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This is the damage after tightening down one bolt.

The whole inside of the socket is gouged up and I have a nicely blackened finger nail from when it slipped towards the end.









 
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isn't that EXPERT stuff sold by MAC tools? that's pretty shameful. i've seen better performance from HF stuff.
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that's mac's new cheapo line. like the edge wasn't crappy enough they gotta add this junk. My mac guy won't even sell this stuff because its a disgrace to the mac name. Mac has a bad enough name already like they need to make it worse. :lol_hitti Personaly for what this expert stuff costs you can go to sears and buy craftsman and it will out perform this stuff even the new Chinese craftsman will run circles around this ****. :willy_nil
 
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It will be interesting to see the result of returning it to the Mac truck.
 
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Iv seen it, looked like ****.my mac guy doesn't push it and I have no desire to buy that stuff. It. Looks like the stanley stuff at walmart. It is in the new mac catalog along with dewalt. Man mac has really went to the ******* along with everything else.
 
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I presume that for the price, they are going to cut some slack on the quality control at the various manufacturing stages. That's how they can lower the final cost of the product. ....not saying that the Expert stuff is really cheap though.
 
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scaron said:
isn't that EXPERT stuff sold by MAC tools? that's pretty shameful. i've seen better performance from HF stuff.
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Its not specifically linked to MAC, its just another Stanley brand. Im actually not even sure why they thought they needed another hand tool brand.

Not that im accusing the OP of this but if you use a socket on an undersized fastener you can do the exact same thing. Doesn't matter what the brand is. Im still not quite sure how the entire thing slipped with only damage at the very end without the socket cracking. I suspect there is more to it.

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I presume that for the price, they are going to cut some slack on the quality control at the various manufacturing stages. That's how they can lower the final cost of the product. ....not saying that the Expert stuff is really cheap though.
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I cant imagine its any cheaper than the Stanley house brand tools which are actually fairly good, especially for the money.
 
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Skin said:
Not that im accusing the OP of this but if you use a socket on an undersized fastener you can do the exact same thing. Doesn't matter what the brand is. Im still not quite sure how the entire thing slipped with only damage at the very end without the socket cracking. I suspect there is more to it.
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It was not undersized.

I was tightening it down at an angle due to restricted access i.e. the socket was not perfectly square to the bolt which is why it has gouged deeper on one side more than the other.

Not ideal, but needs must.

The socket is soft, plain and simple. The torque was not particularly high when it slipped. There was no damage to the bolt head.

I then finished tightening the bolt down with a 'decent' socket.

The Expert socket set lives in my car and was the closest to hand at the time.
 
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off angle or undersized, you can gouge any brand socket if the fastener isn't seated correctly. Just saying.
 
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The 'Expert'-logo is exactly the same as Draper (UK) uses/used for their Expert-line of tools.

Does anyone know if they are connected?
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Most likely.

But any who. Ive completely annihilated bolts with my snapon and mac sockets and never even slightly damaged the socket. That socket is just soft. Probably not hardened properly or just crappy metal.
 
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Skin said:
off angle or undersized, you can gouge any brand socket if the fastener isn't seated correctly. Just saying.
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Off angle, risks damage to the fastener head and generally rounds the corners of the bolt somewhat. The socket should be harder than the fastener.

There is no way should this EXPERT socket should be damaged in this way.


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The 'Expert'-logo is exactly the same as Draper (UK) uses/used for their Expert-line of tools.

Does anyone know if they are connected?
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As far as I know, no.

I think Draper is still family owned. They basically only source tools.

Draper Expert is their better / more expensive range.
 
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Outline said:
The 'Expert'-logo is exactly the same as Draper (UK) uses/used for their Expert-line of tools.

Does anyone know if they are connected?
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Stanley isn't the only company to use "Expert" as a brand or line of tools. I would think the word "Expert" would be considered to generic to trademark for a tool brand, but Stanley is now part of Dewalt, and Dewalt managed to successfully defend their yellow and black tool color scheme as a trademark in court. There is a company called Frejoth International Ltd. that is located in Taiwan. The company supplies multiple lines of tools, both power and hand tools. I don't think they're an actually manufacturer, but they may supply re-branded tools for other companies. One of the tool lines they supply is labelled "EXPERT." I don't know if there is any connection with Stanley though. This is their catalog of hand tools.

http://www.acra.com.tw/english/downloads/handtools/index.html
 
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N.I. said:
This is the damage after tightening down one bolt.

The whole inside of the socket is gouged up and I have a nicely blackened finger nail from when it slipped towards the end.
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Bummer. I'm glad I got rid of my Britool Expert stuff when I did.
 
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Stanley-Black&Decker seems to be pushing this Expert line as their "globally local" brand. Many tool companies they've bought out seem to have undergone the Expert treatment.

Outline said:
The 'Expert'-logo is exactly the same as Draper (UK) uses/used for their Expert-line of tools.

Does anyone know if they are connected?
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As N.I. said they're just rebranding things bought in from others, I've seen spanners packaged as Draper Expert whereas the spanners themselves were KS Tools branded.
 
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Van Steele said:
Stanley-Black&Decker seems to be pushing this Expert line as their "globally local" brand. Many tool companies they've bought out seem to have undergone the Expert treatment.



As N.I. said they're just rebranding things bought in from others, I've seen spanners packaged as Draper Expert whereas the spanners themselves were KS Tools branded.
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Draper is selling some high-end stuff under their name as well; Knipex and Elora come to mind.
 
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Draper Expert is different from Expert that belongs to Stanley-Black&decker group.
Expert of Stanley-Black&decker is company with low cost tools (mostly for automotive repair) from Taiwan, China etc and the goal is to supply all the brands that is under the umbrella of group. For now Facom and Usag have different treatment. But Pastorino no, Pastorino has the range of Expert tools.

Draper has given the name Expert to the tools that is medium quality to distinguish from it's low range tools.
On the other hand the premium quality tools from Draper have their own original names like Knipex, Elora, Shroder, Honda etc
 
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(smartass mode on).....simply buy from a reliable brand with a history and where you know who actually makes the product and where.... (smartass mode off)
 
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CanUK said:
Draper is selling some high-end stuff under their name as well; Knipex and Elora come to mind.
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Oh yeah, they definitely do. Their older made in Japan socketry is top notch and looks suspiciously like it's Ko-ken made. You've just got to sift through their catalogue a bit to find some pretty god deals.
They've also had a "Expert Quality" logo on their packaging long before Stanley-B&D came up with their Expert branding. Maybe they've got some sort of deal with Stanley-B&D?
It's just that the new Expert stuff seems pony 'n' trap.
 
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Kent_B said:
It will be interesting to see the result of returning it to the Mac truck.
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If its anything like my truck nothing interesting would happen...he'd say "WTF Happened there" and promptly swap it out with a smile. I know a lot of Expert tools flew off my MAC truck. Back when I was looking for a 3/4" Rat, my MAC guy hooked me up with a 3/4" Drive Expert Rat...nice rat for the money, you wont catch me crying or bitching about the Expert line.
 
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