Face shields, mesh shields , PPE for grinding

[alan camby]

I have been trying to use a face shield when using my angle grinder and knife grinder. Do most of you use a face shield or just safety glasses? Do you wear a disposable respirator? I find that I get some painful hot sparks on my face from time to time when only using safety glasses.

I am sure anyone who wears a respirator and a faceshield has experienced fog.
Well I just started using a Steel Mesh face shield. These don't have the typical Clear lens that will fog and scratch. They will not block liquids, chemicals, and UV light. They do block some light so have a slight sun glasses affect. These mesh shields seem to be popular with chainsaw users.

My worry is, should I trust a mesh only, with disposable respirator, when grinding? They are Z87 rated but are not Z87+ . the plus seems to be more for high speed impact rating. I could wear safety glasses under the mesh but then I will be fighting fog again.

Just putting this out there and curious if others have tried mesh with metal grinding?

this is the brand that I have. Don't think it is the same model though.
http://www.pyramexsafety.com/S1060

thanks,

 

[Wamsutta]

My experience with fog is that it's caused by soap residue. I use the same LCD screen cleaner and micro fiber cloth on my safety glasses that I use on my computer. No fog ever.

The face shield will save your face if your grinding wheel explodes and embeds debris into you facial nerves causing paralysis of your facial muscles. I don't wear one but I should.

 

[Lelandwelds]

I have been trying to use a face shield when using my angle grinder and knife grinder. Do most of you use a face shield or just safety glasses? Do you wear a disposable respirator? I find that I get some painful hot sparks on my face from time to time when only using safety glasses.

I am sure anyone who wears a respirator and a faceshield has experienced fog.
Well I just started using a Steel Mesh face shield. These don't have the typical Clear lens that will fog and scratch. They will not block liquids, chemicals, and UV light. They do block some light so have a slight sun glasses affect. These mesh shields seem to be popular with chainsaw users.

My worry is, should I trust a mesh only, with disposable respirator, when grinding? They are Z87 rated but are not Z87+ . the plus seems to be more for high speed impact rating. I could wear safety glasses under the mesh but then I will be fighting fog again.

Just putting this out there and curious if others have tried mesh with metal grinding?

this is the brand that I have. Don't think it is the same model though.
http://www.pyramexsafety.com/S1060

thanks,

You wear a respirator when you grind steel? Is it coated in something? Safety glasses are an automatic thing. I have had vitrified stuff get scary when it comes apart but bonded stuff has glass reinforcing. I sometimes wear a visor when wire brushing. Some chunk more wires than others.

I suggest you worry about your hearing.

 

[PCustoms]

Depends what I am doing

Always glasses and ear protection. Anything dirty or more then a quick touch i wear a respirate with proper cartridges, between metal dust and vaporized fumes you'd be shocked how bad your lungs take it.

Occasionally wear a face shield, need to order a nicer one so i wear it more.

Save the mesh for yard work (and wear glasses under it), they aren't made to stop fine debris, just wood chips.

 

[old__man]

Ditch the disposable respirator and get something like a 3M half-face that exhausts downwards.

 

[marineman]

I generally wear a shirt with a pocket, long time a go an Ironworker taught me to always keep a good sized magnet in my pocket. I don't know if it actually helps or not but I go with a magnet in the pocket and glasses and get the job done.

 

[cvairwerks]

My regular glasses are z87-2 rated. If I'm sanding, or using a grinding stone that's it other than dust mask, unless I'm outside. Everything else gets a face shield on top of that. The screen ones are designed for large chips, not small particles.

 

[wkndwarrior29]

You should be wearing glasses or goggles under that shield. This is what I use:

https://www.discountsafetygear.com/jatshclvi.html


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[Floridaboy]

Safety glasses all the time I even weld other them under my helmet. Now foggy helmets and shields is some thing you will deal with. Just make sure your not breathing out your mouth and use your nose. It helped me a ton.


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[alan camby]

You wear a respirator when you grind steel? Is it coated in something? Safety glasses are an automatic thing. I have had vitrified stuff get scary when it comes apart but bonded stuff has glass reinforcing. I sometimes wear a visor when wire brushing. Some chunk more wires than others.

I suggest you worry about your hearing.

It's not so much the steel but the dust of the abrasives. The dust in the air is a big concern of mine. Not so much that days work but the accumulation of years of work.
I always wear hearing protection btw. I like the corded earplugs so I don't loose one.

If I am going to be grinding for more than 30 seconds or so, I have my green cotton welding jacket on. In the summer it might just be green welders sleeves and one of my many white tee shirts with burn holes all over.

I spend most of my time in the shop wearing one of those ridiculous looking welding hats. My go to hat has army trucks all over it.

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[cvairwerks]

I spend most of my time in the shop wearing one of those ridiculous looking welding hats. My go to hat has army trucks all over it.

Little hard on the head and neck with all that weight on there isn't it?

 

[alan camby]

You should be wearing glasses or goggles under that shield. This is what I use:

https://www.discountsafetygear.com/jatshclvi.html


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I am starting to see a trend in my research that most wear glasses under a shield.

I had one of those blue masks for awhile. Maybe my nose is weird but it kept bruising my nose where it made contact.
Ended up giving it away to a friend. They are mandatory in maintenance at one of the factories that I go in. If they are using shop equipment, they have to wear one.

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[wkndwarrior29]

I am starting to see a trend in my research that most wear glasses under a shield.

I had one of those blue masks for awhile. Maybe my nose is weird but it kept bruising my nose where it made contact.
Ended up giving it away to a friend. They are mandatory in maintenance at one of the factories that I go in. If they are using shop equipment, they have to wear one.

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Alan - it is a standard in most industries. Maybe try some different versions? I bought them through Zoro with a coupon for around $10 each. Someone that I work with was wearing a shield like you shared and got an infection from grinder dust in their eye....

 

[crewchief888]

pair of glasses when i'm sanding, grinding or drilling.

occasionally a full face shield, i wear a dust mask when i'm grinding or wire wheeling on rusty stuff.

i usually wear an old long sleeve work shirt, and have several FRC green/orange jackets and pants laying around

 

[Voi]

I could wear safety glasses under the mesh but then I will be fighting fog again.

Just putting this out there and curious if others have tried mesh with metal grinding?

I have the same issue with fog, even with either of my 3m respirators. I think in part because I don't get a great seal around the bridge of my nose and some of the air I exhale is directed upwards and fogs up my glasses.

I've thought about trying to find a full face shield that is spaced further away from my face. Not only to leave room for a respirator but also hoping there is more room for the moisture from my breath to dissipate.

I'm not able to offer a solution other than to say if you do try the respirator route shop carefully for one that seals well on your face. Subscribed for more comments. I've been procrastinating on my kayak trailer project for this reason.

 

[619DioFan]

I had a close call years ago while using a bench grinder. a wire came of the wheel and made it past my safety glasses and stuck in my face right at the tear duct ( almost in my eye ) since then I always wear both safety glasses and a face shield ( the clear type ) and ear protection. when using the lawn mower or other outdoor power equipment I wear safety glasses and a hardhat that has built in ear protection and a wire mesh type face shield.

 

[alan camby]

I had a close call years ago while using a bench grinder. a wire came of the wheel and made it past my safety glasses and stuck in my face right at the tear duct ( almost in my eye ) since then I always wear both safety glasses and a face shield ( the clear type ) and ear protection. when using the lawn mower or other outdoor power equipment I wear safety glasses and a hardhat that has built in ear protection and a wire mesh type face shield.

Wow glad you didn't loose your eye.

I always wear safety sunglasses when mowing. Also always have earplug, hat, and disposable respirator. The respirator is due to my bad allergies.

I see people all the time using a weed eater without glasses. That is just asking to loose a eye.

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[sberry]

You should wear both, dust mask, glasses,and a shield. I am bad,,,, but wear glasses and I have been at this so long I rarely get hit with anything. I use shields on the tools and blow the dross away, it's a habit I rarely even think about but am super conscientious about which direction it goes. Same for blowing it all over tools in the shop, it's a habit to direct it to the floor away from stuff.
When I started it was a problem, used to back myself in corners, learned to make it easy.

 

[ItsNemo]

I am starting to see a trend in my research that most wear glasses under a shield.

I had one of those blue masks for awhile. Maybe my nose is weird but it kept bruising my nose where it made contact.
Ended up giving it away to a friend. They are mandatory in maintenance at one of the factories that I go in. If they are using shop equipment, they have to wear one.

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Have you tried the 3m 7500? They're the most comfortable by far.

Rather than glasses, if I'm doing something serious I put on the goggles that seal to the face. Otherwise, glasses (various), face shield (uvex bionic), gloves, dust masks, respirator, etc.

What I'd really like to get is a full face respirator but haven't taken the leap to go find one yet...iffy if I want to risk buying a $150-300 mask online and not having it fit.

 

[alan camby]

Have you tried the 3m 7500? They're the most comfortable by far.

Rather than glasses, if I'm doing something serious I put on the goggles that seal to the face. Otherwise, glasses (various), face shield (uvex bionic), gloves, dust masks, respirator, etc.

What I'd really like to get is a full face respirator but haven't taken the leap to go find one yet...iffy if I want to risk buying a $150-300 mask online and not having it fit.

I have not.
I use 3m 9105 v-flex disposables for grinding and mowing. They are fairly comfortable and I have worn quite a few I hate. The worst are the ones where they staple the rubber band to the mask. The staple is them against your face. Stupid design. I would not want to wear the v-flex all day but I don't have to grind all day.

I use Gerson cheap organic respirators for painting. You use them a few times then throw them away. It looks similar to the 3m you listed. I am sure it is no where near as comfortable. If I had to wear one all day I would buy something better. I have a hookup for the Gerson.

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[alan camby]

I have not.
I use 3m 9105 v-flex disposables for grinding and mowing. They are fairly comfortable and I have worn quite a few I hate. The worst are the ones where they staple the rubber band to the mask. The staple is them against your face. Stupid design. I would not want to wear the v-flex all day but I don't have to grind all day.

I use Gerson cheap organic respirators for painting. You use them a few times then throw them away. It looks similar to the 3m you listed. I am sure it is no where near as comfortable. If I had to wear one all day I would buy something better. I have a hookup for the Gerson.

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The 9105 v-flex are usa made, 3m brand, and only cost about $.50 per mask.
I see that Zoro has them. They want $25.97 for a pack of 50. I go through about one pack per year.

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[ItsNemo]

I have not.
I use 3m 9105 v-flex disposables for grinding and mowing. They are fairly comfortable and I have worn quite a few I hate. The worst are the ones where they staple the rubber band to the mask. The staple is them against your face. Stupid design. I would not want to wear the v-flex all day but I don't have to grind all day.

I use Gerson cheap organic respirators for painting. You use them a few times then throw them away. It looks similar to the 3m you listed. I am sure it is no where near as comfortable. If I had to wear one all day I would buy something better. I have a hookup for the Gerson.

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Order one, they're ~$30 on amazon and last forever....you just swap out filters now and then and have choices of filters for dust, painting, chemicals, etc. The 2097's and 2297's are the best for dusty work.

 

[6PTsocket]

I have been trying to use a face shield when using my angle grinder and knife grinder. Do most of you use a face shield or just safety glasses? Do you wear a disposable respirator? I find that I get some painful hot sparks on my face from time to time when only using safety glasses.

I am sure anyone who wears a respirator and a faceshield has experienced fog.
Well I just started using a Steel Mesh face shield. These don't have the typical Clear lens that will fog and scratch. They will not block liquids, chemicals, and UV light. They do block some light so have a slight sun glasses affect. These mesh shields seem to be popular with chainsaw users.

My worry is, should I trust a mesh only, with disposable respirator, when grinding? They are Z87 rated but are not Z87+ . the plus seems to be more for high speed impact rating. I could wear safety glasses under the mesh but then I will be fighting fog again.

Just putting this out there and curious if others have tried mesh with metal grinding?

this is the brand that I have. Don't think it is the same model though.
http://www.pyramexsafety.com/S1060

thanks,

Those mesh shields are usually sold to guys running a chain saw and are designed to stop relatively large wood chips. Working outdoors in the winter and breathing on a plastic shield would cause major condensation issues.

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[6PTsocket]

My experience with fog is that it's caused by soap residue. I use the same LCD screen cleaner and micro fiber cloth on my safety glasses that I use on my computer. No fog ever.

The face shield will save your face if your grinding wheel explodes and embeds debris into you facial nerves causing paralysis of your facial muscles. I don't wear one but I should.

I was using a cutoff wheel in the garage, with a face shield. I did not notice anything until I took it off. The shield had a big impact shatter mark right in front of my face. It was so close that I did not focus on it when wearing the shield, like scratches on eyeglasses. Wear eye protection !!

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[6PTsocket]

Depends what I am doing

Always glasses and ear protection. Anything dirty or more then a quick touch i wear a respirate with proper cartridges, between metal dust and vaporized fumes you'd be shocked how bad your lungs take it.

Occasionally wear a face shield, need to order a nicer one so i wear it more.

Save the mesh for yard work (and wear glasses under it), they aren't made to stop fine debris, just wood chips.

The Western Safety face shield from HF is quite decent, inexpensive and meets ANSI specs.

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[tarbellb]

Definitely upgrade your respriator, that will make the biggest difference in fogging.

Disposable ones are terrible imo.

I wear this daily, sometimes for hours, comfy, cheap, effective, and close enough to my face that I can wear my welding hood or full face shield no problem.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FTEDMM/?tag=atomicindus08-20

A excellent full face is the Uvex Bionic -

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001VXXUWK/?tag=atomicindus08-20

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I just got done with a job that required 50+ 6" cutting disc... lots of grinding / cutting to say the least.

The setup was 3M 7000 series respirator, safety glasses, full face shield, and ear protection (ear plug headphones). Cut like that for hours at a time.

 

[pcmeiners]

A bit paranoid but I use a full face shield. Few years back I had a 8" wheel breakup, spat a chunk of wheel out to the right of me... scared the **** out of me. Before that I took my chances, not anymore.

 

[gahrajmahal]

I wear the respirator Tarbellb refers to also. The one rated for lead and mold. It stops the fumes from spray cans pretty good also. I have a full face with supplied air for spraying two part epoxy car paints. It's heavy but works well.

 

[mooman]

I was using a cutoff wheel in the garage, with a face shield. I did not notice anything until I took it off. The shield had a big impact shatter mark right in front of my face. It was so close that I did not focus on it when wearing the shield, like scratches on eyeglasses. Wear eye protection !!

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Sounds like you weren’t using the correct guard in the grinder to start with. Good for you for wearing your face shield.


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[alan camby]

Not trying to change the subject. Just saw this on FB "garage goals" page.
Anyone have facial hair like this and wear some kind of respirator?

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[Bunk]

Definitely upgrade your respriator, that will make the biggest difference in fogging....
The setup was 3M 7000 series respirator, safety glasses, full face shield, and ear protection (ear plug headphones). Cut like that for hours at a time.

That's my setup as well.

 

[Lelandwelds]

Not trying to change the subject. Just saw this on FB "garage goals" page.
Anyone have facial hair like this and wear some kind of respirator?

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Ouch! I bet that woke him up! I caught a shirt tail in a 7" grinder with a wire cup once. It trapped both hands and the grinder underneath my chin. The trigger was locked. 15 amp grinders do not stall. Wrangler denim does not rip. I was working alone.

I stumbled away until I pulled the cord in two and still couldn't get loose. I ended up with a nasty line of hickies up my belly and chest.

I am terrified of lathes.

 

[PCustoms]

Not trying to change the subject. Just saw this on FB "garage goals" page.
Anyone have facial hair like this and wear some kind of respirator?

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No way a respirator will properly seal with a beard like that.

In fact I'm shaving my 1/2" beard to bare skin tonight, git a couple days of welding coming up this week, followed by some painting, followed by a lot of drywall. My lungs are important to me!

 

[BDT/NWMN]

I personally knew three men who lost eyes or eyesight due to incidents with grinders, and often witness someone with a pair of """sunglasses""" using an improperly shielded cutoff wheel or grinding disc. The safety of coworkers and bystanders is often disregarded, and anyone in the area stands a chance of injury if/when a grinding disc or cutoff wheel explodes. I simply leave the work area; as I can't fix stupid.

When using this equipment Myself, the proper shields are in place, and I wear full safety gear.
Bystanders are not allowed.

 

[wolf_from_wv]

Wow glad you didn't loose your eye.

I always wear safety sunglasses when mowing. Also always have earplug, hat, and disposable respirator. The respirator is due to my bad allergies.

I see people all the time using a weed eater without glasses. That is just asking to loose a eye.

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Grass cutting: boots, pants, ear plugs, hat

Weed eating: boots, pants, ear plugs, face shield, bandanna, hat interferes with face shielf

Never understood people weed eating or cutting grass in shorts and flip flops

 

[Hilltopmasonry]

I have been trying to use a face shield when using my angle grinder and knife grinder. Do most of you use a face shield or just safety glasses? Do you wear a disposable respirator? I find that I get some painful hot sparks on my face from time to time when only using safety glasses.



I am sure anyone who wears a respirator and a faceshield has experienced fog.

Well I just started using a Steel Mesh face shield. These don't have the typical Clear lens that will fog and scratch. They will not block liquids, chemicals, and UV light. They do block some light so have a slight sun glasses affect. These mesh shields seem to be popular with chainsaw users.



My worry is, should I trust a mesh only, with disposable respirator, when grinding? They are Z87 rated but are not Z87+ . the plus seems to be more for high speed impact rating. I could wear safety glasses under the mesh but then I will be fighting fog again.



Just putting this out there and curious if others have tried mesh with metal grinding?



this is the brand that I have. Don't think it is the same model though.

http://www.pyramexsafety.com/S1060



thanks,

Being a mason and cutting with a concrete saw and grinding out mortar with a grinder I like the metal mesh screens because of the dust. With traditional plastic all that it takes is a couple rubs to clear dust off and the plastic is so scratched you cant see out of them. I use the metal screen and either goggles or glasses depending on what I am doing. It is nice they don’t fog up as well

The mesh is good to stop chunks or larger stuff like a grinder wheel exploding but obviously has limited success with smaller “sparks” therefore having goggles on as well to protect the eyes



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