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Looking for some opinions on these.

For general automotive type use, I’m thinking of getting a set. I can see the benefit for brake caliper mounting and front of the engine type work. There are 2 styles, one is a double flex, and one is not.

Anyone with experience or opinion on them?

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I just bought a 17-19mm Tekton old style 6 point for $25 to go with my Astro Nano impact sockets.
Not super thrilled by it honestly. The head is too floppy. Will probably keep it however for my limited use. Can always use electrical tape to stiffen it up.

I would buy the recent Mounainn/Icon/Tekton stuff over the old style.

Does anyone make a locking or indexing head?
 

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I have the Gearwrench set and a handful of Matco's, They are quite handy, I use them about as much as a normal combination wrench. The 18mm gets used quite a bit on caliper bracket bolts, 14mm too. The fixed box end can be as useful as the flex box end.

The spline feature is somewhat annoying though, it can get hung on on fasteners at times. 12pt would be better IMO, no ones makes them like that. Matco (Kabo) spline drive is better then the GW, but the cost of the Matco wrenches offsets it. GW is also 120 tooth vs. 72 IIRC, it can make some difference depending on what you're doing.
 

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I have a set of snap-on ratcheting box wrenches I bought in the 80s (metric & standard.). I turned wrench for a living for something like 10 years, and have always been a car / motorcyclist enthusiast.
They are some of my most infrequently used tools. There is frequently either negligible clearance, or enough clearance to use sockets.
 

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I have the icon fixed double box wrenches and like them a lot. High torque, long reach, and they’re nice and slim to get into tiny spaces. Flex ratchet end as pictured in the OP would probably be an upgrade.

Get 1-2 singles from Tekton in frequently-used sizes, try them out, I think you’ll like them.
 

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Getting the Tone RMA400L set was one of the best decisions i've made; I filled in what wasnt a part of the set with individual wrench orders.

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I have the Gearwrench set and a handful of Matco's, They are quite handy, I use them about as much as a normal combination wrench. The 18mm gets used quite a bit on caliper bracket bolts, 14mm too. The fixed box end can be as useful as the flex box end.

The spline feature is somewhat annoying though, it can get hung on on fasteners at times. 12pt would be better IMO, no ones makes them like that. Matco (Kabo) spline drive is better than the GW, but the cost of the Matco wrenches offsets it. GW is also 120 tooth vs. 72 IIRC, it can make some difference depending on what you're doing.
Tekton came out with a new set recently. One end is ratcheting flex head the other end is 12 point fixed
 

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I think the Vim models are made by Tone as they share that strange flex head design where there's only grooves halfway across the flex head base. Probably the most expensive though. I like the new Tekton versions because they aren't really long. The Gearwrench set is great if you really need length. I feel that sometimes they're too long to use. I think Tekton has the best warranty service of the bunch. :beer:
 

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$700 for imported wrenches, and just being 8-19 is absolute lunacy
If you want cheap, there are Chinese options (I assume) for $55 on Amazon.
Probably not great, but good enough to help a DIY guy reach a challenge spot.
 

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I have the old style Tekton double flex and I like them. Although I think they are a bit long for normal use. Also wish they were 12 point to make it easier to get on the bolt.

I also have a non flex offset double ratchet from Lang and I like them better because they are much shorter.

The Tekton ones I have are Imperial and the Lang ones are Metric. I think I will end up getting another set of each to have Metric and Imperial in both sizes.


The Lang ones do have a much smaller tooth count, but because they are so short it has not been much of an issue. Might be a bigger issue with a real long handle. Picture of the Lang Wrench.
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If you want cheap, there are Chinese options (I assume) for $55 on Amazon.
Probably not great, but good enough to help a DIY guy reach a challenge spot.
The point isn't that I need a cheap option, the point is that it's a mid tier quality brand importing product and charging Snap On money for it. Compared to Tekton which offers more sizes all together for less than one of the VIM sets, and the quality is going to be nearly identical.
 

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The point isn't that I need a cheap option, the point is that it's a mid tier quality brand importing product and charging Snap On money for it. Compared to Tekton which offers more sizes all together for less than one of the VIM sets, and the quality is going to be nearly identical.
Although convenient to think about tools in three levels, there is an infinite scale between each of those levels.

Also the pricing isn't exactly snap on level. Snap On wrenches range from $72 to $130 per wrench of this style.

I can't speak for the other brands, but i would over and again pay the $50/wrench for the Tone's; they are a treat to use.

I'm surprised you guys are non-challant about wrenches being spline drive; I'm still stuck on wanting my wrenches to be hex.
 
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Personally, I would get the single flex with the non ratcheting fixed end. Used the fixed end to break loose and the ratcheting end to run the bolt out.
 

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I have the matco set of fixed box end and ratcheting flex head. Never an issue. Recently bought the gear wrench set the OP posted for my road box. The gear wrench are actually nicer because they went to a higher number of teeth. What I like about this style over the double flex box is the fixed box end for breaking **** loose. Co worker has the double flex( mountain) I believe and he's constantly needing to warranty them which is always an issue.
 

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I just bought a 17-19mm Tekton old style 6 point for $25 to go with my Astro Nano impact sockets.
Not super thrilled by it honestly. The head is too floppy. Will probably keep it however for my limited use. Can always use electrical tape to stiffen it up.

I would buy the recent Mounainn/Icon/Tekton stuff over the old style.

Does anyone make a locking or indexing head?
I have a full set of the old Tekton 6pt. I love them and do not find the heads too floppy. Could just be a preference thing. I’m sure they’ll loosen more as they age (Mine were some of the very last produced, purchased on closeout of prior design).

The only complaint I’d wager on the older Tektons is sort of a non-complaint, but they grab fasteners so well that they are often hard to remove. This is sort of the nature of these flex-end DBEs because lifting it off the fastener will inevitably lift the hinged side more than the unhinged back part, causing the wrench to bind a little on the fastener head.

By my reckoning, this “issue” is the nature of the tool itself, not peculiar to the Tekton approach.
 

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I have the old style Tekton double flex and I like them. Although I think they are a bit long for normal use. Also wish they were 12 point to make it easier to get on the bolt.

I also have a non flex offset double ratchet from Lang and I like them better because they are much shorter.

The Tekton ones I have are Imperial and the Lang ones are Metric. I think I will end up getting another set of each to have Metric and Imperial in both sizes.


The Lang ones do have a much smaller tooth count, but because they are so short it has not been much of an issue. Might be a bigger issue with a real long handle. Picture of the Lang Wrench.
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That Lang reminds me of the old C-mans I have that are next to useless. The heads are so big they just often do not fit. I gave mine away since they were about dead last on my “preferred reach” chart.
 

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I'd rather have a few sets of the Astro Nano stuff.
I took me awhile to figure out just why the Nano stuff works so well and why it’s almost always my first choice. But I think I had a bit of an epiphany.

Astro realized that almost every common fastener a mechanic will see is a capscrew in a blind hole. Very, very few nuts on very long studs or bolts are used such were you need a very deep socket to reach down the length of threads to grab the hex.

What this means is that a very shallow socket that’s just deep enough to handle the head of a common hex head is quite sufficient.

And not only does the shallow/short socket fit where other sockets won’t, it is much less likely to come off the fastener under torque loads. Deep sockets move the torque apply distance farther above the plane of the head head and this caused your applied torque to want to pop the tool off the head. The deeper the socket, the worst this is.

At the other extreme, you have something like a box end that applies the torque exactly in the center of the hex itself, so it’s going to stay on the hex.

The shallow Nano sockets just work brilliantly in the real world. Grab a 22mm ratching XL box wrench and you can use the 1/2” drive Nanos almost like you’d use the 3/8 Nanos with the Astro 78318 ratching wrench (17mm). I see they’ve added the 78218 for the larger 22mm hexes now, so that’s a great option.


I do wish they made an “oops I shoulda bought the larger set” completion set that lets you buy the 20-24mm sizes in case (like me) you made a mistake and bought the 3/8 set that stops at 19mm.
 
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I'm surprised you guys are non-challant about wrenches being spline drive; I'm still stuck on wanting my wrenches to be hex.
Spline drive doesn't bother me, I don't really care if it mars up a fastener or not, in the salt belt, I like the grip on already corroded fasteners. If I want a hex end, I have the Craftsman V series single flex end ones (the six point ones), which I've found surprisingly nice to use lately. Otherwise I use my Icon/Cornwell double flex reversibles.
 
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Thanks for all the responses.

I never thought there were so many choices/options. I saw the Gearwrench set in one of the “sale” flyers at work. They seemed handy.

But now I remember that they have splines. And that the only time I tried one, it got jammed due to a long fastener, and I couldn’t reverse it. I felt like a total spaz.

I’ve got to look at them all closely now!
 

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I took me awhile to figure out just why the Nano stuff works so well and why it’s almost always my first choice. But I think I had a bit of an epiphany.

Astro realized that almost every common fastener a mechanical will see is a capscrew in a blind hole. Very, very few nuts on very long studs or bolts are used such were you need a very deep socket to reach down the length of threads to grab the hex.

What this means is that a very shallow socket that’s just deep enough to handle the head of a common hex head is quite sufficient.

And not only does the shallow/short socket fit where other sockets won’t, it is much less likely to come off the fastener under torque loads. Deep sockets move the torque apply distance farther above the plane of the head head and this caused your applied torque to want to pop the tool off the head. The deeper the socket, the worst this is.

At the other extreme, you have something like a box end that applies the torque exactly in the center of the hex itself, so it’s going to stay on the hex.

The shallow Nano sockets just work brilliantly in the real world. Grab a 22mm ratching XL box wrench and you can use the 1/2” drive Nanos almost like you’d use the 3/8 Nanos with the Astro 78318 ratching wrench (17mm). I see they’ve added the 78218 for the larger 22mm hexes now, so that’s a great option.


I do wish they made an “oops I shoulda bought the larger set” completion set that lets you buy the 20-24mm sizes in case (like me) you made a mistake and bought the 3/8 set that stops at 19mm.
They've said elsewhere that they would sell a "complete the set" set if you email them.
 

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I think the Vim models are made by Tone as they share that strange flex head design where there's only grooves halfway across the flex head base. Probably the most expensive though. I like the new Tekton versions because they aren't really long. The Gearwrench set is great if you really need length. I feel that sometimes they're too long to use. I think Tekton has the best warranty service of the bunch. :beer:

Tone doesn't make ratcheting wrenches. They are made in taiwan, forget the manufacturer is, maybe kabo 🤔. You can now get the I-beam design in other brands like takagi or DCM. I love in Japan and now see all the rebranded stuff 😅.
 

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If I ever got one of those it would be 12 point and Snap-on. I'd rather have one nice wrench instead of a whole set of mediocre wrenches.
 

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If I ever got one of those it would be 12 point and Snap-on. I'd rather have one nice wrench instead of a whole set of mediocre wrenches.
I’d rather buy an equally-capable tool at a fraction of the price and invest the money I saved. To each their own :cool:
 

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I have a mixed bunch of Monster and Platinum. Looks like they all came from the same factory. No COO, I'd guess Taiwan. Mine are second hand and led a hard life before me yet continue to serve well.
Many of the other brands I see also look identical to mine. I'll bet lots of rebranding on these things so a careful shopper could probably score a super deal.
They are very useful, I like the leverage they provide, the flex head and the spline fastener engagement. What I don't like is the reversing button at the side of the wrench. Too many times I've had to remove the wrench to re-reverse the drive direction after the side of the wrench touches something whilst swinging it. Seems Tone has addressed this.
 

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The point isn't that I need a cheap option, the point is that it's a mid tier quality brand importing product and charging Snap On money for it. Compared to Tekton which offers more sizes all together for less than one of the VIM sets, and the quality is going to be nearly identical.

The VIM are reversible, the Tekton aren't. Everything VIM sells is available online thru other vendors for considerably less than on their website, as has been said every time someone complains about their pricing. And now you will bring up the warranty.... :ROFLMAO:

It's simple, don't buy VIM if you don't like their pricing or warranty. It's just another option to consider.
 

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Personally, I would get the single flex with the non ratcheting fixed end. Used the fixed end to break loose and the ratcheting end to run the bolt out.
I agree with this. I have the Gearwrench GearBox XL set, and it's really handy. I use the fixed end to break the fastener loose, and the ratcheting end to spin it out. It's great for caliper bolts.
 

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The VIM are reversible, the Tekton aren't. Everything VIM sells is available online thru other vendors for considerably less than on their website, as has been said every time someone complains about their pricing. And now you will bring up the warranty.... :ROFLMAO:

It's simple, don't buy VIM if you don't like their pricing or warranty. It's just another option to consider.
I do got one complaint about vim that isn’t there pricing or warranty. They made these sweet ratcheting wrench heads that fit on 3/8 extensions. NORA is the product code

they first said no warranty because they were afraid people might do stupid stuff like put them on the end of a 3 foot extension

they got alot of real angry people respond and they changed there warranty policy to cover them but said please don’t use these on a long extension you should use common sense

then two days ago they make a video where the one who said all that was on a tool truck that sells vim and trying to show how cool the new NORA wrench ends are and asks the tool truck guy for 3 foot extension and he puts the NORA on the end and says I bet your other ratcheting wrenches can’t do this

and now i realize there a bunch of idiots and I shouldn’t be watching there YouTube or IG anymore

i got some of there tools and like them and it saying there tools are bad or anything but the people that work there are stupid and that guy is the owners son so they can’t fire him 😂
 
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