the worst are the vultures. I bought a ton of stuff from a Lady a week ago from what amounted to a divorce sale, Me and another guy were there. She had a TON of good quality older Klein, Proto, Craftsman and assorted tools. The other guy tried to give her peanuts and walked away with next to nothing, I paid a fair price on everything and walked with a massive haul. A little more money than I wanted to spend but still a definite good buy.
 

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Man it's getting hot in here. Lot of opinions.

We always said in the Marine Corps, "You don't have to like someone, but you have to respect their rank" or in this case their opinion. Everybody is entitled to one but lets shake hands and talk shop. you know.......Old Tools, Young Fools, Hot Women, Cold Beer and Lying Tales of Yesteryear....
 

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You have been on a hell of a "pay your taxes" rant lately, and not just on this thread. Do you secretly work for the Govt/IRS? I dont believe we have a tax problem in this country, we have a spending problem.

edit: I removed a bunch of my post to try and conform more with the moderator's instruction above.

I do have quite a few personal feelings about this issue, but in reality, I'm just trying to convey that declaring income, whether from a not-for-profit hobby, or a for-profit side business, is certainly important, especially in this age of electronic documentation.

When I was first starting out, I had the same attitude as I've seen a lot of folks have, "Oh, it's no big deal, I'm just making a few bucks on the side". My tax guy, who is an ex IRS auditor, just about bit my head off. That's why I'm so serious about it now.

You can really get into some serious trouble, especially if the IRS sees a pattern of unreported income over many years.

So is there a dollar amount beyond which the the IRS requires reporting of supplemental income ? Lets say I make less that $ 1000 a year from my various hobbies, should I be reporting that as income ?

You are supposed to get a 1099 if you make more than $600 from a single source, for instance this year I made $1200 selling various items to my employer, they issued me a 1099 form which I then had to include in my taxes. I also made a couple thousand on a consulting contract, which I recieved an additional 1099 for.

My income from tool sales did not have individual forms such as larger amounts would, so that is a number that I generate through my own book keeping, and add into my tax filing.

As far as small bits of income, any income you make, even $1, is taxable in the eyes of the IRS. If it is the only income you made that year, there is a lower threshhold, but for anyone who works even part time for at least minimum wage, chances are they are well past it.

The good news is that you can legitimately write off many expenses involved, so other than the added complication in your tax filiing, it generally doesn't hurt too bad.



There are some details that can get pretty hairy, such as the fact that office equipment is treated differently from shop equipment. For most people, though, their low profit side ventures (or hobbies, whichever you prefer) can be successfully and legally written off to the point where little to no taxes are paid, without risking the ire of the IRS.
 
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concealer404 asked me to explain how profiteering has an effect on the job market, so for that purpose, yes we were talking about securities, do try to keep up. You are the one who quoted me with your ******* in a twist telling me about my lifestyle and what flippers have done to make it possible. All of which was completely inaccurate and presumptive. All I did was answer the OP's question honestly. You were free to ignore my post if you disagreed with it, but instead you opted to attack me personally, which says a lot more about your character than mine. Here again you have made assumptions about me for which you have absolutely no basis. Since you are wasting my time, and this thread is obviously on it's way down the toilet I'll wrap up with this:

Investing time and money to repair or improve something is not the same thing as flipping. Buying something one absolutely doesn't need just to make a profit by re-selling it with no changes whatsoever makes one a profiteering opportunist, period. Some people can sleep soundly with that at night, personally I cannot, and that's what I stated in my initial post. I said that I don't do it because it's against my personal ethics. If you are bent out of shape about that, it's your problem, throwing -isms that you clearly don't understand well at me and stating that I am ignorant and gutless because I personally choose not to turn a profit at the expense of someone else just makes you look like another internet heel with something to prove.

Lastly, since religion inexplicably keeps coming up in this thread... I don't actively practice anything these days, but consider this: When Jesus fed the multitudes he gave away the fishes and loaves to people that needed them, he didn't set up a fish taco stand and charge triple the rates in Ninevah because he had the miraculous food market cornered.


Why should I ignore your post if I disagree with it? This is a discussion board. If everyone agrees with everyone, and everyone lets slide what they disagree with, then this board is useless. You answered the OP's question honestly, and I replied to your post honestly. If you can't handle it, then don't post your beliefs. And you may think about taking some basic economics courses, it could help you in the future. ;)

Flipping is a basic precept of capitalism, albeit with the production component removed. As I stated in my previous post, investing time, money, knowledge and effort to bring a good to a market that someone else agrees to purchase for an agreed upon price is a win for both sides. This brings goods to a market that may not be there otherwise. Whether or not a repair is involved is irrelevant, it's still flipping, so don't try and change the definition. I knew when I bought it I was going to resell it, and investing the time and money to repair the toolbox was in my best interests for the amount of return I was going to get.

And to use your socket example, just b/c someone buys those sockets with the intent to flip does not mean they are going to make the profit they seek. They are taking a risk thinking they will. When someone on here buys several ratchets to trade or flip b/c they got them at a great price, that is a good thing. These are becoming available to people looking through the Classifieds that wouldn't have access to them through this route otherwise. More people agree with my viewpoint than yours, which is also a good thing, as it is advantageous to our standard of living.

I hope you never buy anything from a Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart, whatever, b/c virtually everything you buy is from a middleman who is doing the very thing you deplore. :scared:
 
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C'mon, guys. Leave the politics and religion out of this. And cool the arguments, name-calling, etc. Drop it, or I'll lock this thread.

The OP merely asked a question. Do you ever buy tools just to resell? You can answer yes I do, no I don't, or etc, without saying or implying that people who do so are bad, immoral, greedy, or etc. And Garage Journal is no place for debates on religion. Take that debate elsewhere.

Of course we all have very different ideas about tools, trading of tools, collecting of tools, etc, etc. And we are all free to express our opinions on such things. But there is still no need for anyone to say that anyone who has a different perspective about such things is bad, stupid, greedy, etc, etc.

It's a shame when good threads get deleted or locked down when these foolish arguments get started. Either say some nice respectful comments here, or go away.

Sorry Lump, thats what I was trying to say in my own moronic way. Keep religion and politics out of the workshop and toolbox ;)
 

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Every couple of months I buy a huge collection of tools and sell them on eBay individually. I do it mostly to give my teenage kids the experience of running a business. I started it with my son, and now that he's away at school my 16 year old daughter is running the business. I provide the expertise, she provides the labor. All the sales, expenses and profits are reported to the IRS. And yes, we do make profits. We provide a service to the folks that sell us their tools, (they lack the time, expertise or just inclination to part their collections out). EBay buyers love us as a source for quality tools at great prices. 100% feedback over several thousand transactions is evidence of that.
 

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No. Everything I buy, I keep. I have occasionally given some tools away, but never bought one with the intention of reselling it.

Jim C.
 
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. All the sales, expenses and profits are reported to the IRS. And yes, we do make profits.

You actually report ALL your profit to the IRS Steve?? I figure you must have a lot of cash customers so I figure you'd be able to "fudge" the numbers to some degree if you wanted to. The way I see it EVERYBODY cheats on their income tax at the end of the year.... the only ones that get caught are the ones who blatantly try to get away with murder.

BTW... havent seen any tool boxes for sale from you in a while... have you sold any recently?
 

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I had hoped that GJ members could drop the bickering and accusations after I asked everyone to do so, but some of you cannot. So the thread is locked. Too bad. MOST of us could have enjoyed talking about the OP's subject without the acrimony. But sadly some of us could not.

From religion to politics to income taxes....NONE of these are appropriate subjects for Garage Journal. Talk about tools. Talk about cars, trucks, motorcycles, garages, shops, equipment, or whatever. But leave the insults, implications, religious debates, political arguments, etc, somewhere else.
 
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