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I suppose "Leadscrew" is appropriate for those who have never used a leadscrew to cut the lead into a screw blank, or, who have never really thought about it much.

I like clamp screw, and I see that Wilton calls it a spindle. Pressure screw might work as it applies consistent pressure.
Feedscrew doesn't apply unless one is feeding continuous movement, as in facing on the lathe or feeding a workpiece to a milling cutter.

If one thinks about the actual meaning of the words the etymology can be discovered.

Since the title of this thread is "Everything you need to know about bench vises" the correct nomenclature might seem important.

Yost just calls theirs the "Screw", Reed, a "screw" Interestingly, Sears calls the long slide portion of a conventional bench vise the "Engine" (????).

Autospeed, an importing company, also calls it the spindle on their imported Asian vises.

My very limited research shows about equal use by vise manufacturers of both "spindle" and "screw". Since most vises have several screws in them I don't like that one, and a "Spindle" is even less descriptive than "Screw", since in many machines a spindle turns constantly during use while what I call a clamp screw in a vise only turns when it is being brought into working condition, then stops turning.
The spindle in a drill press typically has no threads at all, and that is the most common type use of the term from my experience.
In the end the manufacturer can call it whatever they want to, but it seems to me that a standard term should exist out there someplace, but it sure doesn't seem like leadscrew fits to me.
 
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I pickup a 973 chas parker vise and it was missing the swivel base. I saw a 973A base on ebay and was wonding if it would fit
 

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I suppose "Leadscrew" is appropriate for those who have never used a leadscrew to cut the lead into a screw blank, or, who have never really thought about it much.

It's also fine for those who are quite familiar with leadscrews in their usual context, and also for those who have thought about the various terminology choices for a vices main slide screw. Your assumption that those who use the terminology are not familiar with lathes etc. is pure folly.

End of the day, it's a moot point. You can call it what you please, as the rest of us do.
 
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I pickup a 973 chas parker vise and it was missing the swivel base. I saw a 973A base on ebay and was wonding if it would fit

Ask the seller for the dimension of the top ring where your vise will sit. I think I seen your base you are talking about, it might be missing the brake set up along with the locking block. But I did not look to close. I am cleaning up a 974 base and repairing one of the brake shoes but you can see what else fits in the swivel base for Parkers. Not shown is a shoulder bolt and the swivel bolt that holds a wrench. Good luck.
 

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It's also fine for those who are quite familiar with leadscrews in their usual context, and also for those who have thought about the various terminology choices for a vices main slide screw. Your assumption that those who use the terminology are not familiar with lathes etc. is pure folly.
Hm, well, You're wrong, and nothing anyone says can make a clamp screw a lead screw unless words don't have meaning anymore.
 

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Hm, well, You're wrong, and nothing anyone says can make a clamp screw a lead screw unless words don't have meaning anymore.

In your opinion. Feel free to enthuse one with your explanation as to why.

Plus, it isn't a clamp screw, not by any stretch of the imagination. The screw in a G clamp, for example, is a clamp screw. Completely different things. One acts directly upon the piece being clamped, the other does not, hence one is a clamp(ing) screw and one is not.
 

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Hm, well, You're wrong, and nothing anyone says can make a clamp screw a lead screw unless words don't have meaning anymore.

Well I guess it's decided. Partsproduction doesn't like the term "lead screw" for the main screw of a vise, and has righteously determined that "clamp screw" is etymologically correct; therefore, we must start using that term, and that term only, from this point forward.

I personally prefer the term "dynamic jaw motion and force inducer."
 
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So I was walking my dog in the woods near my house the other day and saw a object just sticking above the ground. It turned out to be a Reed 104. It is a fixed base with 3 holes and says "Patent Pending". All the others I have found similar to this vise have multiple patent numbers on them, leading me to believe it is older than those. I have done some research and I am unable to find out much information especially on one without a patent date.
Anyone have any idea on the approximate age? I was able to free the vise and plan on restoring it and giving it a new lease on life. Not in mint condition but still has a lot of life.
 

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So I was walking my dog in the woods near my house the other day and saw a object just sticking above the ground. It turned out to be a Reed 104. It is a fixed base with 3 holes and says "Patent Pending". All the others I have found similar to this vise have multiple patent numbers on them, leading me to believe it is older than those. I have done some research and I am unable to find out much information especially on one without a patent date.

Anyone have any idea on the approximate age? I was able to free the vise and plan on restoring it and giving it a new lease on life. Not in mint condition but still has a lot of life.


You found a vise in the woods? You really ****! Do you have pictures?
 

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So I was walking my dog in the woods near my house the other day and saw a object just sticking above the ground. It turned out to be a Reed 104. It is a fixed base with 3 holes and says "Patent Pending". All the others I have found similar to this vise have multiple patent numbers on them, leading me to believe it is older than those. I have done some research and I am unable to find out much information especially on one without a patent date.
Anyone have any idea on the approximate age? I was able to free the vise and plan on restoring it and giving it a new lease on life. Not in mint condition but still has a lot of life.

You found a vise in the woods? You really ****! Do you have pictures?
nice Job, Lucky You...............
Post pictures,
 

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Jumpin: so you found an old Reed vise laying in the dirt. very nice find especially if it has all its parts. to give you an idea of the age can you take and post a few pictures? i use the paperclip just above where you write your posts to attach them like an email or you can use a Photobucket or other online picture hosting account to put a link in your posts.

welcome to the group and most likely your vise is from before WWII, but will depend on the styling.

also you can post pictures of your Reed find here on the main vise thread and here's a link

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44782

here's a picture of my Reed 104 and this version is from the 30's or 20's and not sure exactly because Reed didn't date stamp their vises like other companies did and do. if your handle is round like mine it's pre WWII and if it's flat on the end it's a little newer.
 

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So I was walking my dog in the woods near my house the other day and saw a object just sticking above the ground. It turned out to be a Reed 104. It is a fixed base with 3 holes and says "Patent Pending". All the others I have found similar to this vise have multiple patent numbers on them, leading me to believe it is older than those. I have done some research and I am unable to find out much information especially on one without a patent date.
Anyone have any idea on the approximate age? I was able to free the vise and plan on restoring it and giving it a new lease on life. Not in mint condition but still has a lot of life.

Just out walkin' his dog, and a vise jumped out of the ground and bit him... :lol_hitti


Yeah, you ****... :beer:

But... Pics or it didn't happen! :see:

:evil:
 

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New to the forum and could use some help. Selling a big vice for a departed friend (or I might buy it) and was hoping you folks could identify it and maybe tell me what it's worth. The only lettering I could find is the No. 8 1/2 on the right side. Any help would be great.
Thanks, Randy
 

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Randy,

Its a 4-1/2" vise, (got me going with the No. 8-1/2...) and as mentioned, its been broken and welded. At that point brand is sort of a moot point; it's been compromised structurally and financially. Without the break it would have been worth quite a bit more than with the break... Very hard to value one that has been broken. (Hard enough when they aren't)
 

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Randy: welcome to the forum and like Outlaw mentioned with the big weld or braze on the dynamic jaw it hurts any value it had by quite a bit. my guess is that it's a Morgan made vise and it also might be missing the pipe jaws.

since it's probably still usable i'd probably pay $25 ish for it if i needed a vise or it's probably worth that for the parts.
 

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Thanks for the info. Yeah I kinda figured the repair would devalue it. I looked through a lot of pictures and spent some time reading here on the forum, and wondered if it wasn't a Parker copy or knockoff. The lines seem to match up. But like you guys said, the break makes it not matter much. Thanks again, I learned a lot from your posts throughout the site.
 

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Putting the value aside. It will still serve as a working vise as long as you don't abuse it or stress the jaws by cranking on the handle (more abuse that likely led to the break). It would get you by until you come across an unbroken vise.
 

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Yeah, I think someone recently went metal detecting in the county nature preserve by me because around the vise I found some small holes and old scrap metal dug out of the ground. The vise was caked in clay and had been there for quite some time. I knew I got lucky and thats why I spend the 20 minutes or so digging it out and then lugged it a mile out of the woods. Not fun on a 92 degree humid New Jersey day. The one picture in the driveway is before any work and the others are from a little work. It freed up relatively easy and I plan on giving it a second lease on life by using it for my home workshop. I is by no means perfect but I like the wear, tells a good story.

Pics are below and its hard to see but the forge stamp is 392
 

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Jumpin: how does it screw in and out now? if it's working you could almost say you found $100 bill laying on the ground and maybe better if you can use this Reed 104. other than maybe needing a new handle somewhere down the road it looks like its in pretty decent shape.

nice fine and hard to say the age so i'll give you a range from 1915-1938
 

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Works great! I soaked it in PB Blaster over night and screwed it in and out over two dozen times and now its as free as it was when it came from the factory. I must say, it was difficult at first, but once I got a few good turns fully in and out it really freed up.
 

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Hey guys. I just picked up a Parker no. 87 at a local estate sale for a cool $15. Figured I'd post up a few pics for clicks.

http://s719.photobucket.com/user/TMcNasty/library/Vise

She still turns with one finger and all of the mounting ears are there. I notice the rear pipe jaw is held into the static jaw with kind of a bolt with a 90 degree handle at the end. Doesn't look original to me. The dynamic pipe jaw is not installed. I also found kind of a double-ended pipe jaw. Not real sure how that works. The insert in the dynamic jaw is also loose. If someone could tell me how to secure that I'd appreciate it.
 

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Yeah I resisted the urge on day 1 when it was marked $35. Went back day two and it was still there.
 

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Hello guys,

I am looking to buy a good all around precise bench vice and would like to have your advice.

I looking at many options but I have found that Gedore vices are fron FZA-morsificio (com) but I may be wrong. They are adjustable as well as Dolex.

My question is if there is any difffrence other than pipe handling between Dolex series 50 vs 80.

Finally should I go for Dolex or Gedore/ FZA or any other adjustable?

Thanks

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Thank you for this thread, very informative and helpful. I have a question for you regarding the nut for the lead screw. I have bypassed vises at garage sales and auction sales because the nut was broken or in some cases missing. I have seen nuts that were broken, had been re-welded and broken again, usually they are split probably from excessive force with a hammer or cheater pipe. My question is this, do you know of a source that sells nuts with this type of thread? I have only ever heard it called 'rapid' thread.I have seen this same thread on old style screw jacks and modern weight lifting equipment. If I could get a nut, it is within my capabilities to make a base for it that would fit the vise but it is beyond my capabilities to make the nut itself.

I have never seen a broken or damaged lead screw, although I'm sure it does happen, only broken nuts and unfortunately many of the companies that made these vises are no longer in business, so new replacement parts are not available.
I would appreciate it if you could let me know the proper terminology for these parts and the thread of the screw and nut as well. Thank you for your time.
 

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Thank you for this thread, very informative and helpful. I have a question for you regarding the nut for the lead screw. I have bypassed vises at garage sales and auction sales because the nut was broken or in some cases missing. I have seen nuts that were broken, had been re-welded and broken again, usually they are split probably from excessive force with a hammer or cheater pipe. My question is this, do you know of a source that sells nuts with this type of thread? I have only ever heard it called 'rapid' thread.I have seen this same thread on old style screw jacks and modern weight lifting equipment. If I could get a nut, it is within my capabilities to make a base for it that would fit the vise but it is beyond my capabilities to make the nut itself.



I have never seen a broken or damaged lead screw, although I'm sure it does happen, only broken nuts and unfortunately many of the companies that made these vises are no longer in business, so new replacement parts are not available.

I would appreciate it if you could let me know the proper terminology for these parts and the thread of the screw and nut as well. Thank you for your time.


The main nut can actually be machined by a machine shop. Usually they are acme threads. Some vises have a finer buttress thread. I've seen acme threaded rods for sale at fastenal. I don't know what stores you have up there in Canada. I never looked for nut in assuming they sell acme threaded nuts too. I call it the main screw and the main nut.

Many vises have interchangeable parts as well. I often see them pop up on eBay. Most recently, I had a main nut which was broken and brazed. The repair was strong but I wanted a clean main nut. I actually found a same model broken vise with a good nut and it was worth me buying that vise.

Do you have a vise with a nut that needs replacing or are you thinking about what to do if you find a broken one?
 

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Thank you for the reply, bagged89s10. It is very helpful. I do realize that he nut can be machined in a machine shop, I am sure many members of GJ have the equipment and expertise to do it. To be realistic though, I doubt that it would be affordable, at least for me. Now that I know what to call the thread, I will see what is available in our tool supply stores. I actually had a vise with a broken nut, had been welded and rebroken. I didn't want to repair it again so I put it aside until I found a thread and nut from another vise that although not exactly the same was close enough to work. The whole thing got me thinking about the broken vise's I have seen for sale that sell for pittance, with the only repair needed being the main nut. Here in Canada, Record vise's are very common. Good quality U.S. made, not nearly as much. Thank's again for the input.
 

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Thanks everyone, I learned alot about vises here today. Great work!!:beer:
 

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Wow!! That was a lot more than I was expecting to read. Thank you so much for all of the information! I have been sort of looking for a second hand vice and this information will help me a lot. Thanks!

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Anybody recognize the maker of this vise? There is a stylized "C" and the number "5"?
 

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Boss: vise isn't high quality and is probably only worth $25, but if you could get the stand or what it's sitting on it might be worth buying until you find a better vise.
 

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Drivesitfar. The price was free. This was in my fathers business covered in dust. He has no idea where it came from, nor that he even had it. I just bought a Harbor Freight truck hitch mount for $20 for it to sit on. I have very limited garage space, but for times when I need a vise, this will suffice.
 
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