To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Everlast Multiprocess owners?

Kaizen

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 9, 2015
Messages
6,938
Location
New England
Pretty sure i'm pulling the trigger on this next week.
https://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/mig/powermts-251si-tig-package

Wondering if anyone has had one and how it has done? Been seeing positive reviews from youtube fab channels and weld.com
For the money this seems it will do what i want and more. I have a problem paying 3 times more for same features on esab, miller, or the big names. My little eastwood 110 machine has been great for a decade but now need a 220 machine.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

BukitCase

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 11, 2017
Messages
1,075
Location
Oregon
I have its baby brother, no mig or pulse (don't care, have MM252 and MM211)

https://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/tig-stick/power-i-tig-200t

it's past its 5 year warranty, still going strong -

Mine uses that same control panel, it's easier than it first appears - also, I see yours can take up to 12" wire spools. If you do a lot of mig, usually the bigger spools cost noticeably less per pound.

If you care, I'd ask whether the tig mode (WITH pulse) will do aluminum, since that model is a DC unit... Steve
 
OP
K

Kaizen

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 9, 2015
Messages
6,938
Location
New England
I have its baby brother, no mig or pulse (don't care, have MM252 and MM211)



https://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/tig-stick/power-i-tig-200t



it's past its 5 year warranty, still going strong -



Mine uses that same control panel, it's easier than it first appears - also, I see yours can take up to 12" wire spools. If you do a lot of mig, usually the bigger spools cost noticeably less per pound.



If you care, I'd ask whether the tig mode (WITH pulse) will do aluminum, since that model is a DC unit... Steve



Good to hear it’s going well. I must admit I am uneducated above normal mig use so have not wrapped my brain around all the differences. It says it’s got synergic mig, pulse mig and pulse tig. Do you think this means it won’t work?


Sent from my iPhone using The Garage Journal mobile app
 

BukitCase

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 11, 2017
Messages
1,075
Location
Oregon
Here's the brochure for the machine
https://www.everlastgenerators.com/...products/4d6e6de82cf0cdad922090f60ed6f3df.pdf

On the main description page they left out THIS statement from the brochure -
"TIG weld function for all metals except for Aluminum." Which should actually include Magnesium in the "can't do" column. Just about every OTHER metal can be mig welded with different shielding gases. (And different wire, of course)

If you think you're gonna want to do aluminum, you could either add another $600 for their Parker spool gun
https://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/parker-dsp-360-spool-gun-20-ft-cable

Or "downgrade" to the smaller (but AC/DC) version
https://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/mig/powermts-221-sti-tig-package

Lower power (not a good idea for thickner aluminum) and only takes 8" spools (not a big deal unless you're gonna use a LOT of wire)

Plus side of the 221 - can tig aluminum, your first choice NEVER can (UNLESS you can find a source of helium, not easy these days).

Your choice CAN MIG aluminum, with the addition of straight Argon and a $600 spool gun, but it'll never be as "pretty" or "cool" as tigged.

It'd be easier for us to make suggestions as to which way to go if we had a better idea of your intentions/possibilities; types of metals, thicknesses, frequency of use, etc - Show us your dreams, so we can help you spend YOUR $$$$ :lol_hitti ... Steve
 
Last edited:

carmantl

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 19, 2015
Messages
237
We bought the little Everlast stick/tig inverters ( I think called the 160 dual voltage?)to replace our Miller Maxstar 150s and couldn't be happier. They cost less than a third of the Millers and have a 5 yr warranty vs. Miller's 3 yr one.
 
OP
K

Kaizen

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 9, 2015
Messages
6,938
Location
New England
Here's the brochure for the machine
https://www.everlastgenerators.com/...products/4d6e6de82cf0cdad922090f60ed6f3df.pdf

On the main description page they left out THIS statement from the brochure -
"TIG weld function for all metals except for Aluminum." Which should actually include Magnesium in the "can't do" column. Just about every OTHER metal can be mig welded with different shielding gases. (And different wire, of course)

If you think you're gonna want to do aluminum, you could either add another $600 for their Parker spool gun
https://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/parker-dsp-360-spool-gun-20-ft-cable

Or "downgrade" to the smaller (but AC/DC) version
https://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/mig/powermts-221-sti-tig-package

Lower power (not a good idea for thickner aluminum) and only takes 8" spools (not a big deal unless you're gonna use a LOT of wire)

Plus side of the 221 - can tig aluminum, your first choice NEVER can (UNLESS you can find a source of helium, not easy these days).

Your choice CAN MIG aluminum, with the addition of straight Argon and a $600 spool gun, but it'll never be as "pretty" or "cool" as tigged.

It'd be easier for us to make suggestions as to which way to go if we had a better idea of your intentions/possibilities; types of metals, thicknesses, frequency of use, etc - Show us your dreams, so we can help you spend YOUR $$$$ :lol_hitti ... Steve



That cracked me up.
My story is I bought a 300 dollar Eastwood 135 ten years ago to restore a car. Love it still. But after building a car rotisserie and swing gates using 1/4 inch tube and flux core I want to jump to a 220 machine. Goal is to have a machine that can gas mig 1/4 inch steel in one pass. Initially was looking at 800 dollar machines to get that. But found this everlast and really like pulse features for less spatter and grinding. Would like to get great at tig and while it would be nice to do aluminum I am ok with not being able to. Only had one instance ever where I was asked to.
Budget under 2k for everything this everlast has included. Ruled out Hobart Miller Eastwood harbor freight esab and Lincoln. Their price was too much for a one trick pony or they needed additional equipment that put it in the range of this machine.


Sent from my iPhone using The Garage Journal mobile app
 

BukitCase

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 11, 2017
Messages
1,075
Location
Oregon
Now we're getting there, sounds like you're looking at the right machine for you - if you get serious about aluminum later, you can always add the spool gun. AND a bottle of straight argon.

With that in mind, when you fab a cart you may wanna model it after Miller's "dual running gear" option for the MM252 - I got tired of that option on my MM252, 'cause it expects you to hang a 30' spool gun AND the work lead AND a 15' mig gun on ONE lead hanger.

My solution was to put a steel garden hose hanger on the OTHER side of the bottle rack for the spool gun. I like it a LOT better that way. Just make sure that any cart you fab does NOT get in the way of opening the wire feed door; you can thank me later :=)

As I mentioned, my Everlast tig/stick has the same control panel with 9 memory slots - about the ONLY complaint I have about that setup is the lack of NAMING those presets; they're just numbered 1 thru 9. They CAN be used with any process on my power iTig200T, description on yours sounds the same. My solution to that is a small notebook I keep with the machine. I guess an alphanumeric display woulda cost more to include...

Power wise, that machine should have no trouble gluing 1/4 wall tube as fast as you can tack it up - as for clean welds, my MM252 is about the same size but a transformer machine; the following pics are of a pushing jig for bending U shapes from 1/2"x3' FB - jig material is 3/4x3 FB and 1-1/2" cold roll rod. The U shapes are part of a QA mod for the loader on my Case 580B.

Welds are 2 pass, fairly deep root and a wide cover pass, .035" Lincoln L56 wire and C25 gas. around 500 IPM, so right at 250 amps. I didn't have a bottle of 90/10 at the time, so these welds were done short circuit.

Press is the HF 20 ton; it was BARELY able to complete the push, and only with a couple squirts of motor oil on the mouth of the jig.

Anyway, a few pics - BTW, that project STILL isn't done; life really CAN be the **** that happens to ya while yer busy makin' plans :confused:... Steve
 

Attachments

  • DSCN1269.jpg
    DSCN1269.jpg
    147.2 KB · Views: 104
  • DSCN1271.jpg
    DSCN1271.jpg
    147.5 KB · Views: 102
  • DSCN1272.jpg
    DSCN1272.jpg
    147.5 KB · Views: 92
  • DSCN1287.jpg
    DSCN1287.jpg
    146.5 KB · Views: 91
  • DSCN1288.jpg
    DSCN1288.jpg
    150.3 KB · Views: 99
  • DSCN1289.jpg
    DSCN1289.jpg
    150 KB · Views: 87
  • DSCN1333.jpg
    DSCN1333.jpg
    124 KB · Views: 93
OP
K

Kaizen

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 9, 2015
Messages
6,938
Location
New England
Now we're getting there, sounds like you're looking at the right machine for you - if you get serious about aluminum later, you can always add the spool gun. AND a bottle of straight argon.



With that in mind, when you fab a cart you may wanna model it after Miller's "dual running gear" option for the MM252 - I got tired of that option on my MM252, 'cause it expects you to hang a 30' spool gun AND the work lead AND a 15' mig gun on ONE lead hanger.



My solution was to put a steel garden hose hanger on the OTHER side of the bottle rack for the spool gun. I like it a LOT better that way. Just make sure that any cart you fab does NOT get in the way of opening the wire feed door; you can thank me later :=)



As I mentioned, my Everlast tig/stick has the same control panel with 9 memory slots - about the ONLY complaint I have about that setup is the lack of NAMING those presets; they're just numbered 1 thru 9. They CAN be used with any process on my power iTig200T, description on yours sounds the same. My solution to that is a small notebook I keep with the machine. I guess an alphanumeric display woulda cost more to include...



Power wise, that machine should have no trouble gluing 1/4 wall tube as fast as you can tack it up - as for clean welds, my MM252 is about the same size but a transformer machine; the following pics are of a pushing jig for bending U shapes from 1/2"x3' FB - jig material is 3/4x3 FB and 1-1/2" cold roll rod. The U shapes are part of a QA mod for the loader on my Case 580B.



Welds are 2 pass, fairly deep root and a wide cover pass, .035" Lincoln L56 wire and C25 gas. around 500 IPM, so right at 250 amps. I didn't have a bottle of 90/10 at the time, so these welds were done short circuit.



Press is the HF 20 ton; it was BARELY able to complete the push, and only with a couple squirts of motor oil on the mouth of the jig.



Anyway, a few pics - BTW, that project STILL isn't done; life really CAN be the **** that happens to ya while yer busy makin' plans :confused:... Steve



Now that’s the size I want to be able to do. Those look good to my eye. Thanks for your feedback


Sent from my iPhone using The Garage Journal mobile app
 

BukitCase

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 11, 2017
Messages
1,075
Location
Oregon
"Those look good to my eye. Thanks for your feedback"

You're welcome; proof of the pudding - that bending jig STILL looks like it did in the "before" pics. I have at least one more projected use for it. Involves making some 1/4" thick U brackets for a few 2" tube gates; 1/4" x 3" FB, make one extra blank and leave it in place on the pusher, that way all the OTHER pieces will end up with a 2" ID bend :bounce:

BTW, for people just starting to weld - notice I did NOT weld ACROSS the base of that jig. If I had, the mouth of the jig would've been shaped like a trapezoid instead of parallel walls... Steve
 

sberry

Banned
Joined
Jun 18, 2005
Messages
35,747
Location
Brethren, Michigan
We bought the little Everlast stick/tig inverters ( I think called the 160 dual voltage?)to replace our Miller Maxstar 150s and couldn't be happier. They cost less than a third of the Millers and have a 5 yr warranty vs. Miller's 3 yr one.
Sounds like more than one? How many and how hard do you burn on them?
 

carmantl

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 19, 2015
Messages
237
Myself and the other 2 foreman all have one on our service trucks. They don't get used every day, probably once or twice a week. They have outlasted AND out-performed the Millers. Burn the motherboard in a Miller and they want a grand to replace it. We've had the Everlasts over four years now and not a single problem. And Yes, they will burn a 7018 1/8" on 110 if you are a good weldor. With 220 available anyone can run 7018 1/8 with ease.
 

carmantl

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 19, 2015
Messages
237
Even our best weldors had to go down to 3/32" rods if only 110v was available to the Millers.
 

xman_charl

Well-known member
Joined
May 16, 2017
Messages
194
Location
Northern California
owned MTS 211Si since Jan 16, 2017

good welder

good foot pedal

mostly use mig function

your-mig-memory-settings.jpg








Charl
 

Aaron_W

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 6, 2018
Messages
2,890
Location
Northern California
Similar Lincoln or Miller is not 3x the price, more like 50% more. The Miller 215 or Lincoln 210MP would be the closest to that Everlast. With TIG package both run about $2100.

At 2x the price you can get a multi-process AC / DC TIG welder from Miller or ESAB (220 ACDC or Rebel 205) which can be found for $2999.

Just providing more realistic price comparisons. I have no experience with Everlast, and not trying to dissuade you from considering that machine, but it isn't 1/3 the price of the name brands.
 
OP
K

Kaizen

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 9, 2015
Messages
6,938
Location
New England
Similar Lincoln or Miller is not 3x the price, more like 50% more. The Miller 215 or Lincoln 210MP would be the closest to that Everlast. With TIG package both run about $2100.

At 2x the price you can get a multi-process AC / DC TIG welder from Miller or ESAB (220 ACDC or Rebel 205) which can be found for $2999.

Just providing more realistic price comparisons. I have no experience with Everlast, and not trying to dissuade you from considering that machine, but it isn't 1/3 the price of the name brands.



I spent way too long looking at all the other names. The only thing that Miller has that would be nice is the two gas inlets. But the 3k Miller still lacks the tig equipment, high frequency start, and availability for a cooler. Not sure what I’d have to spend to get all of that. Guessing another grand. If I remember the comparable machines also have less welding thickness capability.
If Bob Moffett likes this everlast I’m sure it will be great for me.
Such a hard purchase to decide on


Sent from my iPhone using The Garage Journal mobile app
 

lis2323

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 25, 2016
Messages
3,234
Who is Bob Moffett? And why are you devaluing your own expectations ?
 

lis2323

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 25, 2016
Messages
3,234
I just don’t think that you should assume that because a product is good enough for one person it will be necessarily good enough for you. Don’t underestimate yourself. You’ve displayed plenty of intelligence and thought throughout this thread. JMO.
 
OP
K

Kaizen

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 9, 2015
Messages
6,938
Location
New England
I just don’t think that you should assume that because a product is good enough for one person it will be necessarily good enough for you. Don’t underestimate yourself. You’ve displayed plenty of intelligence and thought throughout this thread. JMO.



Gotcha. This will be my first tig machine as well as my first 220 machine. I also believe there is a reason why pro’s have blue on their trucks. In other words I believe this everlast will do everything I will ask of it but I also am realistic about expectations compared to a five k Miller.
I buy high end for some things but not for a welder at this point


Sent from my iPhone using The Garage Journal mobile app
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Aaron_W

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 6, 2018
Messages
2,890
Location
Northern California
I spent way too long looking at all the other names. The only thing that Miller has that would be nice is the two gas inlets. But the 3k Miller still lacks the tig equipment, high frequency start, and availability for a cooler. Not sure what I’d have to spend to get all of that. Guessing another grand. If I remember the comparable machines also have less welding thickness capability.
If Bob Moffett likes this everlast I’m sure it will be great for me.
Such a hard purchase to decide on


Sent from my iPhone using The Garage Journal mobile app


That is incorrect, I have a Miller 220 it is HF start, and the $2999 price includes everything you need to TIG except for the tanks and rod. The Miller and Everlast 251 both use an air cooled torch so a water cooled torch would be an add on in either case and since I haven't looked into that I don't know if that is an option for either machine.

The Everlast does have an advantage in power 250A vs 210A, the Miller can TIG weld aluminum, magnesium etc. The Miller also adds several ease of use features, like instantaneous switching between MIG and TIG / Stick, and changing polarity with the turn of a knob.


You do get a lot for your money with the Everlast machines (and several others), and I've seen a number of good reviews on them.

The company has been around for about 15 years, so the concern many raise of will they be there in 10 years if the machine breaks, is kind of blunted. They are not some fly by night that just opened their doors last week. Sears has been around 128 years and who knows if they will be with us in 5 years.


Anyway my post wasn't to discourage you away from the Everlast machine, just make sure you were looking at all options. You do pay more for the name brands, but not as much as some claim (certainly not 3x the price), and you are not just paying for the name, they often do provide some benefit for the added cost.
 
OP
K

Kaizen

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 9, 2015
Messages
6,938
Location
New England
That is incorrect, I have a Miller 220 it is HF start, and the $2999 price includes everything you need to TIG except for the tanks and rod. The Miller and Everlast 251 both use an air cooled torch so a water cooled torch would be an add on in either case and since I haven't looked into that I don't know if that is an option for either machine.



The Everlast does have an advantage in power 250A vs 210A, the Miller can TIG weld aluminum, magnesium etc. The Miller also adds several ease of use features, like instantaneous switching between MIG and TIG / Stick, and changing polarity with the turn of a knob.





You do get a lot for your money with the Everlast machines (and several others), and I've seen a number of good reviews on them.



The company has been around for about 15 years, so the concern many raise of will they be there in 10 years if the machine breaks, is kind of blunted. They are not some fly by night that just opened their doors last week. Sears has been around 128 years and who knows if they will be with us in 5 years.





Anyway my post wasn't to discourage you away from the Everlast machine, just make sure you were looking at all options. You do pay more for the name brands, but not as much as some claim (certainly not 3x the price), and you are not just paying for the name, they often do provide some benefit for the added cost.



Thanks that was not the info I was seeing.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

sberry

Banned
Joined
Jun 18, 2005
Messages
35,747
Location
Brethren, Michigan
Getting something so cheap to run sticks is an interest to me. Would make it so much less gut wrenching for a lot of people to get a tool they got some use for. If they are working in the trade they are likely good enough for homebodys.
I shot the **** with a guy at the lws, they had a machine a local shop is using, said they are busy and bought 2 of these mig sticks at 400 a piece. Beats 4 grand to do some fitup and small work.
 

Attachments

  • 20191225_184418.jpg
    20191225_184418.jpg
    102.9 KB · Views: 61
Last edited:

BukitCase

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 11, 2017
Messages
1,075
Location
Oregon

sberry

Banned
Joined
Jun 18, 2005
Messages
35,747
Location
Brethren, Michigan
The Prostar was at a LWS. The guy told me they were just waking up to the fact that the hobby was outgrowing the industrial side,,, duh.
 

lis2323

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 25, 2016
Messages
3,234
A friend of mine bought a Prostar 210 class mig with spool gun from Praxair for his sign business. He couldn’t get it to work and the sales guys couldn’t either so they gave him his money back.

He bought a Miller instead.
 
OP
K

Kaizen

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 9, 2015
Messages
6,938
Location
New England
It should be showing up this week so I will give it a run and report back


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

R-mm

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 24, 2013
Messages
420
Hi all - I'm in the same boat as the OP - Restored a car with the exact same Eastwood 135 and would like to step up my game: get back to TIG which I haven't done since college and get better control for thin material / out of position welds.

I like the looks of the Everlast 251Si. Would like to hear OP's opinion if he's used on more auto body type work?

Also curious to know the typical solution for gas with multiprocess welders. I am guessing it is inevitable you need a Co2/AR bottle for MIG and an AR bottle for TIG?
 

sberry

Banned
Joined
Jun 18, 2005
Messages
35,747
Location
Brethren, Michigan
Even our best weldors had to go down to 3/32" rods if only 110v was available to the Millers.

I was wondering how they did on the power. I have a Max but the others were just starting then, this was the first of the dvi and the S version was about 800 at the time.
Its neat to know, if I was doing it again these would be on my short list and the price makes is almost effortless. For giggles I tried a 100S Forney several years ago and it wouldnt work well with anything but 3/32 6011. A useable machine at under 300 could certainly pay for itself real easy.
 

seber

Well-known member
Joined
May 31, 2016
Messages
4,190
Location
Deep East Tx.
Where is it made. I checked the website and found not a clue other than being "international". That would make me a bit worried about parts down the road.
 
OP
K

Kaizen

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 9, 2015
Messages
6,938
Location
New England
Hi all - I'm in the same boat as the OP - Restored a car with the exact same Eastwood 135 and would like to step up my game: get back to TIG which I haven't done since college and get better control for thin material / out of position welds.

I like the looks of the Everlast 251Si. Would like to hear OP's opinion if he's used on more auto body type work?

Also curious to know the typical solution for gas with multiprocess welders. I am guessing it is inevitable you need a Co2/AR bottle for MIG and an AR bottle for TIG?


Yea need two bottles. With my machine there is only one gas inlet so eventually need to get some setup where I don’t have to keep switching.
I played with the tig when I first got it and totally sucked at it. Found it very tough to get right. Also have not reported back in the machine as I really don’t know it yet. Instructions still need some reading time and as I was mig self taught the launguage of stuff is confusing me. Bottom line I need more dedicated play time.
Even the mig has several types with several settings in each so I just used the basic one so far. Works great on thicker stuff but a lot tougher to get good spot welds one thin sheet. I tend to adjust a panel gap with one hand and weld with the other so tig won’t work well for me doing that.
The machine is a beast. Big and heavy. Built a custom cart for two bottles and welder. It’s like pushing around a small car lol. I’m no pro but it seems well made and all components are as described. Only two gripes is no chart on door and one gas inlet.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
OP
K

Kaizen

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 9, 2015
Messages
6,938
Location
New England
Where is it made. I checked the website and found not a clue other than being "international". That would make me a bit worried about parts down the road.


Good amount of places are using these for production stuff. Course not like big blue but honestly when I was in getting my last bottle some guy was bitching he was waiting three months to get some panel for his miller. Who knows. My Chinese made Eastwood rocked the whole ten years I had it. Just cleaned it up and gave it to a needy high school welding student. I beat that thing bad and it just kept coming back for more. Seriously 1/8 inch was my norm and it did 1/4 with some effort on flux core. It one part ever needed replacing.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

carmantl

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 19, 2015
Messages
237
The Everlast 160 isn't available at home despot anymore but the 140 is $349. Maxstar WITHOUT tig is 900. So yeah 1/3 the price.
 

carmantl

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 19, 2015
Messages
237
AND 5 yr warranty vs 3 yr with Miller. And did you see where we were quoted $1000 to replace the motherboard in the $900 machine?
 

charlestmann

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 16, 2013
Messages
60
Location
Atlanta, GA
I was wondering how they did on the power. I have a Max but the others were just starting then, this was the first of the dvi and the S version was about 800 at the time.
Its neat to know, if I was doing it again these would be on my short list and the price makes is almost effortless. For giggles I tried a 100S Forney several years ago and it wouldnt work well with anything but 3/32 6011. A useable machine at under 300 could certainly pay for itself real easy.

For additional reference I just got the Everlast 161 10 days ago. I have only run it on 120 volts but have tried 3/32" 6011, 7014, 7018 with no problem. I tried 1/8" 6011 with not much luck. The 1/8" 7018 wouldn't run. This machine limits you to 90 AMPS on 120 volt. I'll give the 240 volt a try on my next project but I don't anticipate any issues. Very fun little stick machine to use.
 

sberry

Banned
Joined
Jun 18, 2005
Messages
35,747
Location
Brethren, Michigan
The Max runs 1/8 6011and 3/32 lo hy nice and toasty on 120V. On long circuit, north of 150 ft on 120v it trips a breaker over about 70x75A.

.
 

Dibaltic

Member
Joined
Aug 15, 2020
Messages
5
Location
PA
That's the exact welder I have I love it, but wish I had gotten the 221si for the AC/DC capabilities since I have never come closer to max settings on the 251si. But never had an issue. I got smaller drive wheels for 0.23 and 0.3 wire on ebay for a fraction of the price from everlast. Just searched the measurements I got from a digital micrometer.
 

R-mm

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 24, 2013
Messages
420
Unless I'm reading this wrong the 211si is DC only. I've been using the 251si, up to 200amp as TIG and like it a lot. One thing to note: the "Nova torch upgrade" comes with LARGE torches both MIG and TIG. This isn't a good or bad thing, I'm just noting it.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom