F you purolator

[cderalow]

So rather than using my normal honda Bosch or mobil1 filter on the last oil change on our odyssey, I opted to cheap out and use a purolator gold filter.

Said filter disintegrated while using my hand to remove it.

Rant over

 

[91FE]

Cheap out with purolator? Fram is cheaping out. Purolator golds are my go-to in the accord.

 

[mrpizza]

I always use the purolator pure one filters and I like them. Much better than a fram...

 

[HOTFR8]

So the lesson today is. Quality is remembered, Long after the price is forgotten.

 

[SMKS]

Was this a cartridge filter? What number is it? Where was it made?

There isn't a filter called the "Purolator Gold."

There's the Purolator Classic, the PureOne and the new Synthetic filter.
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/products/oil_filters/Pages/purolatoroilfilters.aspx

Purolator is highly regarded on the engine oil/auto maintenance site I frequent. But, I think they may outsource the cartridge filters to other companies.

 

[Hephaestus29]

One time I was changing the oil on my 73 Cuda' in the paved driveway when my mom told me not to. I said why not ? she said because I don't want oil all over the place! & I said i've changed the oil a bunch of times without spilling a drop. So when she left I got started, changed it, started it up & oil pumped out all over the driveway.

I didn't forget the filter, what happened was somehow when I pulled the old fram filter off the rubber seal ring got left behind stuck to the block. So when I put the new filter on it didn't seal right. This had to be one of those one in a million times that something like this would happen so my mom could say I told you so I guess.

 

[Jawn]

One time I was changing the oil on my 73 Cuda' in the paved driveway when my mom told me not to. I said why not ? she said because I don't want oil all over the place! & I said i've changed the oil a bunch of times without spilling a drop. So when she left I got started, changed it, started it up & oil pumped out all over the driveway.

I didn't forget the filter, what happened was somehow when I pulled the old fram filter off the rubber seal ring got left behind stuck to the block. So when I put the new filter on it didn't seal right. This had to be one of those one in a million times that something like this would happen so my mom could say I told you so I guess.

That happened to me (although on a gravel driveway). I can't recall if I used some off-brand that time, but I usually stick to AC Delco. Pretty sure I would *not* have used a Fram.

Filter in my car is halfway up the backside of the block, can't really see it so I change it by feel. One day after changing the oil, I started it up and got back out of the car to check for leaks. I was hearing an odd splattering noise... look under, and there's a freaking waterfall of oil pouring out the underside. Shut it off quick and crawl back under, stick my hand up there and find the old filter's seal wadded up between the block and new filter. Had to borrow a car to go to town to get more oil.

 

[Nhrabill]

Getting a gasket left on the block is because the person who installed the last filter never rubbed the new filter gasket with oil. Just stick your finger into new or old oil and rub on the new filter and it won't stick 3 months later.

Never had a problem ever with Purolator changed oil thousands of times come to think of it only time I had issues with filters is when it was installed too tight by whoever did it last

Sorry to hear of your troubles

 

[Hephaestus29]

Getting a gasket left on the block is because the person who installed the last filter never rubbed the new filter gasket with oil. Just stick your finger into new or old oil and rub on the new filter and it won't stick 3 months later.

Never had a problem ever with Purolator changed oil thousands of times come to think of it only time I had issues with filters is when it was installed too tight by whoever did it last

Sorry to hear of your troubles

I don't believe that was the case with my oil change as I have always done what you said, it must not have been glued to the steel good enough apparently.

My dad had an 83 ford ranger that we had to literally beat & tear the oil filter off of more than once because it got so tight after running it I guess but the rubber seal never got stuck to the block.

 

[PaulsGarage]

I haven't used Purlator in 15 years, had one that literally blew the canister off the base on my Saab (I know, laugh if you must), the crimped seam was weak I guess but man, what a mess. I use only genuine dealer filters or German-made Mann or Mahle on my euro cars these days.

 

[cderalow]

Was this a cartridge filter? What number is it? Where was it made?

There isn't a filter called the "Purolator Gold."

There's the Purolator Classic, the PureOne and the new Synthetic filter.
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/products/oil_filters/Pages/purolatoroilfilters.aspx

Purolator is highly regarded on the engine oil/auto maintenance site I frequent. But, I think they may outsource the cartridge filters to other companies.

No cartridge, standard twist on.

I call it gold because it was that color... gold. All that remains of it that is recognizable is the crimp seam and gasket. The rest of it literally wound up in tiny torn little metal pieces all over my garage floor and neatly embedded in my hand.

Other lesson for the day, wear something heavier than nitrile gloves for oil changes.

 

[SMKS]

Can you provide any pics? That seems very unusual. Maybe we could make a guess at what happened if we can see it.

If it was yellow, than it was a PureONE filter.

 

[Charles (in GA)]

I've been using Pure One filters, at least three different part numbers of them, for several years now, without any problems at all.

You really should be using Dow 4 silicone grease on the gasket, it works much better than oil. I really crank a filter down tight, and never have a problem getting it off. Gasket stuck to the engine is the installers fault, you should wipe the engine down good and make sure there is no gasket stuck to the engine before installing the new filter.

Only filter I've ever had a problem with was Fram. They won't hold oil in them when the engine is not running and it drains out and you don't have any oil pressure on startup. This was on a Ford which has an anti-drainback in it. Haven't used a Fram in years.

Charles

 

[ajchien]

Weird.

The Purolator Pure One 14610 filter is identical to the Black Bosch3323 filter for my Hondas.

Cut them open. They're the same. Either Bosch owns Purolator, or Purolator owns Bosch.

See pics of old Purolator pure one (they recently changed the can color from blue to gold) and current Bosch.

http://www.crvownersclub.com/forums/19-maintenance-service/4903-fram-oil-filter-2.html

Nevertheless, got pics? Just curious how it failed.

 

[ddawg16]

Wix for my engines.

 

[internetdude]

All I use is OEM filters. Cost isn't an issue, quality is.

 

[fivespdcat]

All I use is OEM filters. Cost isn't an issue, quality is.

Who do you think makes those OEM filters? I would love to see pics of what happened, plus call purolator, they'll take care of it.

 

[Hankdog1]

Went off on a guy at Advance for trying to sell me a puralator when I asked for an AC Delco. Sometimes people don't understand cheaper isn't always better.

 

[ajchien]

Who do you think makes those OEM filters? I would love to see pics of what happened, plus call purolator, they'll take care of it.

Last I recall, hondas had 2 OEM filters. The ones that had a part number ending in A01 was from toyo roki in Japan. The one ending in a02 was from fram.

 

[fivespdcat]

Last I recall, hondas had 2 OEM filters. The ones that had a part number ending in A01 was from toyo roki in Japan. The one ending in a02 was from fram.

There are different suppliers for each OEM, but I was making a general statement. OEs don't make every part on your car, they have a lot of suppliers that do.

I don't have any idea who supplied the original on my Acura(Honda), but I've used firestone (no idea who made these) branded, mobil1 and most recently switched back to purolators on both cars and never had an issue with any of them. Make sure the gasket comes out with the old filter, oil up the new gasket and don't over tighten and things seem to work out ok for me.

 

[VinDSL]

Speaking of PureOne oil filters, here's a funny one for you...

I changed my oil the other day, and couldn't get my trusty Purolator PureONE to break loose. I tried everything -- carbon fiber socket - thin wall metal socket - thin band wrench - wide band wrench, blah, blah, blah.

After 2 hours of cussing, I wasn't getting anywhere -- the sides of the filter were crushed -- there's no room on a B16A2 to pierce the filter with a screwdriver -- no room to use a hammer and chisel. Basically, I was ****ed!

At 2:00 AM I decided to go to bed and try it again when the sun came up...

I wasn't asleep for 5 minutes when the 'fix' came to me. LoL! I wanted to jump out of bed and give it a try, but I was too pissed off, beat up, and tired.

What I did was take a cast aluminum 80mm filter socket -- drilled 2 holes in it -- drilled a couple of pilot holes in the filter top, and used 1 1/2-inch long sheet metal screws to attach the socket to the filter. Heh! No more slip n' slide...

Anyway, they say a picture is worth 1000 words. You might want to store this away in the back of your mind, in case you ever run across this problem:

 

[VinDSL]

Can you provide any pics? That seems very unusual. Maybe we could make a guess at what happened if we can see it.[...]

Don't know what happened to the OP, but... I can tell you exactly what happened to me.

I always use filter sockets, and either a 3/8" ratchet wrench or 3/4" combo wrench to loosen them, depending on how much room I have to play with.

The problem is two-fold. I've been using PureOne oil filters since 2000. In the old says, the metal was thick, and the chrome was straight. LoL! The last few years, however, Purolator has been making the shell thinner n' thinner. That's the first part of the problem.

The second part is, those (supposedly) "PTFE treated sealing gaskets" are stickier than a mofo! A thin coat of oil doesn't do jack! I pull the gasket out of the groove and coat it with Lubriplate -- and those SOBs still weld themselves to the block!

Anyway, back to the story...

I used a carbon fiber filter socket and 3/8" ratchet wrench, like I've been doing for 12 years, and as soon as I turned the filter, the sides wrinkled and caved in, like a beer can. No kidding! And, I didn't put that much pressure on it. At the same time, it deformed the top of the filter, so none of my other sockets would grab it either. Strap wrenches just slipped, and caved it in even more.

At that point, we were off to the races, in a hail of cursing! Heh!

I'm seriously considering switching to a different manufacturer, after all these years. Their filter media is still the best, IMO, but the shells **** big time!

Sort of like when you go to the dentist and he tells you, "Your teeth are fine, but your gums need to go." You know?

 

[Gixerfixer]

One time I was changing the oil on my 73 Cuda' in the paved driveway when my mom told me not to. I said why not ? she said because I don't want oil all over the place! & I said i've changed the oil a bunch of times without spilling a drop. So when she left I got started, changed it, started it up & oil pumped out all over the driveway.

I didn't forget the filter, what happened was somehow when I pulled the old fram filter off the rubber seal ring got left behind stuck to the block. So when I put the new filter on it didn't seal right. This had to be one of those one in a million times that something like this would happen so my mom could say I told you so I guess.

That used to happen if you did not flick the mounting face with your finger when I worked at a Honda dealer many moons ago I served my apprenticeship there, i only did this the once though and that was genuine Honda filters too I had never see this happen previous to this on any other car I worked on I have never forgot this for obvious reasons it could of cost that 4WS Prelude it's lower end if it wasn't spotted Has Paulsgarage correctly states never had a problem with Mann, Mahle or Hengst come to that, we can't get Purolator filters easily here and can't say I recall ever fitting one.

 

[cderalow]

Don't know what happened to the OP, but... I can tell you exactly what happened to me.

I always use filter sockets, and either a 3/8" ratchet wrench or 3/4" combo wrench to loosen them, depending on how much room I have to play with.

The problem is two-fold. I've been using PureOne oil filters since 2000. In the old says, the metal was thick, and the chrome was straight. LoL! The last few years, however, Purolator has been making the shell thinner n' thinner. That's the first part of the problem.

The second part is, those (supposedly) "PTFE treated sealing gaskets" are stickier than a mofo! A thin coat of oil doesn't do jack! I pull the gasket out of the groove and coat it with Lubriplate -- and those SOBs still weld themselves to the block!

Anyway, back to the story...

I used a carbon fiber filter socket and 3/8" ratchet wrench, like I've been doing for 12 years, and as soon as I turned the filter, the sides wrinkled and caved in, like a beer can. No kidding! And, I didn't put that much pressure on it. At the same time, it deformed the top of the filter, so none of my other sockets would grab it either. Strap wrenches just slipped, and caved it in even more.

At that point, we were off to the races, in a hail of cursing! Heh!

I'm seriously considering switching to a different manufacturer, after all these years. Their filter media is still the best, IMO, but the shells **** big time!

Sort of like when you go to the dentist and he tells you, "Your teeth are fine, but your gums need to go." You know?

This is pretty much what happened. was twisting it off with my monkey arms and the sides caved and shredded.

bottom part turned off in my hand, top half remained attached to the bottom of the block.

all that remains is the bottom piece, which looks like the titanic about half way up, and the very top piece of the filter body where it mounts to the block.

everything else is little metal bits littered across my garage floor.

i never do more than hand tighten a filter. ever.

other problem with it, was with it's new 'grip' coating, i couldn't get the damn filter socket I normally use on it at all, which is the Honda OEM wrench.

 

[Jawn]

This is pretty much what happened. was twisting it off with my monkey arms and the sides caved and shredded.

bottom part turned off in my hand, top half remained attached to the bottom of the block.

all that remains is the bottom piece, which looks like the titanic about half way up, and the very top piece of the filter body where it mounts to the block.

everything else is little metal bits littered across my garage floor.

i never do more than hand tighten a filter. ever.

other problem with it, was with it's new 'grip' coating, i couldn't get the damn filter socket I normally use on it at all, which is the Honda OEM wrench.

Yer scarin' me.

I think that's the kind of filter I recently bought for my truck.

 

[StRacerDuke]

I had a Fram filter blow out in my 04' F150 and sent filter parts through the heads and block. After a few months of work and new cam phasers I finally cleared all the debris out and got it running correctly again.

 

[Macgyver_ga]

I've been using Pureone filters for as long as I can remember and I've never had a problem with them. I used them on my accord I used to have and now I use them on my Tacoma. You guys must be tightening these way too tight. I've never had a filter that I've installed require more than about 1/4 turn with a filter wrench to get it loose enough to remove it by hand. I've also never had a gasket stick on me. I always lube the o-ring with oil before installing the new filter.

My old roomate had a gasket stick on him when changing the oil on his Saab, it dumped oil all over the driveway.

I have had a filter blow off before but it was an OEM Nissan filter on an SR20DET going in my buddy's Sentra SE-R that we had just rebuilt. It was the motor's first crank after the rebuild. I threw the OE filter in the trash and put a PureOne filter on it and it worked fine, didn't blow off.

 

[Gary S]

All I use is OEM filters. Cost isn't an issue, quality is.

I did the same for many years when GM had their AC Delco filters made using the OLD Champion labs design. The past few years, all the AC Delco filters I've seen use the new Champion labs Ecore design. I will no longer use them.
Now, I buy Hastings, Purolator, Wix, or Baldwin filters because they are larger, and better constructed.

 

[Marshall2u]

One time I was changing the oil on my 73 Cuda' in the paved driveway when my mom told me not to. I said why not ? she said because I don't want oil all over the place! & I said i've changed the oil a bunch of times without spilling a drop. So when she left I got started, changed it, started it up & oil pumped out all over the driveway.

I didn't forget the filter, what happened was somehow when I pulled the old fram filter off the rubber seal ring got left behind stuck to the block. So when I put the new filter on it didn't seal right. This had to be one of those one in a million times that something like this would happen so my mom could say I told you so I guess.

Ditto, but was not a Fram. Happened last summer on my neighbors pickup. This has never happened to me before, so it's somewhat rare, but probably closer to one in a thousand.

 

[Jagmandave]

I use only genuine dealer filters or German-made Mann or Mahle on my euro cars these days.

This /\

 

[cheap bastard]

Pure One filters have been used along side Wix for years in my case. Never has a problem occurred with either. I did do the last change with a Bosch that Advance now carries. The weight and perceived quality was outstanding. Following the recommended practice of turning the filter only 1/8 turn after gasket contact may be beneficial with thin filter cases, though. Over the course of the last 34 years, I have only crossed one car that required more pressure on the gasket than that. It was a 91 Ford ****** that would manage to vibrate the filter loose after a few hundred miles if not tightened significantly more.

 

[tdkkart]

Hmmm, never had a Fram filter leave it's gasket on the engine, and never had a Fram crush when I tried to remove it..........just sayin'.

 

[VinDSL]

I've been using Pureone filters for as long as I can remember and I've never had a problem with them. I used them on my accord I used to have and now I use them on my Tacoma. You guys must be tightening these way too tight.[...]

It's a design flaw. The shell (recent manufacture) is too thin!

Here's a pic that I snapped in 2001...

They were tough as nails, back then! The new ones are a cheap imitations...

Also, they used to make an "oversized" filter ( PL24458). It was for '80s Vics, but worked great on 90's and up.

Now, all they make are wimpy little "teacup" filters with paper thin walls, for my CiViC.

 

[Kev442]

Hmmm, never had a Fram filter leave it's gasket on the engine, and never had a Fram crush when I tried to remove it..........just sayin'.

The only filter I've ever have leave the gasket behind was a Fram.... just sayin.

 

[ajchien]

Once you get that filter off, take pics!

 

[zporta]

amsoil, you get what you pay for

 

[toolmaker1]

Went off on a guy at Advance for trying to sell me a puralator when I asked for an AC Delco. Sometimes people don't understand cheaper isn't always better.

the purolator pure one's cost alot more than the ac delcos. Do a little digging and you will be surprised to see who makes those junk delco's

 

[toolmaker1]

Give you a little hint it's champion labs. they are cardboard endcap e-cores made on the same line as the walmart brand filters. A long time ago they were made by wix but they have been junk for quite some time so that guy you cussed out was trying to sell you a better filter

 

[6768rogues]

One time I was changing the oil on my 73 Cuda' in the paved driveway when my mom told me not to. I said why not ? she said because I don't want oil all over the place! & I said i've changed the oil a bunch of times without spilling a drop. So when she left I got started, changed it, started it up & oil pumped out all over the driveway.

I didn't forget the filter, what happened was somehow when I pulled the old fram filter off the rubber seal ring got left behind stuck to the block. So when I put the new filter on it didn't seal right. This had to be one of those one in a million times that something like this would happen so my mom could say I told you so I guess.

An old gas station owner taught me how to change oil 45 years ago. His exact words were, "Check to make sure the old gasket comes off with the filter because a double gasket will leak like a *****." For the next 40 years I checked every time and never had a gasket stay behind. In the last 5 years, it has happened at least a dozen times. Good thing I check.

 

[jmacali]

napa gold, is made by wix and i think carquest filters are made by wix. They are all i use now. Use to only use a/c delcos but there quality has really droped on the filter.