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Just a tip from my build. I did all the planing I thought I needed but the city codes or I should say the city's or county's everchanging codes where a big pain. Do take your plans to your local residential planner and get some input from them too.
 
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Residential planner? I'm outside city limits with no HOA to contend with, so zoning is handled by the township and all other permitting and inspections are handled at the county level.

The township zoning office was great, the county building office though was nothing but bureaucracy. The inspectors are never in the office or available to talk to. Luckily they require pretty minimal drawings to issue a permit, so the process wasn't too onerous.

I'll do my best to meet or exceed code as I build, and hope for the best come time for inspection!
 
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Heavy storms today so no crew on site. Yesterday saw a lot less accomplished than I expected; basically removal of a bush and delivery of some basic forming lumber and metal stakes. They did a tiny amount of digging, I think mostly to erase a line I'd painted in the wrong spot.

Hoping for trenches and footers tomorrow. We'll see.
 
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The two man crew is back this morning, pulling string lines and setting batter boards. They told me that things would really get going tomorrow, with more people on site, gravel getting delivered, and major excavation getting started.

Hmm. Today wont see as much progress as I was hoping, it seems. I'm so excited that this project is under way, yet so frustrated with the pace it's moving at. All I can do at this stage is sit back and watch; they'll be done when they're done.

Nothing worth posting pictures of for now. Let's see where we end the day...
 
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Batter boards set and strings run, building laid out, excavation marked:

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Yes, that's a big stump right in front of the garage... I was hoping they'd dig it out when they brought excavation equipment on site, but since they already set batter boards I don't think that'll be happening. It'll need to be ground out after the foundation is done.

It may not seem like much got done, but most of today's effort went into removing a tree that was in front of the garage on the left side. This is about all that's left of it:

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The side yard in front of the garage is starting to get a little rough looking:

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No big deal though; some of the tree debris on the far left of that picture is from a wood pile they moved yesterday from a spot just to the right of where the garage is going, near the back. I didn't ask them to move it and I don't think it was *necessary*, but perhaps it would have gotten in the way of work, and it'll certainly be easier for me haul it off somewhere more appropriate now.

Besides, I'll be installing a gravel driveway and re-landscaping the entire area. It'll get scarred up plenty more by all the construction equipment and concrete and materials delivery and such.

Rain is expected here Friday and Saturday so unless they're planning to get the footers poured tomorrow, they wont be able to start significant excavation until next week.

That said, I was told to expect aggregate delivery and lots more workers on site tomorrow. I *hope* that means excavation, slab prep and footings tomorrow but that feels like wishful thinking at this point...

The GC told me when I signed the contract that "if my guys are here, I'll be here, so I'll be able to answer any questions you have as we go." His guys have been here two of the last three days and he has not... :dunno: If he doesn't show tomorrow, I'll be calling and asking for better communication, an explanation of the work plan and schedule, and daily updates on what to expect.

Biggest fear at this point: GC said "we have a couple of big jobs starting in September, so we should be able to get yours knocked out in the next week or so prior to those." Is my 36' x 56' foundation and slab a small enough job that I'll get side-lined if it's not finished before the "big" jobs start?

I paid $7,500 deposit and didn't put anything in writing regarding timelines. I'm definitely wishing I had... :scared:
 

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I am curious why the area is taped off when I think they need to be in the center cutting out sod and a few inches of topsoil...you really don't want organic material and humus as the base for your concrete, in my opinion.

Also you didn't say what kind of foundation system you are going with ?

I will recommend its a very good idea to have your wall sections designed for rough length, specifically the breaks in bottom plates. The inspectors in my locality were quite particular about the anchor bolt locations. One can of course put them in after the fact as an epoxy anchor but its 5-10x the cost of a L-shaped bolt. I highly recommend the galvanized versions despite the extra cost.
 
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I am curious why the area is taped off when I think they need to be in the center cutting out sod and a few inches of topsoil...you really don't want organic material and humus as the base for your concrete, in my opinion.

I assume just as a safety precaution while they aren't actively working. They're here this morning digging footer trenches and scraping off topsoil. They removed the caution tape when they got started.

Also you didn't say what kind of foundation system you are going with ?

They described it as a monolithic slab and frost wall foundation, but then said they'd pour the footers in one step and then form and pour the monolithic slab in a separate step... :lol_hitti Best I can figure, they're going to dig a perimeter trench to frost depth and fill it with concrete to make a 12" x 30" deep footer / frost wall, then pour a slab over top of that? :confused:

I will recommend its a very good idea to have your wall sections designed for rough length, specifically the breaks in bottom plates. The inspectors in my locality were quite particular about the anchor bolt locations. One can of course put them in after the fact as an epoxy anchor but its 5-10x the cost of a L-shaped bolt. I highly recommend the galvanized versions despite the extra cost.

I don't have engineered plans for this project. I did the "design work", such as it is, myself. My plans don't specify anchor placement... The local inspector specified a requirement for anchors every 6' OC and not more than 12" from corners; if I comply with that and they have issues with the result, I'll have to address their concerns at that time.

I definitely agree on galvanized, since they'll be passing through treated lumber.

Thanks for the feedback and advice!
 

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Good to see the plans finally enter the physical stage. You will be glad when finished.

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Thanks Dwight; there's none more pleased than me! :)

Today was a big day, a lot more got done (GC was on site, maybe that's why!) They brought in a mini-ex today to add to the skid-steer already on site.

First they scraped off the sod and top soil, then started digging for the footers. As they got started on that, 21 tonne of gravel got dropped off:

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Then more digging. Lots more... :eyecrazy:

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They got the footers dug, though it looks like there was a bit of a cave in on one corner:

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My building permit says I have to call for the following inspections:

  1. Soil and footer forms before pouring concrete.
  2. Framing and electric before covering.
  3. Final Building And Electric.

I think they're putting concrete directly into the trench, only forming above grade for the slab, so it's possible they called for inspection and will pour the footers tomorrow before the rain comes. If not, I don't think they're going to be happy with what they have to work with after the Labour Day weekend...

On a closing note, I thought temperatures outside today were milder but didn't realize how bad the humidity was. The junior member of the crew came begging for ice water three times.

So I went out after work and got a couple crates of water, a crate of Gatorade, and even some beer for the crew for tomorrow. I got about half of it stashed in a cooler for them.

Which is how I found out my ice maker in the fridge is having issues :eyecrazy: Now I have a cooler full of not cold beverages and will have to run out to get ice in the morning for the gesture to mean much! :headscrat
 
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Not much got done on Friday. The 'crew' got gravel spread and compacted, and some extra gravel was brought in to finish that job. Then they knocked off for the day as rain moved in.

The Labour Day weekend was welcomed in by light but persistent rain. It was ushered out by torrential storms. I wasn't expecting to see anyone on site today, but they're here. For two hours now they've been pumping water and digging mud out of the foundation trench.

The goal today apparently is to clean up after the rain and get rebar set in the trench. The GC is not on site, so I doubt anything more than that will get done.
 
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The GC is not on site, so I doubt anything more than that will get done.

In fact, less than that got done. They came back this morning and got two rows of rebar around the bottom of the trench. No vertical rebar or additional horizontals higher up. Doesn't look ready to pour a footer to me...

They also brought in concrete forms. But didn't set them up or anything...

I'm a bit confused by the whole process. Originally we talked about a monolithic pour, but somehow that turned into footers first, then pour a mono slab. Or something.

The GC wasn't on site again today. I'm not sure if what's been completed is all he expected to get completed today. He had me call for a "Soil and footer forms" inspection, which is scheduled for tomorrow.

I thought any concrete pour had to have an inspection before pouring but it seems in this case the only inspection will be for the footer. Once they get the inspection and pour the footer, they're free to form and pour the rest with no additional inspection? :3gears:

Put in a call to the GC, but it was past 5pm so he may not pick up my message until morning...
 
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So after a brief conversation with the GC and a slightly longer one with the main guy on site doing the work, frustration levels are much reduced. Now I know what's going on.

Apparently, this is all that's need to pass the "Soil and footer forms" inspection:

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Concrete is ordered for tomorrow for the footer. Apparently the footer will fill the trench to about the halfway mark; that'll provide a flat surface to set the forms on to get the slab edge flat and in the exact right place.

There will be vertical rebar, and another double row of horizontal rebar near the top. It sounds like the verticals will be stabbed in after the concrete goes in the hole. I thought it had to go in first, and be wired to the rebar already in the hole, but I guess not? :dunno:

They brought in all the mesh for the slab today; I'm guessing that'll go in after the footer is poured so it's not a trip hazard during that process.

So, tomorrow footers; then set forms around the perimeter, finish up the rebar, add insulation and vapor barrier and get the mesh in; finally, pour and finish the rest of the concrete.

I'm probably missing some steps :) But at least I understand the rough order of what they're doing.

And they gave guidance on the timeline which I hadn't had up 'til now: they say they should be finished by the end of next week. Yay!
 
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I didn't post an update on Friday's work so the post brings the project up to date. Basically what was planned on Thursday happened on Friday... Concrete went in the trenches, and vertical rebar went in the concrete.

I was sitting in my office working as usual when I heard and then saw the concrete truck arriving. Concrete placement:

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And the results after working the 'crete and adding the rebar:

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Water supply and drain for a utility sink got rough plumbed -- for some reason not quite in line with where the GC trenched for that... :willy_nil
 
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Shot of the rough plumbing -- unfortunately I didn't get a pic of pre pour setup they used to support/brace the conduit (which is 2" PVC):

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I'd have liked to have had the pipe come out lower (it's right at frost depth; below frost depth would have been better I think...) and I've yet to measure to find out if the change in location is going to be a problem when I frame for the 16' garage door that's going just to the right of the pipes... at least, I hope the RO is still to the right of where the pipes come up! :willy_nil

Oh, and conduits for electric and other sundries have yet to be added; they'll come in over, obviously, the footer.

BTW: it's now official, I now have the first permanent piece of foundation and slab installed. I'd better hope I correctly identified the bounds of the easement I mentioned earlier in the thread... there's no changing the placement of the building now!

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Journal update:

On Monday very little got done besides spreading more under slab gravel. The GC was supposed to be on site to discuss getting PEX in the slab for hydronic heat, but he never showed up.

Tuesday (today) saw a little more get done before rain shut work down for the day. Forms were set all along one long wall. The GC was on site and told his guy to schedule concrete for Tuesday, which gives them a deadline to finish the form work, and other slab prep. Here's how they left things today:

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I talked to the GC about getting PEX in. Since I don't have detailed construction plans for them to work off, and they don't have familiarity with designing / installing hydronic heat systems, this ends up being my job... :shocking:

So I ran to Lowes for supplies after work. I picked up 1200ft of 1/2" PEX pipe (4 300ft rolls, in a mix of colours because they didn't have four rolls of the same colour... :dunno:

I also picked up the fittings to rig a temporary pressure test manifold setup. It's not pretty, but it'll get the job done. I'll need to build a manifold well to set it into the slab. Here's a partial dry assembly:

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The 1/2" PEX will be sleeved with 3/4" for the first 12-18" where it enters the concrete; hopefully left-over 3/4" PEX will do the job to connect the formed manifolds to the rest of the assembly.

Including all the PEX, fittings, crimp clamp rings, cutting and crimping tools and a few sundries like zip ties to secure the PEX runs, I'm into it for just over $600. This system isn't going to be adequate heating on its own, but it'll keep stuff in the shop from freezing and make the concrete a lot more pleasant to walk and work on in the winter.
 
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Well, you're a few steps ahead of me in the analysis to paralysis shop planning/build.

This will be a great space! Sure hope the project goes well, and maybe the communication improves.
 
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Well, you're a few steps ahead of me in the analysis to paralysis shop planning/build.

This will be a great space! Sure hope the project goes well, and maybe the communication improves.

Thanks for reading Pluribus! Communication will cease to be an issue once the foundation and slab are complete, since I wont have contractors involved from that point on... :rocker:
 
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Well I didn't post updates for the last week or so because things were moving so slow. The Tuesday pour got waved off as the guys continued working on erecting forms and finalizing under-slab prep work.

I was expecting to install all my PEX last weekend, but there was no mesh in yet. We finally got to that point this past week, so I spent Thursday, Friday and Saturday evening and Sunday afternoon getting that done. Didn't get finished until well past midnight on Sunday, so the pictures aren't great -- but I took a tonne of them for future reference.

I think the install came out quite tidy overall, though I'm not entirely happy with how everything routes in/out of the manifold well. It'll work though.

Mesh installed:

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Less than tidy where the pipes enter and exit the manifold well, but I'm pretty happy how the rest turned out! I used three different colours of PEX because that's what was available on the shelf.

Each loop is 300' except the last one, as I ran out of space to get more in on that loop. I'll need a proportioning valve if hooked up. The first loop is short a few feet, too, as the contractor relocated my pressure test manifold for some reason, and I didn't catch it until he was gone for the weekend.

I'll try and get some better overview pictures in the morning; concrete is scheduled to be here at 7:30am, and the crew will be here 5:30am to final prep for the pour.

Tomorrow I'll have a slab! :bounce:
 

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Oh, and for the record, I used almost an entire bag of 800 zip-ties (including the ones I cut back out to make adjustments as I went)! Took over an hour to go back through and cut all the tails off so they wouldn't cause problems for the pour and finish...
 
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Today was the big day: time to place some concrete! :rocker:

I woke up around dawn to find the pump truck already on site and ready for action. I only had a brief opportunity to further 'document' my PEX work:

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Then the first truck load of concrete arrived and the action started, so I got out of the way:

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The GC was on site for the entire pour, with a crew of 4 (the two regular guys that have done most of the work over the last few weeks and two others I haven't seen before). The pump truck operator helped out by running the boom (by wireless remote control no less) but it was basically a five man crew doing the placement.

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They started by filling in the thickened edge of the slab on top of the footer. I was pleased to see, once that mud was in, they vibrated it to eliminate voids.

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That was the first truck load and it was all-change time! There were four trucks of concrete total for this job.

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The GC mostly ran the pump (with the help of the pump truck operator) to manage placement, the junior guy on the crew mostly raked and shoveled to assist the screeding process, and the other three guys sort of rotated roles.

The welded wire mesh and PEX were lifted as they went; having seen the process in action, I don't have much faith that it stayed lifted, even with the buoyancy from the PEX pipe; if I had a do-over I think I'd request rebar with supports instead.

They screeded as they went, and had a guy following behind the screeding to bull float. I just realized looking at this picture that they seem to have some sort of laser level on their screeding boards, so I'm hoping they got it darn flat! :lol:

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Look at all those hours of work placing that PEX getting covered up, never to be seen again! Almost gone: :lol_hitti

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(continued...)

The contrast between screeded and bull floated:

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Almost done placing...

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The GC told me to expect his guys to be working 'til nine or so that night to finish the slab, depending on how quick the concrete set up. I was surprised to see them start tooling the edges and power troweling as soon as they did.

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By 3PM everyone cleared off site and it looked like they were done:

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How little did I know! My two main guys were shortly back, running the power trowel over the slab again. I was surprised to see them misting the slab with water as they did so... helping bring up the cream I guess? :dunno:

The big surprise, though, was when I saw them start snapping chalk lines. My GC originally told me control joints would be cut the day after the pour so I was like, "are they getting ready to saw cut it today?"

Yup, they sure were. They had to leave to go fetch a different saw, as the one they'd brought turned out to have too deep a minimum cut depth and they were worried about damaging my PEX. The slab was poured 4" thick and they cut 1" control joints into it.

And that's how they ended up being here 'til almost 9PM; those cuts took a long time, even with a really hefty looking saw:

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It was a loonng day, especially for the two guys that worked to the end, so I offered to buy them dinner when I went out to pick up food for me and the wife. They said a sincere thanks, but no thanks -- I think they just wanted to get finished.

Finally, a teaser shot; best I can do until daylight!

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The crew were here briefly this morning to retrieve the concrete saw, blow off the slab, and drop off the skid steer in preparation for back filling and site cleanup.

A few detail shots of the finished slab:

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Turns out yesterday when the crew pulled out they were just dropping the concrete saw off to another job; they were back later the same morning to start wrecking forms and cleaning up the slab. They used large hand held saw to finish the control joint cuts out to the edges of the slab as they stripped the forms off.

This morning they came back and finished pulling the forms, completed the control joint cuts, addressed some imperfections in the finish and did more clean up. They got called onto another job around 1PM so the slab will be sealed tomorrow.

Here's a look at the completed slab from the deck behind my home office:

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And a closer look:

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I think their forms resulted in a nice finished edge, and they did set J-bolts appropriately (I supplied a schedule specifying all the door openings so they could place the J-bolts appropriately around those):

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Slab penetrations (I had one more conduit than I plan to use installed, just in case):

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I should have covered the manifold well, but it's not too much of a mess:

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Looking at that picture now I see the control joints could have used a little more attention to detail here; I'll at least have them finish that one cut that stops short.

Finally, a picture standing at the back of the slab facing toward the front of my property.

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My wife said it looked smaller than she thought it would until the forms went up. With the addition of verticality the said, "That's HUGE!" :lol: I, on the other hand, thought it looked huge up until the point they took the forms down and I went walking on it. Somehow it feels small now? :lol_hitti

Anyhow, tomorrow I'll be making a third payment, balance due on final completion. Once the concrete is fully cleaned up and sealed they'll use the dirt they excavated to backfill, trench for water and electric, then spread the rest of the excavated dirt where I want it as part of final site clean-up.

Almost done with this phase! :rocker:
 

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Coming along quite nicely! Congrats. Kind of unusual to see them cut the joints the same day of the pour. Seems to have worked out. Have fun with the next phase!
 
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Yeah, it's taken literally three months from the first conversation with the contractor to now, but the results were worth it. They produced a really nice looking slab for me, and have really stepped up when it counted.

Now it's *my* turn... lol
 
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Quicky update: the crew came back and sealed the slab, back-filled around it, graded it out nicely, and even filled/regraded all the ruts and other damage to the yard. I wasn't here and available the day they did that, so I didn't have a chance to have them clean up / finish the control joints around the manifold well; I'll have to rent a saw and do it myself. The next day they came back to clear the one remaining debris pile (mostly lumps of concrete from the delivery trucks cleaning out) and then collect their skidsteer.

As frustrated as I was at times, the two guys that did most all of the work were awesome (especially on slab pour day, which they put in a good 15 or 16 hours for). So before they pulled out for the last time I thanked them properly: verbally, and with a $100 bonus each. That earned me a bear hug from the lead guy... :yikes:

I have take-off lists with the blue, orange and green big box stores that I'm waiting for quotes on (kicking myself for not getting quotes while the slab was in progress!). They all say that once I place the order they should be able to deliver my lumber package in a couple of days.

Time's a-wasting, though! Tomorrow I'm going to hook my trailer up and go buy enough lumber to frame the first wall, get all my tools set up and figure out a workflow. By the time I get a lumber drop I should be ready to rock!
 
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Wow... big orange just called to tell me they had a quote ready... except it was for a pole barn because, "our garage estimator program doesn't go that big, so I had to quote it as a pole barn instead."

I told him I wasn't building a pole barn, I was stick framing. His response was, "well, at least I have a materials list for you if you want to come in and pick it up?" Yeah, a materials list that is no use to me. I told him that wasn't going to work for me.

The saddest part is, I *gave* him a materials list to work off; all he had to do was price it, but apparently he isn't able to work that way. :3gears:
 
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Wednesday night a friend recommended a lumber yard to me; he said they were his contractor ex-FIL's preferred supplier, and my step-son said that Ryan Homes (who he recently started working for) got all their lumber from there. So I gave them a call. They told me, "We're not in the lumber business anymore, we're strictly a hardware store now." :shocking:

So then I asked if they could recommend a supplier. They gave me the name of the company that they viewed as their biggest competitor when they were doing lumber supply.

I called that company and sent them a materials list. They said they *only* did lumber and sheet goods, so they could only quote me a framing package; I'd have to shop elsewhere for trusses, siding and roofing. Oh, "and I won't be able to start working on this quote until Monday, so it'll be Tuesday or Wednesday before I get back to you." :willy_nil

Meanwhile the guy from Lowes keeps calling me to tell me he's revising this or that on his quote. The initial Lowes quote was $5k cheaper than the Menards quote, so I was pushing to get it finalized. Then I realized that (a) the price difference was in the truss package, which they spec'd at 32' instead of 36'; and (b) they'd substituted regular OSB plus foam insulation for the Zip Panel system sheathing with integrated vapor barrier that I’d spec’d… and they never did get back to me with a revised truss package. :dunno:

All told, I went back and forth with the various suppliers over a dozen times, including about six round trips to the Menards store, before finally getting an order placed at the end of the week. Plus one more trip to Menards when I discovered they'd dropped the sheathing off the order! :mad:

Anyway, the sheathing is special order and wont be here 'til the end of the week, but today (Monday) saw my framing package and other sundries arrive on site!

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More in next post...
 
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I used the Menards Design-It Center estimator tool to generate my initial materials list. The tool has its limitations; it wouldn't go over 32' on the building width, didn't have the right door size selections, and so forth. But it provided a good starting point.

I know I want metal roofing, and a maintenance free board-and-batten look siding, but I don't have final materials selected for those applications, so I picked options that were in the right ball park, then had the estimator at Menards prepare a custom order that corrected for the estimation tool's limitations, and elided the trusses (don't want them on site until I'm ready to install them), roofing and siding.

He deleted off the sheathing, too, by mistake, and left in some finish materials that I'd probably have made a separate order for later down the line to avoid having to store them until needed.

I've ended up with some stuff I definitely don't need (three rolls of Typar house wrap, for example) and some stuff I might not use (finish moldings that may not work with the siding I end up choosing) but I have my basic lumber package!

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Unfortunately we just had two days straight of steady rain, so trying to get the materials back to the slab location was carnage:

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Now I have the task of re-staging everything from in front of the house :-( And of course the treated sill plates are at the bottom of the package, so I'd have been moving a lot of lumber to unbury those anyway.

The delivery driver, after bailing out of the mud pit, told me that he'd only gotten stuck one time since becoming a delivery driver. So of course he got stuck turning around to leave... :bounce:

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Putting the buggy back on the truck put enough weight on the rear wheels for him to get unstuck, just.

And here we are, ready to get everything stashed or staged and start framing:

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One nice thing about Menards' estimator tool is how comprehensive it is. It even included sill sealer foam, nails, and clear silicon sealer for the doors and windows!

On the top of the stack in that last photo you can see the Typar, finish moldings, stair balusters (not needed) and soffit material. I need to stash that all away until later.

And on the bottom, the treated lumber I need to start... :lol_hitti
 
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laurie71

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Speaking of rain, the slab does show some standing water where it isn't 100% flat:

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The font left corner is definately the worst spot:

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But for the size of slab, I don't think it's at all bad.
 

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Its interesting that Lowes and Home Depot are trying to compete with Menards on the packages!
I asked Lowes here and they said No they didn't have a person that could put together a garage package. HD, I only checked the website and didn't find a Design it yourself tool.
I haven't read your whole thread yet but will get caught up!
 
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TractorJeff, Lowes had a guy who was able to work off the (inaccurate) materials list from the Menards estimator tool; I don't know how good his materials estimates were. Home Depot didn't have anyone who could work up a package, apparently; they just have people who know how to run their internal estimator tools equivalent to what Menards has -- with similar limitations, apparently.

Menards, on the other hand, employs a guy who's entire job is around estimating jobs, for pros and DIYers.

Lumber package arrived today, so the thread is about to pick back up big time!
 
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So the top-most package of today's three was trim moldings, soffit and facia materials and a few OSB sheets intended for header fill material. I probably won't use the OSB, and definitely won't be needing the rest for a while, so it was off to the barn with it.

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Rigged and ready to roll. Well, sort of. I have two 1.5 tone ratchet straps, both very worn and frayed, and one cut short where it got a knot I couldn't get loose... It's all I had on hand so I proceeded, with caution.

I kept the load low to the ground so if a strap let loose there was less chance of anything getting damaged -- until I came to a choke point where I was too wide to get through. Had to lift that load up and over a (not running) car!

Made it without incident and stashed all the trim materials in the barn. Then it was just a matter of taking the OSB over to the build site.

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Next was to move the assorted lumber package. I don't have forks for the FEL so the rigging was a little fiddlesome. I was a lot more nervous of those worn out ratchet straps here, considering the amount of lumber. Also, not too sure the tractor was going to have the beef for the job...

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I did manage to move it. But only a few inches before I exceeded the load capacity of the tractor and everything stopped moving... :headscrat Guessing I'm moving and restocking that lot by hand... :-(
 
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Lumber staging day!

A little HF utility trailer hooked to the ATV seemed like a good way not to have to carry each board all the way around to the back of the house individually!

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The ATV did surprisingly well hauling the weight I loaded up. The first load I stacked onto the trailer I was able to get just where I wanted it to re-stage. The second load was a bit heavier... That led to getting stuck in the mud by the slab... :eek:

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A lot of the 2x4 material ended up spilling off the trailer as it sunk and as I unloaded the other lumber in that load. The ATV and trailer were trapped in the mud and pinned by the tumbling 2x4s, so I used the tractor to grab the last load:

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I dropped that on the slab and then got distracted by the idea that the tractor could help rescue me from the tumbled 2x4s and pinned trailer problem. I dragged the 2x4s I could get hold of off the trailer, got the trailer and ATV out of the mud, and put the equipment away.

Most of the lumber is nicely stacked by size, ready to be pulled off and used. I should be able to get to anything I need without moving any other lumber to get to it. Pretty happy with the result of lumber staging:

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In the background you can see the last load I brought to the slab waiting to be tidied up and the mess of 2x4s out in the mud. I did get the 2x4s tidied up, though not the other pile:

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In that pic you can also see a little something I scored from TSC the night before:

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They had it mis-shelved and priced at $24.98. I saw that and thought, "no way!" Sure enough, it was supposed to be $99.98. But they had a price marked and per corporate policy (and, I think, legal obligation) they let me have it for that. So now I have on-site tool storage.

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Made my first sawdust today! That sounds so much more significant than it was though...

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I started by scattering the plate stock for the first wall to be framed, and gathering my measuring and marking implements. Then I got started on job one, transfering the J-bolt locations onto the sill plates and drilling for them.

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Or not drilling for them. How is it that the one drill bit missing from the set is the one I need? :dunno: Next trip to the hardware store I'll pick up a new 1/2" spade bit, as well as spread washers to put under the J-bolt nuts.

In the mean time I pressed on and marked the sill and first 12' top plate at 24" OC:

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Here's where I discovered a couple of problems. First, there's a J-bolt right at 12' where I need a stud. :willy_nil I gave the concrete crew a copy of the framing schedule I put together specifically so that they could avoid doing that.

Unfortunately I didn't think through the implications of that until after I'd taken this next step... The 2x6-12' stock I have is a consistent 12' 7/16" long, so the top plate breaks across a stud but only leaves just over 1/4" of the stud exposed for the next plate to nail into.

I know I can probably angle the nails in and make it work, but I figured it'd only take a minute to trim the end off the plate and get a better fit -- especially since the problem would compound as I worked on down the wall.

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Trimmed, the plate breaks perfectly over where the stud was supposed to go. If it wasn't for the problem with the J-bolt... :eek:

So now I have to figure out whether to notch the stud over the bolt, or hold it off it's mark to clear. I'd just hold it off if it wasn't a stud that sheathing will break on. At the 12' mark, I may be better off notching it.

I'll go re-measure and see exactly how much the J-bolt interferes; if I can shift the stud less than 1/2" I can probably get away with it.

I have to run to the Apple Store to get my computer fixed in a little while, so I quit early and packed the tools away so I could come in and clean up. Last task before I went back into the house was spread the studs so I'm ready to start nailing in the morning:

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Tomorrow should see the first section of wall framed and stood! And things should start going a lot faster from there.
 

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If it's that close to standing on the J-bolt and a panel break, I'd step the actual stud to the side to clear the bolt, and 'sister' a 2x4 to it as panel nailer on the break. Structurally sound (unbroken column between plates) and greatest nailing area for the panels.

My .02 YPU (Yankee Purchasing Unit) on the subject. :)
 
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