Failed the "water drop" test in a few problem areas. :(

[Dave88LX]

The floor was very thoroughly washed, washed, degreased, washed, acid etched, washed, scrubbed, washed, and rinsed. The majority of the floor is fine, minus a few select areas where some type of oil had puddled for too long by the previous homeowner.

Suggestions? The areas are fairly large. There are 4 of them roughly 2 feet in diameter.

 

[Dave88LX]

Here's a video in case anyone new is wondering what it's NOT supposed to do.

 

[thegarageguy]

This is the reason you should diamond grind or shotblast. Guaranteed results!! Acid etching is very inconsistant. This just proves it.

 

[Dave88LX]

Does shot blasting or diamond grinding do anything for oil-soaked concrete though? I mean, if the oil's already in the concrete...

I is confrused...

BTW I did call the entire Baltimore and surrounding area and couldn't locate a shot blaster.

 

[thegarageguy]

just saw the video. oops! thought it was a sealer that wasnt removed or something.

Try these 2 tricks.....

1. Pour laquer thinner and let it soak for a couple of minutes. The oil should start to pull up.
Do not rub but rather pat-wipe dry. Try your water test again.

2. take a torch to it, again the oil should start bubbling up and burn. I'd then pour some laquer to it.

Let me know how that works for you.

 

[edboyles]

Pour mineral spirits in the air and then place oil on for several days and work the oil dry into the concrete with your feet. The solvent/oil dry combination will leach the oil out of the floor.......

 

[WolverineCoatings]

Have you consulted with the manufacturer of the product you intend to apply? What did they say?

 

[Dave88LX]

Well, I tried the mapp gas torch trick in a couple other spots, and concrete started flying around from moisture pockets. I need to fill in those pockets now. I think I need to torch the whole floor anyways to burn up the fibers right?

I will try the lacquer thinner and report back with the results. If I can avoid having to wet the whole floor again I would love it. That thing's a mutha to squegee off.

 

[Dave88LX]

Have you consulted with the manufacturer of the product you intend to apply? What did they say?

What do you recommend? I've been talking with Fred @ Alpha Garage about going with your product.

 

[Dave88LX]

Just for reference...here's what I'm dealing with.

 

[thegarageguy]

Your dilema is not uncommon. I've been doing the laquer thing for years. This floor is 4 years old and looks as good as the day we installed it.

As for having to burn off the fiberglass hairs, just chip it and you should be fine.

 

[Dave88LX]

For some reason those thumbnails won't enlarge...

What do you mean by "chip it" regarding the fiberglass hairs?

 

[Kevin54]

What do you mean by "chip it" regarding the fiberglass hairs?

Clip it!! You have to get the Braun out and give it a shave

Just kidding. Lacquer thinner will get the oil up though. Just don't use a torch around any wet lacquer thinner or the hair will be burnt off. Lacquer thinner is very explosive. Moreso than gasoline as far as igniting. But it's evaporation rate is quick also. Any oil I have had on the floor, I have just poured some on, scrubbed it in, and wiped it up with great results.

 

[Dave88LX]

Appreciate all the advice, I will give the lacquer thinner a shot this weekend!

 

[WolverineCoatings]

Try the laquer thinner first... We also have a really kickin' degreaser! We had a contractor coat a floor of a Square D plant that was saturated with oil. He admitted that his prep was not even close to adequate due to time constraints on the project. He called me after he put down the primer (BondTite 1101) to tell me that we were going to push the limits and see just how good the BondTite 1101 really is. The next morning he called me again to let me know that the BondTite 1101 was stuck hard and the oil had traveled through the primer and was resting on top of it. He wiped the oil up with a rag and applied our LiquaTile 1184. The floor has been in trouble free service for about 2 years now.

We know that BondTite 1101 is an amazing product and covers up a multitude of application errors. Obviously, the floor at Square D was alot worse than yours. We hesitate telling people about Square D because we don't want people to get lazy with their prep. We ALWAYS recommend doing the proper prep.

 

[Dave88LX]

That's a bit of a relief then. I was going to prep the best that I could, and then just hope for the best, and accept fault myself if these particular areas failed, and fix it later in life. I need to get my stuff out of storage though, at $360/month!

So the 1101 kind of sucked the oil up and out like a sponge?

Appreciate the help!

Regarding your degreaser, are you talking about OrganiClean, or something else? What is the smallest quantity that it is sold in?

 

[WolverineCoatings]

That's a bit of a relief then. I was going to prep the best that I could, and then just hope for the best, and accept fault myself if these particular areas failed, and fix it later in life. I need to get my stuff out of storage though, at $360/month!

I think you need to do the laquer thinner excercise! It probably won't take you more than an hour at the most.

So the 1101 kind of sucked the oil up and out like a sponge?

Basically, it displaced it... The reason we don't advertise this is because oil isn't oil. You've all seen oil fresh out of the bottle and that same oil that has been sitting for years. The longer oil sits the more 'concentrated' it becomes... turning to sludge. Laquer Thinner is light and is a solvent that breaks up the sludge. Since it is light it wants to rise to the surface. The oil at Square D was pretty liquid.

Regarding your degreaser, are you talking about OrganiClean, or something else? What is the smallest quantity that it is sold in?

I think you should start with OrganiClean 935. This is a VERY powerful degreaser and you'll get an AWESOME bang for the buck. We have it in a gallon jug although you might just want to get a 5 for future use. For some cleaning you can dilute it as much as 1 part to 100 parts of water. Here is an idea of the dilution ratios:

Heavy Duty Cleaning –
1 part OrganiClean 935 : 1 part water
(Grills, ovens, engines, tires/wheels, driveways, heavy grease)

Medium Duty (Routine) Cleaning –
1 part OrganiClean 935 : 10 parts water
(floors, counter tops, appliances, toilets, stove tops)

Sensitive Cleaning -
1 part OrganiClean 935 : 32 parts water
(Painted surfaces, furniture, carpets, and solution for cleaning equipment holding tanks)

Light Duty and Pressure Cleaning -
1 part OrganiClean 935 : 100 parts water

Let's get Fred involved so we can go ahead and get some of this in your hands to try.
http://www.alphagarage.com/2.html

 

[Dave88LX]

I did pick up a gallon of lacquer thinner to try out. I was going to do it tonight, but, "The Office" comes on in 20 minutes, and I can't miss that. I will probably head out to the garage after that though. I'll keep you updated on progress as it goes with this stuff.

If the lacquer thinner doesn't work out I will give the 935 a shot...or I might pick up a gallon anyways and give it a whirl. I will talk to Fred about having him add one on to my order once we finalize it.

Thanks!
- Dave

 

[thegarageguy]

how bout giving us an update!!! Did the laquer work? Did you buy Wolverine's degreaser product? Did his product work? Give us something!!!

 

[Dave88LX]

Sorry sorry! Life has been getting in the way (Damn life!! haha).

I haven't ordered OrganiClean yet...

I spent half the weekend catching up on sleep, the other half trying to fix my front yard and un-ugly it.

I will at least post some pics of that, so that I don't totally fail to deliver, and disappoint you.



From a post on another forum...


There has been this retarded annoying planter in the front yard, that's been completely covered in ivy. Why it's there, no clue. I hate the thing, I don't even like looking at it, it is such an eyesore.


This was the front yard a couple days ago.

Closer shot of this stupid ivy thing. RIDICULOUS, INSANE amount of roots on this thing. I mean, absurd.

After hours and hours of pulling roots...

Cummins Power! At the tip of Mr. Mike Means...don't know why I didn't think of this!

What kind of spider is this? Thing was big.

Finally, with all the **** finally cleaned up, the bush pulled out and hole filled, small maple tree dug up and filled in, and that big dumb planter yanked and filled...MUCH MUCH better. I was able to get some seed down on the big bare spots before the rain tonight, but I will overseed the rest of the lawn tomorrow afternoon. I was surprised, a little bit of seed goes a long way! That huge shrub on the corner of the house is going bye-bye as well.

 

[WolverineCoatings]

Allllright.... We'll give you a 'pass'... just this one time... lol...

WOW... That looks like a very rewarding day. I've been working on my yard as well. My Palmetto St. Augustine is starting to come out... YEAH!

 

[Dave88LX]

Thank you kind sir.

 

[pleaseuback]

How did the Lacquer test work out?

 

[tdickman]

Another solution to your oil spot. Take some ZEP purple degreaser (available at your local Home Depot). Pour a puddle of degreaser on the oil spot, full strength, don't dilute it per the instructions. Let it sit for 15 minutes, then scrub the spot. We use a large floor machine with a scrub brush, but you can do this by hand, with a strong bristled brush. Make sure to wear chem resistant gloves. Then rinse with water and squeegee off. You can do this process several times if needed. After this we grind the floor with our HTC floor grinder, that's our standard prep. Making sure to grind or blast the affected areas well, you can use a small hand grinder with a diamond tuck wheel or an abrasive disk if you dont have access to a machine.
http://www.joedue.com/modules/cart/navigate.php/nav_id/161

I am not sure what lacquer thinner will do, never tried that.

 

[V-10 Killer]

I'm still curious at to what kind of spider that was LOL

 

[Dave88LX]

Hey all, I'm back again. Sorry for the delay and lack of updates. Was a pretty busy summer, the plan was to study for E-6 (TSgt) for the two months after I returned from Iraq, in April. I got home April 10th, I should have taken the test by June 10th. My unit kept screwing around, and didn't get me a test date until June 30th! So, I kept studying, with the intention of starting the floor after that.

Wellllll, not a couple days after my test, I got my marching orders to head back to Iraq on July 21st! Sooo, the next couple weeks was spent packing, getting what I could squared away for the house while I was gone, spending time with my wife etc. etc.

I got home on the 28th of August, so, I'm getting back to work again!

To start with, the lawn came in pretty decent! Of course, it didn't get watered once except rainfall while I was gone. Next year I'll give it some more attention.

OK tonight I worked some lacquer thinner into the concrete. It almost looked like it BLEACHED the areas, making it LOOK like the rest of the concrete, but, strangely enough, some of the spots while rough, water still beads up on top? I did not scrub the lacquer thinner in though, so I will try that. I also need to find my Simple Green, or buy some, which seems to have disappeared while I was gone.

I'm also annoyed a mouse decided to make home in the garage, I will have to trap that *******, damn poop all over my freshly acid-etched floor! Will have to pressure wash and re-etch those areas as well as the areas I'm working the oil out of.

- Dave

 

[T_Hed]

Great looking yard Dave,
The spider pictured is a Wolf Spider.
They get pretty big but are generally harmless unless provoked.


T

 

[Dave88LX]

Thanks T! Glad it's harmless. I'm finding spiders ALL OVER the garage. I need to go find my anti-spider thread to see how to keep 'em out again.

I did the mineral spirit & Simple Green treatment today in the problem areas, and gave it one final pressure washing. At this point, I'm just going to roll forward with what I have and hope for the best.

I did decide it would be best for me to not be lazy and fill in the couple cracks that I have, so I need to contact Wolverine Coatings to find out what's recommended besides Integra-Flex I think it's called. Something local just for a couple small cracks.

 

[Dave88LX]

Reported it.

 

[Dave88LX]

Pour mineral spirits in the air and then place oil on for several days and work the oil dry into the concrete with your feet. The solvent/oil dry combination will leach the oil out of the floor.......

What do you mean by "pour them in the air"?

I picked up some Oil Dri today and sprinkled that all over the spots (solid covering). Now, when I grind it in with my feet, of course it's going to crush into a powder and get into the concrete too. Will a good strong shop-vac take care of it from there, or am I going to have to rinse/acid etch again after this? Hate to have to get it all wet again and have to wait for it to dry.

 

[1993gt40]

The floor was very thoroughly washed, washed, degreased, washed, acid etched, washed, scrubbed, washed, and rinsed. The majority of the floor is fine, minus a few select areas where some type of oil had puddled for too long by the previous homeowner.

Suggestions? The areas are fairly large. There are 4 of them roughly 2 feet in diameter.

It's "The Curse".

Good luck to you on this one, I am about to embark on the same project myself but the previous homeowners painted the garage floor, I have no idea what I might find underneath (hopefully they didn't have a car that leaked too bad that they just tried to cover up). This is all great info.

 

[AlphaGarage]

It's "The Curse".

Good luck to you on this one, I am about to embark on the same project myself but the previous homeowners painted the garage floor, I have no idea what I might find underneath (hopefully they didn't have a car that leaked too bad that they just tried to cover up). This is all great info.

If the paint's been down, and sticking well, for some time it probably can't be all that bad.

 

[Dave88LX]

"The Curse"...OK someone knows me from the Corral.