Expensive air hammer/chisel.

[Ess10]

I do a lot of body and frame work. Friend of mine let me use his CP 714. Compared to cheaper hammers it is like the difference between hitting something with a 16 ounce carpenter hammer and a five pound sledge hammer. I heard that the 717 was even better but I was unable to find any information about it. I finally bought the 717 air hammer. It is well worth the money. There are some jobs the cheaper hammers just won't do. Cutting most frame rivets, rusted nuts and bolts is usually one short pull of the trigger on the 717.

PS: The other big hammer brands are probably just as good. My experience is with CP.

 

[BlksnshN]

I've got the Snap on 3050 and absolutely love it. After using a few cheaper units the price was justified.

 

[rlitman]

The Snap On 3050 is not in the same league as a CP717. The CP717 hits so hard that it uses the next size up chisel (.498" vs .401"). So chisels for a CP717 are more money than standard sized chisels, but it really packs a wallop.

What I like most about my CP717 however is not just the power, but the total controllability. My Snap On was either on or off on the trigger. With the CP717, you can start off as light as a tink-tink-tink, and pull all the way for something that only Superman can hold onto.

If you're looking for something similar to a CP717, but in a different brand, don't look at automotive air chisels. Search for a "9x rivet gun". That's what it really is.

 

[BlksnshN]

The Snap On 3050 is not in the same league as a CP717. The CP717 hits so hard that it uses the next size up chisel (.498" vs .401"). So chisels for a CP717 are more money than standard sized chisels, but it really packs a wallop.

What I like most about my CP717 however is not just the power, but the total controllability. My Snap On was either on or off on the trigger. With the CP717, you can start off as light as a tink-tink-tink, and pull all the way for something that only Superman can hold onto.

If you're looking for something similar to a CP717, but in a different brand, don't look at automotive air chisels. Search for a "9x rivet gun". That's what it really is.

I've never tried the CP, sounds awesome.

My Snap On has a variable trigger

 

[rlitman]

My Snap On has a variable trigger

Yes, all air tools have a variable trigger. But the control on the Snap On trigger leaves a lot to be desired.

I guess you need to handle both side by side to understand why a rivet gun is a totally different beast than an air hammer, even though they have almost identical designs.

 

[Mohawk Dave]

I agree OP. I have an IR 132, .401, but definitely in a class of their own. I bought a "normal" IR for jobs that are lighter duty b/c the 132 is too much sometimes (not complaining)

 

[theoldwizard1]

I've never tried the CP, sounds awesome.

The CP717 is awesome !

The only down side is, it uses oversized bits. 0.498 instead of 0.401.

 

[22george]

Cleco and jiffy/apt rivet gun/air hammers have great trigger control also.
They can be bought used at theyardstore.com

 

[ScottsGT]

Sounds like a monster air hammer! I have a 25-28 year old Snap On that's like new. It's the biggest one they made at the time, and it's way more than I ever needed for bodywork. But man, it is nice to have the extra throttle when needed. I can't imagine your new toys power since you said they are stronger.

 

[wafrederick]

I have the Matco MT2816 and it is powerful.It does break bits and I have broken one so far.Luckily the bit I broke was replaced under warranty,Matco puts a lifetime warranty on their air hammer bits.I use it a lot taking out wheelbearing assemblies that are bad.Used it on a few rounded out torx headed bolts also.

 

[Vaboom123]

I have a CP717 and it's a beast! Makes life much easier pounding out king pins and other heavy suspension jobs. I found out about it when I worked for a fleet operation. They had a shop one. I was just amazed by the power. It would shear off any mono rivets without trying. After I left I needed one for myself!

 

[vssjim]

Cp717 is the best air hammer made period and Cp714 is the second best air hammer.

 

[oldtools]

I bought a used CP4444 aero riveter for $8. Retail is the same as CP717, but I am not sure how it compare to the CP717 as I don't have one. Its shank is only a .401 though.

 

[theknurl]

CP tools;
the CP-717 is a 3/4" bore 2.69" stroke hammer

can't find my old CP catalog.....but they had a rivet gun "the standard of the Industry for 90 years" 30 years ago.....

11" stroke 1/2" hose, don't know the bore.....riveted every thing in this country for over a century

here's a rivet buster;
http://www.ohiopowertool.com/p-210-...buster-11-open-handle-cp4611p-8900000150.aspx

look at the air consumption......it makes horsepower

my open handle 0.498 shank, 3/4"x 6" barely works on a 1/4" hose.....but damn, does it hit

 

[arms1970]

I put a inline regulator to control mine, anyone do that?

 

[Farmall450]

I've never tried the CP, sounds awesome.

My Snap On has a variable trigger

Their older impacts are tuff.

 

[Ess10]

If you lubricate your hammer by putting oil into the inlet be careful. As soon as I got the gun I oiled it. When I tried it I couldn't even cut a nail in half. I thought the gun was defective. Then I realized I put so much oil in it that the piston couldn't function.

 

[Mazdaspeed]

I'm quite happy with my IR118Max...it is hilarious to use, just cuts through things like a hot knife through butter. Either way, a high end professional air hammer is very different from the little rattle/noise maker consumer versions.

 

[Murphy4570]

I have the Snap on PH3050A myself. Bad *** impact, strongest one I've yet come across. Puts IR stuff to shame. Only Snap-On air tool that I think is better than IR stuff.

I've no experience with CP stuff myself. They aren't sold on the tool trucks.

 

[Super Mech]

I have a SO PH3050A and I am really not impressed with it. I bought it new a couple of years ago to replace an old MAC that konked out on me. The MAC was at least twice as powerful as the SO. Someone here was comparing the PH3050A to the CP717, if they are the same then it can't be all that powerful.

 

[99blaze]

I got a silver eagle ( Matco) one. I forgot the model but its a beast

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[Mohawk Dave]

I bought a used CP4444 aero riveter for $8. Retail is the same as CP717, but I am not sure how it compare to the CP717 as I don't have one. Its shank is only a .401 though.

I got a CP4444 last month as well. Forgot I picked it up. Couple bucks at an estate sale as well. Just cleaned it up and I must say, what a nice linear trigger. From tappy tappy all the way to Iron Mike.

Does anyone know if the IR Quick Release will hold up to these big dogs? It fits...but I don't know if it will just blow it apart? (The gun will shoot a bit all the way out deforming a spring if you're not up against a work piece.)

 

[FunkyfullWidth]

I have the blue point at2050 at home, and use a SO 3050 at work... Apples to oranges with those... The blue point i've hardly used and hits like an old, tired mule. The SO hammer is miles ahead of that... I can only imagine a strong one....