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I just bought this Conntek 10/3 extension cord:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EVQL896/?tag=atomicindus08-20

It showed up with this large sign on it:



I understand that lead is sometimes used to make the jacket more flexible (and cheaper), but having already had lead poisoning once, I'd much prefer to avoid it. Does anyone know of a cord that does not have lead in the jacket? It seems to be difficult to track this information down before buying.

I'm looking for 25' of 8/3 or 10/3 with Nema 5-15 (i.e. household) plugs. USA COO would be great, too.


UPDATE***: I just spoke to techs at US Wire and also at Direct Wire (two USA-made cord companies). Both state that all cords they make are ROHS compliant, which means they pass the EU lead-free standard.
 
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By some American Made SO Cord & make your own . . .

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That's what I've done in the past, but someone recently pointed out that I can buy pre-made extension cords for the same or less than I can buy SO cord stock (not to mention a plug and a connector).

Has anyone tried Direct Wire & Cable products before? I just found them, and they offer 10/3 and 8/3 with Nema 5-15p plugs in 25' lengths, all with USA COO:

http://www.directwireusa.com/

** edit -- the 8/3 cords are Nema 6-50p
 
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Woods cords have always served me well. No idea if they meet your needs though
 

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You have to ingest the lead in order for it to be harmful. It is probably just a trace amount. I cast my own lead boolits, along with many other people, and load my own ammo. We have much more contact with lead. Many have their lead levels tested and do just fine. Unless you plan to chew on the cord, it should be OK. What else is all over the tools or work you will be dealing with when using that cord? There are many other contaminates that you may not think about as well, but some common sense will keep you safe.

How did you get lead poisoning? Are you more sensitive to it now, than the average person?

8/3 should be good for 40 amps and 10/3 should do 30 amps. It can be a bit tough to find 10/3 cords with 15 amp plugs. 12/3 and smaller is most common. The heavier cord only has advantages in some cases. The plug is the bottleneck for the amount of amperage on a cord. 30 amps on a 10/3 cord with a 15 or 20 amp plug is a no go. Just ask my RV cords/adapters. They need the larger prongs to match the cord size, when the AC is used.

My last cords were yellowjacket from Lowes. They were great quality, but I don't remember if they were USA made or lead free. It has been quite a while. I did buy a 10/3 with the 15 amp ends. I did buy one since, but it was at homedepot and it was a 12/3 with 15 amp ends, 25' long. It was $40 and was orange/red with a black stripe. I think the end lights up. It seems well made.
 
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You have to ingest the lead in order for it to be harmful. It is probably just a trace amount. I cast my own lead boolits, along with many other people, and load my own ammo. We have much more contact with lead. Many have their lead levels tested and do just fine. Unless you plan to chew on the cord, it should be OK. What else is all over the tools or work you will be dealing with when using that cord? There are many other contaminates that you may not think about as well, but some common sense will keep you safe.

Actually, you can get it through dermal contact and inhalation as well as ingestion:

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/csem.asp?csem=7&po=6

Contact with skin used to be a more common problem when gasoline was leaded. But one of the worst cases I've heard of is from a Boeing machinist who reshaped his lead hammer on a grinder at regular intervals, and his wife who was around the dust he brought home on his clothes:

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19910412&slug=1276980

Does anyone have more info on where to find out whether a cord has a lead jacket before buying? I don't see any info in tech spec sheets or the usual places. Do indoor rated cords have to be lead free?
 

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Flexzilla. Made in USA.

USR1022172_170923_FlexzillaProElectricalCord.jpg
 

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It is estimated that during Roman times, there were over 900 lead smelters on the Italian peninsula. They made lead pipe for carrying drinking water, and other uses. There is no doubt that lead contributed to the demise of the Roman Empire. Core samples taken from the Greenland ice sheet reveal high lead levels during this period of time that the Romans were doing all of this smelting.

I agree, if you handle the cord so much that you have concerns about it, then buy US made SO cord and good Daniel Woodhead ends and make your own. You will have a much better cord.

Charles
 

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Flexzilla. Made in USA.

USR1022172_170923_FlexzillaProElectricalCord.jpg

It is possibly a "made in the USA of global components" or is it completely US made?

Marmon businesses operate approximately 300 manufacturing, distribution and service facilities, and employ more than 17,000 people worldwide. Revenues totaled approximately $7 billion in 2013.

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Seriously, unless you wear a respirator all day and a tyvek suit with gloves a la haz mat ,ost of us are exposing themselves to far more hazardous things in our jobs every day and don't think twice about it. Any kind of mechanic or machinist, maintenance position, construction/remodeling...the tiny bit of lead that may or may not actually be in that cord jacket is nothing to worry about - you're in Cali where the thought of common sense is rare.
also, reread that prop warning - it doesn't say this product contains lead. It says this product contains chemicals, including lead.... lead is one of the chemicals it may contain. Remember the warning was written by a politician so it's in legal-eze. Remember when all off road vehicles, bicycles, and scooters were banned under that prop 65 because there was a trace amount of lead in the zinc white metal cast parts (like brake cable ends)?

The previous generation(s) had far less safety concerns and regulations on everything in life, and while there are and were some serious problems most of the things "we" fear today are laughable. How many mechanics used to wash parts and even their hands with gasolene back in the day... with leaded gas... and a Camel unfiltered hanging out of their mouth? comparing Rome's downfall (yes, the lead) to today's ultra paranoid society is apples and oranges, even 50 years ago. A very small percentage of people are hyper sensitive to lead from dermal contact. Ingestion and inhalation are the major factors, so the average person will have no effect from the cord, or 90% of the other normal items this warning is on.
Here's some reading on it in english http://oehha.ca.gov/prop65/background/p65plain.html
FWIw Aspirin, Alcohol (as in beer and wine), leather dust, and wood dust are all on the list of prop 65 chemicals.
 

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This is also a concern of mine. I have looked around for a lead-free cord, and cannot find one. It may not be listed online but when it arrives a tag on the cord says it contains lead. I assume the cord contains lead unless otherwise stated.

A few years ago I've read that European regulations forbid lead in cords, so there are alternatives. We certainly do not need more lead in our lives, it should be something we find replacements for and phase out.

That said, does standard black rubber wire sheathing have lead in it? It's easy enough to make a cord.
 
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Seriously, unless you wear a respirator all day and a tyvek suit with gloves a la haz mat ,ost of us are exposing themselves to far more hazardous things in our jobs every day and don't think twice about it.

I hear you, but I've had lead poisoning before and I have a family member with lead and barium poisoning. It's truly horrible. Also, this cord is not for my shop, but rather to go from a 20amp outlet next to the main panel in my apartment (not dryer outlet -- a different one) through the office and out to the balcony, such that I can test electric motors when I'm at home (a temporary fix -- adding 20a service to the balcony is not an option). I do not want a leaded cord shedding lead on my home floors or me.

Seriously, I used to be much more lax about PPE. Nowadays, I take my full face cartridge mask and Tyvek suit seriously when I'm messing with poison (and when I'm bringing it home on my clothes for other family members to consume...). After you try living with heavy metal poisoning, you tend to pay attention to Prop 65 warnings.

Does anyone know if interior-rated cords have lead-free jackets? It seems to be hard to differentiate between lead in the solder (which I don't care about) and lead in the jacket (which I do care about).
 
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This is also a concern of mine. I have looked around for a lead-free cord, and cannot find one. It may not be listed online but when it arrives a tag on the cord says it contains lead. I assume the cord contains lead unless otherwise stated.

A few years ago I've read that European regulations forbid lead in cords, so there are alternatives. We certainly do not need more lead in our lives, it should be something we find replacements for and phase out.

That said, does standard black rubber wire sheathing have lead in it? It's easy enough to make a cord.

There's a reason it does not exist. Prop 65 relates to EVERYTHING in the cord, and the warning is triggered at miniscule amounts of lead.

You're worried about lead in the sheathing. And rightly so. PVC made in China often contains lead. People saying you need to ingest the lead are not getting it. Your hands come into contact with the vinyl, so lead can rub off on them. That can then contaminate food.

There was a big recall just a few years ago of vinyl venetian blinds that contained lead. In the package, the lead is pretty well contained in the vinyl. But after years of exposure to UV, the surface chalks, and the dust contains lead. I suppose the same would happen to your extension cord, if left in the sun.

SO cord uses a rubber jacket (you can get similar cords in TPE or neoprene). These jackets are almost certainly lead free (and superior to PVC in may other ways too).

But you're not seeing the big picture. ALL cords will have lead in the brass used in the plug. You may have noticed that brass containing lead (also called free machining brass) has been recalled from all plumbing parts, and has been replaced by lead-free brass. That's ok for plumbing parts, but not for a plug blade. It is far too brittle, and would snap off, potentially leaving a dangerous electrified piece of metal sticking out of your outlet.

The existence of brass is a guaranteed trigger for a Prop 65 warning.
 

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There's a reason it does not exist. Prop 65 relates to EVERYTHING in the cord, and the warning is triggered at miniscule amounts of lead.

You're worried about lead in the sheathing. And rightly so. PVC made in China often contains lead. People saying you need to ingest the lead are not getting it. Your hands come into contact with the vinyl, so lead can rub off on them. That can then contaminate food.

There was a big recall just a few years ago of vinyl venetian blinds that contained lead. In the package, the lead is pretty well contained in the vinyl. But after years of exposure to UV, the surface chalks, and the dust contains lead. I suppose the same would happen to your extension cord, if left in the sun.

SO cord uses a rubber jacket (you can get similar cords in TPE or neoprene). These jackets are almost certainly lead free (and superior to PVC in may other ways too).

But you're not seeing the big picture. ALL cords will have lead in the brass used in the plug. You may have noticed that brass containing lead (also called free machining brass) has been recalled from all plumbing parts, and has been replaced by lead-free brass. That's ok for plumbing parts, but not for a plug blade. It is far too brittle, and would snap off, potentially leaving a dangerous electrified piece of metal sticking out of your outlet.

The existence of brass is a guaranteed trigger for a Prop 65 warning.

While i don't doubt there are all kinds of chemicals in the jacket that California knows to cause cancer, my guess is they are talking about very small amounts of trace metals in the wiring and plugs. Lead is one, chromium is another.

The largest two causes of cancer are air and sunlight. Eventually California will outlaw them. Use common sense and you will be fine.
 

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Sounds like an explosive combination of common sense ;)
Point is stuff that was common place and hardly hazardous has been legislated out of existence, or red taped to death because of a select few morons (how about CARB compliant gas cans) or a politician who assumed a duty to protect us from ourselves where no problem existed. We ridicule "them" when a serious issue appears like a single ***** (like the McDonalds coffee burn lawsuit that resulted in the temp warnings on the cups) because the media reports sensationalism over facts (the McD's was repeatedly cited and fined for serving coffee at extreme temp - over 212* IRRC and the woman was scalded and had serious burns requiring hospitalization. We've all spilled coffee on ourselves, I'm sure no one got 3rd degree burns from it.)

Lead is one of many chemicals on the prop 65 warning and one of many in that extension cord. Examine the life an extension cord (especially this particular one will have) - if there is lead in the PVC jacket - contact with skin is minimal (wash your hands after touching it if it bothers you - that's all we shooters to after leaving the gun range and believe me I've got more lead residue and powder chemicals on my hands after a single round is fired than anyone will handling the cord). If it's in doors and not sitting in a window exposed to constant daily UV it's not going to break down like the blinds did. I've got several cords that have lived outside most of their life and the jackets are still not breaking down after several years of 6 months or outside at a stretch running battery chargers, maintainers, and block heaters.

I now heavy metal poisoning is no joke - friends son had it from their apartment with lead paint several years ago. He is hyper sensitive as the average person would not be affected. We all used to play with toys that had lead paint when we were kids - still got some Matchbox cars with the lead paint mostly gone - chipped off and probably ingested many years ago, never mind the high lead content in the casting metal they were made from.

Yes, I take my work clothes off before I come in the house, I leave chemical covered clothes and shoes from yard work (poison and fertilizer) outside to keep it away from the kids, I stay away from Asbestos and do my best not to chew on the trim and windows in my home which undoubtedly has lead paint in it's layers. think of it like the Saccharin debate from years ago which caused the cancer warning on food with the sweetener in it. Lab tests were done by many, especially in the FDA where several people there over the hundred years plus it's been around have felt it was a dangerous product with no evidence to back it.
The last ones in 1977 caused the warning (which was removed in 2000) that it was shown to cause cancer in test animals... not humans - lab animals. Of course we all know it was lab Rats which have little relation to humans. We also generally know the tests were forced because the amount of saccharin the rats were fed would be equivalent to an adult consuming several rail road box cars full of it in a day. Consumption would kill you long before cancer...which it turns out was never there. See, scientists forgot to take into consideration that Rats are not humans and don't act like humans behaviorally or genetically. The cell growth they found in the rats was caused by something else but they had attributed it to the saccharin testing, which is why the warning labels were removed.

If you want to believe something you will believe it regardless of the evidence and facts right in front of you. so many believe autism is caused by vaccinations even tho the evidence shows otherwise and the single study supporting it was proven falsified and created to push an idea not just once, but multiple times. Society believes the multivitamins we swallow daily are helping keep us healthy when numerous studies have shown the absorption rates for those compounds in the multivitamins are miniscule in the form and dosages in the pils while many believe vitamin C helps the immune system (a hold over from the same doctor who instilled the daily vitamin belief and who's career was destroyed over the insistence on vit C) with absolutely zero scientific results proving it.
I don't remember his name, but I'm sure google will yield info for anyone interested in learning more (or fact checking me)

If you really really don't want a cord subject to Prop 65 you're probably out of luck due to the previously mentioned brass plug terminals, but there are plenty sources of rubber jacketed cordage out there. Be prepared to replace it regularly since rubber is so UV sensitive. I have had to replace rubber jacketed power cords on several tools (porter cable of Pentair days) almost annually.
 
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Be prepared to replace it regularly since rubber is so UV sensitive. I have had to replace rubber jacketed power cords on several tools (porter cable of Pentair days) almost annually.

Interesting -- I was just preparing to submit a McMaster order for a large amount of rubber cord. Do you have any thoughts on whether Neoprene Rubber or Thermoplastic Rubber cords hold up better to UV?
 

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I'm almost positive everything according to California has that prop 65 warning. From that electrical cord to a pair of socks for Christ sake.

I wouldn't worry about it your really nit picking a non issue
 

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It is estimated that during Roman times, there were over 900 lead smelters on the Italian peninsula. They made lead pipe for carrying drinking water, and other uses. There is no doubt that lead contributed to the demise of the Roman Empire. Core samples taken from the Greenland ice sheet reveal high lead levels during this period of time that the Romans were doing all of this smelting.

I agree, if you handle the cord so much that you have concerns about it, then buy US made SO cord and good Daniel Woodhead ends and make your own. You will have a much better cord.

Charles


Charles, you are correct. I have read the water in this region of Italy had mineral deposits that caused in inside of lead pipe to calcify providing a "protective" coating. It is thought lead levels were much lower than once thought.
 

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Charles, you are correct. I have read the water in this region of Italy had mineral deposits that caused in inside of lead pipe to calcify providing a "protective" coating. It is thought lead levels were much lower than once thought.

Which is basically the same as the lead soldered copper pipe issue. The lead corrodes over, and is not directly exposed to the water after that. I live in a house with lead soldered copper pipes. For several years we had to test the water in this house (before I owned it) because the community water system was regulated,...... and no lead was ever detected in the house, or the only other house in the neighborhood with lead soldered pipes, so I guess the corrosion works!! Later we drilled another well, split the systems and became unregulated, so we no longer test (its expensive).

The point I was making about the Romans, was in part, that they were breathing lots of it. Had to be if there was enough that it was making it all the way to Greenland.

Of course the fall of the Romans led Europe into the dark ages.

Also, the Romans used lead for making plates, decanters, drinking cups, etc.

I like lead, especially when it is installed in a small slug in a brass case with powder inside.

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Interesting -- I was just preparing to submit a McMaster order for a large amount of rubber cord. Do you have any thoughts on whether Neoprene Rubber or Thermoplastic Rubber cords hold up better to UV?

Neoprene is not UV stable on it's own either. Often items that will be exposed have an additive which helps, but it's not good long term. Thermoplastic rubber is usually very good for UV but it does depend on the specific compound.
 

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The McDonalds coffee lawsuit is often used as an example of a bad lawsuit. I generally dislike lawsuits, but in this case, McDonalds is to blame largely for this one.

The woman's last name was Liebeck. She did spill McDonalds coffee on herself and it caused third degree burns on contact on ~6% of her body. She asked McDonalds for $20,000 to help pay her medical bills as she spent 8 days in the hospital and had to get skin grafts.

McDonalds refused so she sued. During discovery, McDonalds documents showed they had over 700 documented cases of patrons being seriously burned including numerous 3rd degree burns due to their coffee. Their own documents also stated they knew their coffee was unfit for human consumption at the time of sale. It was documented that the company was given numerous warnings about the burn hazard of their coffee and ignored them.

McDonalds was serving their coffee at between 180F and 190F where other establishments served theirs at ~135F-150F. That is the reason most people have not gotten 3rd degree burns from spilled coffee.

McDonalds defense was people buy their coffee then drive to work or home and drink it upon arrival so it would have time to cool.

The jury found Liebeck partly responsible so the damage award was reduced. After the verdict against McDonalds, the store where she bought her coffee lowered the serving temperature down to ~155F.

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Thought I read somewhere that they had the coffee that hot to conform to some Heath regulation. The Heath reg was changed after this happened.

But I don't know for sure and don't feel like looking for proof lol
 
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UPDATE***: I just spoke to techs at US Wire and also at Direct Wire (two USA-made cord companies). Both state that all cords they make are ROHS compliant, which means they pass the EU lead-free standard. I'l also update the original post in case others are looking for lead-free info as well.
 

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UPDATE***: I just spoke to techs at US Wire and also at Direct Wire (two USA-made cord companies). Both state that all cords they make are ROHS compliant, which means they pass the EU lead-free standard. I'l also update the original post in case others are looking for lead-free info as well.

ROHS is for the most part a "sane" regulation setting reasonable limits on lead. It still allows for 4% lead in brass though, unlike Prop 65 which does not.
IMHO, leaded brass in a plug blade is just fine. It increases the safety of the plug, and would not present you with any lead exposure. Probably in a plumbing fitting too, except for when that brass comes into contact with an acidic solution (not something that should happen in a municipal water system, as acid leaches copper too, so water suppliers are careful about this, but is a real issue in say an iced-tea pitcher with a lead tap).

I do not know what the limits for lead in PVC are under ROHS, but I would expect it to be near zero, so I think you are on the right track.
 
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For what it's worth, I just got a US Wire 12/3 extension cord in the mail from Amazon, and there is no Prop 65 warning on it. I'm not sure whether this is due to an oversight on Amazon's part, or whether US Wire has low enough levels not to need the warning.
 
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