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Excellent advice. I recall Robert (MP&C) recommending the slightly more expensive cutting wheels meant for stainless steel. They last a lot longer than the "metal" versions. I believe Robert is using a different brand now but the first one he mentioned was Metabo.
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Agreed. Anything designed for stainless should last longer on metal. I also see that those are rated to 25k RPM instead of the 19k that the ones I purchased. That's a good indicator that they're designed to stay together. Metabo is a reputable company too...we'll one I've learned to trust over the years. Doesn't mean they don't make some cheaper versions but their good stuff is usually really good.
 
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Every time I inbox a new cutoff tool I’m reminded of the injuries my friends and co-workers have sustained over the years from cheap wheels even when wearing the appropriate safety gear. This is not an add (I was not paid for this post or products contained within this post), it’s just me sharing what comes to mind with all who may benefit from a Pro-tip:

if you’re new to cutoff wheels either air (3-4”) or grinder (4 1/2 - 7”), the consumables (known as discs, wheels, abrasives) are known to be the cause of a significant number of shop injuries in metal working to the face, eyes, arms, hands, legs, etc.

Consumables that come with new tools, or cheap consumables sold at local box stores or online are more prone to come apart do to poor designs using weaker adhesives, lack of reinforcements in high-stress areas, and lower quality bonding agents.



Quality consumables don’t cost much given the significant improvements in durability which translates to significantly increased safety to the operator. Side by side comparison highlights the obvious feature differences.


Pack of 50 can be had at Amazon (Prime) for less than $50. They last longer, are safer, and at less than $1 each it’s a no brainer.


So when you pull that new tool out of the box it’s going to be tempting to use the wheel that came in the box (or on the tool). Do yourself a favor, remove it, and pitch it unused.

Swap in a new one from a reputable company who designs them with the operator in mind.

I've blown up (or more accurately, broken a piece off, none ever broke around the spindle) a fair few cutoff wheels in my day. However, not too long ago, I switched to 7" discs on a very heavy old 4k rpm B&D 7-9" grinder. Since then, I've not damaged any discs. I've found that when the lightweight 4 1/2" grinders spinning at 11k rpm snag, everything goes wrong in the blink of an eye. But with the big heavy guy, it has so much inetia you can catch it when the disc starts to get pinched. That an it seems to cut a lot faster too and the discs last 10" longer before they become too small. I'm on the lookout for some 9" discs so I can get a fair bit more cut depth and life, if you know of any body that sells affordable, high quality discs in that size I'd be interested.
 

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Thanks for sharing this build.
I find it very interesting and well documented.

I just finished up working with my grandson on a 69 mustang build.
We had a great time bonding while spending a long hour work week getting the car looking like something the boy would enjoy.
 

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Sounds like a good all around jeep. I'm sure you know, as we've learned, that the HID conversion was a really really good upgrade.

What did you mean by "Dual Tops"? You have a soft and a hard top or does that mean something else?

I think it's unfortunate that Jeep didn't get the LJ to market sooner. The difference in length is a big deal in both the back seat and the wheelbase. I suspect they really only brought them out to get people used to "Unlimited" before rolling out the first year of JK's. Who knows...

Indeed the HID conversion was money well spent.

Yes dual tops is that it came with both a hard top and a soft top from the factory. I have both still for it. I also have some half doors with soft uppers as well.

I suspect you are right on the posturing jeep did.

My plan is to snag a new 4 door rubicon diesel once they are available and then sell the LJ unfortunately.
 

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Another thing worth adding related to cut-off wheels - don't use a disc that's been dropped on the floor or banged around. The discs are actually fairly brittle and dropping them can cause cracks that may not be visible, but could put the disc at a higher risk of breaking apart at speed.

I'd also add that 3M Silver cut-off wheels are another excellent option.
 
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Though we didn’t include it in our original build plans, my son talked me into installing a trailgate which is designed to replace the swing out tailgate with an aluminum gate that lays down like old-school pickups.

Andrew started by stripping down the stick gate. Removed the bear paw-style latch and tucked it all out of the way.

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At the same time, I installed a dozen riv-nuts so we could attach the “tramp stamp” which doubled as the trail gate attachment point. After seeing it come together we could have skipped this piece all together (completely unnecessary) and we could have done without turning the rear valence into Swiss cheese. Live/learn.

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Meanwhile Andrew assembled the gate itself. Got the latches, hinges, and tail gate cables installed.

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When he was ready, we attached the hinges and aligned the gate. This will be very different than the swing out gate that came from the factory. I’m not sure I like it yet, I think it will be difficult to reach things towards the back of the rear seat.

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It sure does finish nice though. The shape of the gate matches the tub perfectly and I think a hard too would fit very well too.

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The overall look is dramatically different too. Gives the Jeep a sportier look. Maybe even fast.
 

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I'd suggest swapping the cables for the setup found in an 80s toyota pickup, with a link and chain, that way the chain can be unhooked from the tailgate, allowing it to swing all the way down and you can reach in further.
 
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I'd suggest swapping the cables for the setup found in an 80s toyota pickup, with a link and chain, that way the chain can be unhooked from the tailgate, allowing it to swing all the way down and you can reach in further.


I’ve been thinking about that actually. I don’t like the lack of ingenuity in that regard. Would have been easy to include one of these style -

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One end is fixed, the other has a snap clip.
 

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With the most significant portion of the body fabrication done, it’s time to tear it down and get it off to powder coating. What’s always interesting about disassembly is it takes maybe 1/100th of the time that assembly takes. Impact, a few sockets, a wrench or two, and done.

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What’s left behind is a carcus that most resembles junk. Guess we’ll have to leave the body armor on it if we sell it down the road.

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Amidst the teardown we realized we’d not yet fit the rear bumper. I’m not liking the body mount gap in the rear. The body mount is necessary to make room to tuck the drivetrain up under a high-clearance belly pan so there’s no avoiding it. The tire carrier does hide it but it’s still fugly. I do kinda like this picture tho. With the tailgate I’m all the way up against the back seat it creates a near illusion.

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As were tearing down I realized that the front bumper will need to be modified before it can go to powder coating…not surprised though not happy either. The Poison Spyder BFH (Built For the Hammers) front bumper cups the end of the frame. Though it looks nice, I’d planned to do a front stretch kit which involves moving forward the front crossmember (tube) about 1-inch. To accomplish I need to install side-plates which makes the frame rails fundamentally 1/8-inch wider on the outside making this bumper no longer fit. The second problem is the power steering box. The stretch kit does rotate the steering box up and out of the way (ground clearance-wise) but it also reverts back to an older style saginaw box which is physically larger and may require the back driver’s side of the bumper to be modified to accommodate it.

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Looks like I’ll need to do the front stretch before this bumper can go to powder coating which means I’ll need to make a special trip early next week. So off the bumper comes, time to prep for the stretch kit/steering box install next.

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Maybe I missed it, but what are the plans for the suspension?

Great work so far, I thought of this thread tonight when I started working on my daughter's first go kart. Looking forward to projects like this down the road.
 
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No tubing bender? Used to love making bumpers and cages about 15 years ago when it was really popular.


I do actually have a tube bender and every die a fabricator could want, I was doing the same as you right about 15 years ago. Built a ton of cages, bumpers, tube fenders, and a chassis or two. This was one of the cooler ones. It was modeled after a Avalanche Engineering’s Contender chassis but was designed to have a Z28 Camaro hood and front end.

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Back in the day I stocked tubing for that next project, maybe even enough to build a full cage, but now-a-days I have none so I’d have to start from scratch. I don’t have a truck or trailer anymore so I’d have to rent or buy enough for them to deliver. “Enough” is more Ryan Is need. Also, buying tubing from suppliers as a one time purchase (or hella infrequently) they gouge the **** out of you. With elevated steel prices and a cash order, is probably pay $7/foot. I’ve been away from it long enough I’d probably be disgusted at how much they get for it now.

I think I talked myself out of bending anything for this Jeep. Buying may be both more cost and time effective. As it is this will likely be a 2 month (or so build).
 

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Maybe I missed it, but what are the plans for the suspension?



Great work so far, I thought of this thread tonight when I started working on my daughter's first go kart. Looking forward to projects like this down the road.


Missed out on building go karts with the kids. Should have but never made time. Think that’s partly due to always having too many projects and letting the ones I had take over. Enjoy, that’s where good quality time is.

Suspension...yeah I’ve been a little tight lipped about it thus far because there’s a back story I planned to tell that explains a little more about why this build means so much to me. All of what I’ve said is true, the build brings with it life lessons for Andrew, him leaning to use tools and trade, develop a stronger pride and ownership of his vehicle, and a huge bonding moment that will hopefully give him life long memories. Why I have not yet shared is that it also gives me an opportunity to give him something that most fathers can’t - his Jeep will have a suspension that I designed many years ago that’s still in production today.

More than a decade ago a partner (Bob Levenhagen) and I founded a company called TNTCustoms. We were two guys who were building jeeps out of our garages who dove head first in a market at a time where the industry had just exploded and much of it was happening in Colorado. Our first product offering was the YLink suspension kit for the Jeep XJ. It features front radius arms which had a bend in them to add ground clearance...actually, the bend was necessary to clear the unibody and pinch seam but we also liked the added ground clearance too. We were the first to market a high-clearance radius arm even though Nth Degree Mobility claimed they were. We built 2 shop XJ’s that showed off what we could do. Here’s what mine looked like.

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One of my favorite shots taken on a wheeling trip. If you look close, the XJ is sporting the original sticker we had printed, maybe like 200 to start, that we shipped with every order.

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The YLink design became our signature part and we made suspension systems for just about every Jeep which featured them. We even made a YJ (square headlight Jeep) coil conversion kit. I remember this trip like it was yesterday. Andrew was maybe 5.

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3 years and some odd number of months after founding the company I decided to sell it to Bob and go back into technology for a variety of reasons. I’ve done a few builds since then but not an all-in build. To me it’s special that my son will be sporting a YLink suspension on his Jeep.

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The kit is very similar to what I used to machine in production runs. Bob has made a few improvements to make assembly easier but even in those revisions I can still see the elements I first created in CAD all those years ago.

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Other than having a personal history with TNT, there are some fairly significant reasons that TNT is the only suspension I’d run on my sons LJ and some of those reasons are truly market differentiators.

...and yes, I did buy it, this is not a paid for advertisement.
 

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Enjoying Stage One...Can't wait for Stage Two. Great companies Poison Spyder and TNT. Whats your plan for a cage.Sub'd
 

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Awesome story Matt and I love it when a build has more personal influence than merely throwing parts at it. It gives the car a "soul" if you will or character.
 

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Cool to hear on the company and bending stuff
15 years ago I could make anything with a tape measure, and Angle finder, my eye and my bender. Now I keep just enough tube in stock to do an occasional part of a cage, slider or bumper just so I don’t completely loose the skill set.
Envy your equipment, at 35 I’m almost to the point of having most of that stuff, but finding the time to use it all for my own fab work is hard because I’m too busy doing paying jobs to fund it all.
Congrats
 

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Cool to hear on the company and bending stuff
15 years ago I could make anything with a tape measure, and Angle finder, my eye and my bender. Now I keep just enough tube in stock to do an occasional part of a cage, slider or bumper just so I don’t completely loose the skill set.
Envy your equipment, at 35 I’m almost to the point of having most of that stuff, but finding the time to use it all for my own fab work is hard because I’m too busy doing paying jobs to fund it all.
Congrats

Keep at it and you'll get there on equipment.

I started the same way by doing side work to support my racing and tool addiction. My thoughts were just until I get the tools and equipment then I would stop taking on side jobs. After 30+ years I think I am finally there as I dissolved my business and mainly work on my own stuff, although I will occasionally take on a side job for a friend if I have time and something I want to work on.

It's nice to finally be to the point where you don't need to be at other's beckon call and can actually enjoy working on your personal projects rather than feeling rushed because you need to get back to the paying jobs so keep at it and you'll get there but it takes time.
 

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Keep at it and you'll get there on equipment.

I started the same way by doing side work to support my racing and tool addiction. My thoughts were just until I get the tools and equipment then I would stop taking on side jobs. After 30+ years I think I am finally there as I dissolved my business and mainly work on my own stuff, although I will occasionally take on a side job for a friend if I have time and something

I know but the struggles real with time management. 50 hour day job, plus maintaining the side business to keep up with its expenses is brutal. Redid the bearings in a Dana 80 f350 axle last night. Hard work for the money but it pays for the business expenses and new tools! 3 times in and out with the pinion for Preload and luckily only twice with a stupid heavy trac lock assembly for proper backlash. I want to work on the Dana 35’s again!
 

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I know but the struggles real with time management. 50 hour day job, plus maintaining the side business to keep up with its expenses is brutal. Redid the bearings in a Dana 80 f350 axle last night. Hard work for the money but it pays for the business expenses and new tools! 3 times in and out with the pinion for Preload and luckily only twice with a stupid heavy trac lock assembly for proper backlash. I want to work on the Dana 35’s again!

I hear ya with the time management. I did it for those 30+ years after my 10-hour workday usually closing up shop around 10:00pm-midnight then start all over again at 4:30am to be to work @ 5:30am. Kid's ball games and family functions all stuffed in the middle and trying to find time to keep up on our personal vehicles and race cars/toys but I am thankful those long *** days are behind me now as I don't think I could go back to them.
 
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I know but the struggles real with time management. ... Hard work for the money but it pays for the business expenses and new tools!



I hear ya with the time management. I did it for those 30+ years after my 10-hour workday usually closing up shop around 10:00pm-midnight then start all over again at 4:30am to be to work @ 5:30am. Kid's ball games and family functions all stuffed in the middle and trying to find time to keep up on our personal vehicles and race cars/toys but I am thankful those long *** days are behind me now as I don't think I could go back to them.


I’ve never worked harder than I did for myself. Many days I ran the machines until late in the night only to return early in the morning the following day. In between it was prepping for a trail run or finding parts I needed for my next or current build. For me it all became work and it didn’t pay well...but plenty of life lessons if did provide. Also glad those days are behind me.
 
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Got a call and our tires are in so we headed out to 4WheelParts to pick them up. As always, we had to rent a truck.

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After seeing them in person, I think most people would need to rent a box truck to get them home. That’s a whole lot of tires.

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We did get 5. Can’t wait to watch Andrew try to load a 40” spare onto the tire carrier himself.

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40x13.5x17 radials. Other choices were bias and race compound in the same size. Still can’t believe you buy race compound and that peeps would even want bias.

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To put things in perspective - my Jeep has 37-inch tall tires. The 40 Maxxis is a monster.

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Maybe we should put them on my Jeep instead?

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Mounted and mocked up. Approx 3” of lift. We’re now targeting 4”.

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And cut out the exhaust in prep for the suspension install (hopefully this weekend). The exhaust was “custom”. True mandrel bends and whatnot.

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That exhaust is savage. Looks like someone **** on that reducer (?) joint.


Or there’s **** flowing from it. Funny thing - the exhaust had no leaks. Guess it supports the theory that a good looking weld isn’t necessarily a good weld and vise-versa. Lol
 

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And cut out the exhaust in prep for the suspension install (hopefully this weekend). The exhaust was “custom”. True mandrel bends and whatnot.

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Good on you for being willing to share pics of your welds. :lol_hitti
 

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A few years back, some Mopar special vehicle guys built a no-lift wrangler with 40's that I remember seeing in a magazine. I always loved the idea of a "low" SUV with huge tires. Looks mean.
 

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40x13.5x17 radials. Other choices were bias and race compound in the same size. Still can’t believe you buy race compound and that peeps would even want bias.

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Bias is still popular on a truck (or buggy) that sees a much higher % offroad than on.

I remember packing 5 x 42" Pit Bull Rockers (bias) in the back of a Ford ranger once. Pretty sure those tires weighed more than the truck.

Liking the build, I have been considering trying to build a streetable, but still capable, Jeep for a while now. :thumbup:
 

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A few years back, some Mopar special vehicle guys built a no-lift wrangler with 40's that I remember seeing in a magazine. I always loved the idea of a "low" SUV with huge tires. Looks mean.

Totally agree. One of my good friends used to have a 1st gen 4Runner on 37's with zero lift. Luckily we live in Iowa so cutting away the rusty fenders to clear those tires actually made the rig look better. I still regret not buying that rig from him when he moved out to Colorado (to work as a tech at Slee, of course).
 

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Holy **** Matt, 40's. I guess I didn't realize that's what you were going on your son's LJ. Are you sticking with the D44's that are under it?

Also, on a side note, how are your Nitto Ridge Grapplers working for you? How many miles on them and have you had a chance to get them off-road much and if so, how do you like them? I've been impressed so far with mine and I've had them in about every situation other than mud, which I absolutely despise. I also haven't had them on the mountain passes in Colorado, yet.
 
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zkdiesel said:
Limited out up travel or actually going to have the clearance with the body mods to fit them well? Looks good

I had originally wanted to run about 2 1/2" of lift on this LJ but there are a couple of constraints that will likely push us up to the 4" springs.
  1. Clearance at the oil pain - We chose to run a 1350 front yolk to better handle the tire/wheel and Dana 60 combo. That yoke is just big enough that it needs additional room to keep it out of the oil pan
  2. Clearance at the radiator - the Dana 30 that came in the jeep stock was already close to the radiator. The increased size of the Dana 60 makes it even closer. Without gaining some additional height, we'd have to constrain up-travel considerably...even more so than it already was with the Dana 30.
  3. Wheel wheel opening - we've upgraded to the Poison Spyder highline fenders and corners which were designed after the custom ones made for Poison Spyder's Daddy Long Leg build which have wheel well openings that support up to a 40" tire. With the larger wheel openings, and wider than stock axles, we should have more than enough clearance there but, without enough lift, we'd need to limit.

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Totally agree. One of my good friends used to have a 1st gen 4Runner on 37's with zero lift. Luckily we live in Iowa so cutting away the rusty fenders to clear those tires actually made the rig look better. I still regret not buying that rig from him when he moved out to Colorado (to work as a tech at Slee, of course).

Can't get away with zero lift. I think the 40's would be on the bumps at zero lift. I know that because with the 2 1/2" it has now, it has just barely 3" of up-travel. That being said, I think I'd have enough wheel well to run near zero...

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Holy **** Matt, 40's. I guess I didn't realize that's what you were going on your son's LJ. Are you sticking with the D44's that are under it?
I've always wanted a jeep on 40's and this one I think is the perfect one to try them on. They are big...bigger than I thought they'd be. To see a tire dwarf my JK's 37's wasn't exactly expected. The stock diffs wouldn't last long with those meats. We're replacing them with a set of Dynatrac 60's. Long-term plan is to put an LS in to help persuade this thing down the road so I figured I'd just do it once right (aka get it out of the way).

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Also, on a side note, how are your Nitto Ridge Grapplers working for you? How many miles on them and have you had a chance to get them off-road much and if so, how do you like them? I've been impressed so far with mine and I've had them in about every situation other than mud, which I absolutely despise. I also haven't had them on the mountain passes in Colorado, yet.
I absolutely love my Grapplers. They're quite, wear well, and have performed extremely well everywhere I've gone with them (I too don't like mud so I have no experience there). We went wheeling a half dozen times last year and they did a good job. We ran about 15 PSI if memory serves. The trails weren't too technical but I'd say they had a good sample of things you'd see everywhere. Most importantly, they do very well on the road. I think they're the most quite and road friendly tire I've had on a Jeep. I was disappointed to find out they don't make them in 40's. If they had, we'd be putting a set on the LJ.
 

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...Can't get away with zero lift. I think the 40's would be on the bumps at zero lift. I know that because with the 2 1/2" it has now, it has just barely 3" of up-travel. That being said, I think I'd have enough wheel well to run near zero...

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't suggesting you change course at all, I was just agreeing with Mike's comment about big tires on unlifted vehicles looking cool. I'm certain you've done the homework, which is something I thoroughly enjoy about following your build threads.

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I should also add that anyone who may have read my comment about fitting 37's on an unlifted 4Runner may have to do more work than just cutting fenders and slapping on the tires. My buddy Brian is a wizard at that sort of thing, so while he may not have lifted his rig, he more than likely made some modifications to the suspension and geometry that I was oblivious to.
 

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I absolutely love my Grapplers. They're quite, wear well, and have performed extremely well everywhere I've gone with them (I too don't like mud so I have no experience there). We went wheeling a half dozen times last year and they did a good job. We ran about 15 PSI if memory serves. The trails weren't too technical but I'd say they had a good sample of things you'd see everywhere. Most importantly, they do very well on the road. I think they're the most quite and road friendly tire I've had on a Jeep. I was disappointed to find out they don't make them in 40's. If they had, we'd be putting a set on the LJ.

Dana 60's for those 40's would be perfect, I think 37's are about the max on a Dana 44 and for those with a heavy foot and wheel aggressive the Dana 44 may not be stout enough for 37's. I didn't realize you had a Dana 30 under the LJ, for some reason I thought it was the Rubicon model. Sorry it I missed that earlier but I was curious as to what you were planning axle wise.

Thanks for the feedback on the Ridge Grapplers, pretty much mirrors my experience as well. Although, if I'm being perfectly honest I think the KO2's had the edge on snow covered pavement traction and handling but only by a small margin as these handle great and we had a lot of that white stuff here to really test them out this past winter.:mad:

I would also have to give the KO2's the nod as far as audible noise on the pavement. There is a very (and I mean very) subtle tire howl if I have the top back, windows down and radio off but my wife says she can't hear it so it is so minor I really shouldn't count it.

When I had it in Moab I played with my pressures and I think I'm liking around 12~ish for overall traction and comfort off-road. They grip very well on the slickrock but also on the rocks around here locally as well. I should be able to report back on the Colorado trails in the future. Those trails are also a good test because the shelf roads have a lot of gravel, mine tailings, dirt and even shale type rocks that have a tendency to be hard to get traction on when climbing. Another thing I've found on the SW Colorado trails is the amount of rain we generally see there when visiting it changes the terrain enough that some tires seem to do better than others so I am anxious to see if these are the overall good tire that the KO2 was, although I had some issues with the KO2's being a little harder compound (which I am certain was for wear characteristics) and it affected traction on some obstacles as they wouldn't grip the rocks quite as good as my mud-terrains and seemed to have to hunt for traction as times. Even letting them spin a little to warm up didn't really seem to help that much.

Right now I am sitting just over 8k miles on my Ridge Grapplers and so far I am extremely happy with them as an overall on/off-road tire. Colorado and then overall longevity will be determining factors but so far I could see running these again as I am very pleased with them.
 
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Don't get me wrong, I wasn't suggesting you change course at all, I was just agreeing with Mike's comment about big tires on unlifted vehicles looking cool. I'm certain you've done the homework, which is something I thoroughly enjoy about following your build threads.


I didn’t take it as you suggesting, I had planned on running only 2 1/2” of lift. I was sharing my realization that there’s no way without being heavy into my bump stops frequently. If I could, I would probably do zero. I really like the slammed look and on the trail it’s fantastic for climbing and not a big deal for rocks if you have big tires and high clearance axles.

Something like this - (edit: I’d bet its 2” or more axle to frame rails, not zero)

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I should also add that anyone who may have read my comment about fitting 37's on an unlifted 4Runner may have to do more work than just cutting fenders and slapping on the tires. My buddy Brian is a wizard at that sort of thing, so while he may not have lifted his rig, he more than likely made some modifications to the suspension and geometry that I was oblivious to.

I expected that kinda. Taco wheel wells are super small. You’d have to cut the piss out of them to have a 6” lift and 35’s. At zero, you’re probably cutting into the cab.
 

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Here’s the old steering box. After a little education, I learned that this is a Mercedes box which they put only in the 2003 - 2006 Wranglers. I think the Daimler/Chrysler merge happened around this time but I have no idea why they decided to change out a known working thing. The previous box was a saginaw which was used in just about every 4 wheel drive I’ve worked on dating back to the 70’s. Regardless, bad idea, it’s going away.

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Here’s a walk trough of the stretch kit and how it works. This is a shot of the drivers side stock frame rail. The factory (crappy) steering box attaches with 3 bolts. One goes through the frame and the other two go through that scabbed on box-looking thingy.

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A pair of side-plates with holes to locate the new thru-frame sleeves are welded on sandwiching the frame rail.

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The side-plates also locate the new cross-member tube which is smaller and shifts as far as possible forward to help make room for the box to rotate up.

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Here’s the difference between the old and new cross-member tubes. The factory tube has a D-shaped end which requires custom sleeves for aftermarket sway bars. This new DOM tube is smaller, stronger, takes up much less space, and uses a much easier to machine bushing for the sway bar.

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The bulky body mount comes out with the cross-member and a newer more trim version is welded in to replace it. The kit came with two different versions so I have to choose: (1) I can delete the 1” body mount at the grill and used the raised mount or (2) I can install the stock mount and retain the body lift bushing. I wait to make this decision until the very last. I may need the room the body mount offers.

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Start by removing the power steering lines to the box.

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Catch as much of the fluid as possible

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Pull the steering box bolts so that I can rotate it out of the way. I’ll leave it hooked up for now so I don’t need to worry about the steering wheel losing center (though I’m not sure it matters).

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I try to keep on hand a variety of discs (grinding, cut-off, and flapper) in a variety of sizes for the various tools necessary to metal work. This drawer had become somewhat bare in recent years given how little metal fabrication I’d been doing. In prep for this project I’d recently replenished so there’d be nothing left to want in the moment (and more importantly cause me to have to go the store).

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Now to remove the steering box bracket/box thing hanging off the bottom of the frame. I start by slicing down into the welds on either side until I’m mostly through the weld. I keep the cuts shallow as to not cut into the frame itself.

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An air hammer with a weld shear bit splits/fractures whats left of the welds and the bracket nearly falls off in my hands leaving only traces of the welds that once held it on.

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The manufacturer uses thru-sleeves to give a solid but light weight mounting point. Remember this for later as this them reoccurs in a few if the aftermarket parts I’ll be installing.

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Mini-flapper disk on a right angle grinder makes quick work of what was left behind. Historically I used flapper discs on a 4 1/2-inch angle grinder for tasks like this but ever since finding these 3” flapper discs the angle grinder is my go to for basic clean up.

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Now I need to clean up the remaining nonsense protruding from the outside of both frame rails so I can take some reference measurements for width and angle.

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I do that by first trimming off as much as I can with my sawzall. Though it seems like a barbaric tool, it can be used for precision work with a little practice. The remaining protrusion is then ground down and sanded smooth.

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With both sides flat, I can now take reference measurements. I start by getting the frame level. A little trick here - a frame is neither square nor level. The manufacture does all kinds of **** to make a car look like it’s sitting level but precision the frame is not. If the vehicle sits level (and this one did) then all you need to do is make it the same as it was. To help, I jack up the frame until the cross-member is zero’d out and level.

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Then take measurements on either side of the frame noting 3 different spots. With these measurements I’ll know if the rails are splaying out, in, etc and will have an opportunity to compensate before everything gets welded together.

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Next to deal with the cross-member but first I need to make sure that the weight of the engine doesn’t splay out the frame rails after it’s removed. To prevent that, I’ll heavy tack-weld an angle iron across the rails below the radiator.

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With this temporary brace in place, surgery can start.

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The fastest and cleanest way to remove the crossmember is with a sawzall but the flexible blade can make precision work difficult if you’re starting on a weld. To create a starting groove, I use a cutoff wheel on the 4 1/2” grinder and grind a groove maybe 1/8” inside the frame rails for bandsaw blade to track in.

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Then, I make a wild cut a few inches in to remove the bulk of the crossmember. With this out of the way I’ll have visibility inside the tube as I cut next to the frame rails. This will allow me to get as close as possible without actually cutting into the rail itself.

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Now it’s time to be precise. The blade is just barely long enough to make it all the way through on the retraction stroke.

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It took me a bit to trim them off. I had to cut through the tube and upper and lower half moon gussets. Sawzall manages just fine and the blade is still good for another job down the road.

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Ready for the stretch kit.

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I try to keep on hand a variety of discs (grinding, cut-off, and flapper) in a variety of sizes for the various tools necessary to metal work. This drawer had become somewhat bare in recent years given how little metal fabrication I’d been doing. In prep for this project I’d recently replenished so there’d be nothing left to want in the moment (and more importantly cause me to have to go the store).

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I'm working on something similar today. Jeep is looking good and like a great experience with your son! I'm not a 4x4 guy, but this has me thinking! Thanks for sharing the process with us!
 

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Awesome work as usual Matt.

That is going to be an awesome build. Looks like you will have minimal up-travel, possibly only a couple to three inches. What kind of droop are you going to have? Around 8~ish or so?
 
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