I am new to the forum, and I am looking to start a new collection. I have a question about fake Snap On sockets. I have found quite a few sellers on Ebay selling "new" current production sockets. My question is, how can they sell these so cheap? Has anyone ever heard of or seen fake Snap On sockets?
Fake Snap On sockets??
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HandyManny
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A lot of stuff being sold on ebay is "hot", meaning "stolen". They could just be trying to sell it off to get money for it. Or they are just starting the bid low with the hopes that some tool addicts will drive the bid up. People overpay for stuff on ebay all the time.
I'm, not saying that there is no counterfiet Snap-On stuff, but I would think it would be rare or unlikely. I can't see any reason why someone would counterfiet tools. I can see why they'd do it to a Rolex or a Gucci bag or something like that. The vast majority of people still regard tools as tools, especially those who use them daily or to make a living with.
I'm, not saying that there is no counterfiet Snap-On stuff, but I would think it would be rare or unlikely. I can't see any reason why someone would counterfiet tools. I can see why they'd do it to a Rolex or a Gucci bag or something like that. The vast majority of people still regard tools as tools, especially those who use them daily or to make a living with.
Ed_EOD
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I have bought and sold many Snap-On tools on eBay and have never heard of a fake. You have to be careful though, as a lot of sellers on eBay will advertise Blue-Point and Bahco as Snap-On. They will also put things like "Sockets with snap em' on rail" or similar to get cheap **** to come up in a Snap-On search and hopefully to get someone not paying attention..
HandyManny
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That seems pretty low priced to me for Snap-On, unless it's used stuff. Brand new that stuff goes for twice that. Question the seller with emails, see how they react to your questions. Ask stuff like how old are they or how can they sell these for this price. See how they respond.
HandyManny
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Well I can't tell you what to do, that's up to you. I will however say that I've lived long enough to have figure out a long time ago that if something sounds too good to be true, then it probably isn't true.
Here is a link. What do you think? I would hate to get boned.....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SNAP...t=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item45f69ddfdb
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SNAP...t=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item45f69ddfdb
Buckgnarly
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Over 9k positive feedback, I'd say you are safe. though now you're going to get "boned" when someone on here buys them!
though now you're going to get "boned" when someone on here buys them!
I figured that may happen. But better to be safe then sorry................
It "sounds" correct with the part numbers, but only a 7pc set instead of the usual 11pc. And after looking at his previous feedbacks, it seems like people are satisfied with their purchase. I'd say buy it and if its not real, then return for a full refund and file a complain with Ebay and/or Paypal.
wornoutoldman
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I believe this to be a counterfeit:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...0450648639&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Check out the Snap-On Script on the handle. That is much later 90s style script.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...0450648639&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Check out the Snap-On Script on the handle. That is much later 90s style script.
If I wanted those, I wouldn't think twice about buying it. Looks legit to me.
I've sold new snap on for less than half the original price. In fact, I've got a 1/2" drive 12 point sae set for $122 that is $244 new, and my price includes shipping.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80154
I found them for a song at an auction. Even at half price including shipping, they've been sitting for about 10 days with no interest here at GJ. I thought for sure they'd get snapped up for the $135 I originally had them for.
For common stuff like wrenches and sockets, secondary market new price is usually 40 to 65% of truck price from what I've seen, at least here and ebay. Used is usually 35 to 50%. Obviously there are exceptions, but for me at those ranges, stuff moves. 65% is a tough sell usually though, unless it is something less common that can't be had from the secondary market often.
I've sold new snap on for less than half the original price. In fact, I've got a 1/2" drive 12 point sae set for $122 that is $244 new, and my price includes shipping.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80154
I found them for a song at an auction. Even at half price including shipping, they've been sitting for about 10 days with no interest here at GJ. I thought for sure they'd get snapped up for the $135 I originally had them for.
For common stuff like wrenches and sockets, secondary market new price is usually 40 to 65% of truck price from what I've seen, at least here and ebay. Used is usually 35 to 50%. Obviously there are exceptions, but for me at those ranges, stuff moves. 65% is a tough sell usually though, unless it is something less common that can't be had from the secondary market often.
94yj
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what makes you think it is fake?
Just seems to good to be true. But I really don't know. Just trying to figure it out before I make a mistake. Haha!
Ed_EOD
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Those prices seem spot on from when I was doing a lot on ebay. No one really wants a 7pc SAE set so they sell for less, per socket, that the standard 3/8 SAE sets. I remember a flood of T72 ratchets a while back also.
ETA: When I started buying Snap-On on eBay, I was suprised at some of the prices so I did the same thing you are doing. I asked some questions and did some research and never found evidence of a counterfit SO tool other than maybe an obviously NOT SO cheap chinese tool that just said SO in some random lettering. Even those were only found after a crapload of searching and would have been incredibly easy to spot.
ETA: When I started buying Snap-On on eBay, I was suprised at some of the prices so I did the same thing you are doing. I asked some questions and did some research and never found evidence of a counterfit SO tool other than maybe an obviously NOT SO cheap chinese tool that just said SO in some random lettering. Even those were only found after a crapload of searching and would have been incredibly easy to spot.
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toolnut
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I looked at the set on Ebay you linked. That only looks like a partial set with only seven sockets with the most popular sizes. A lot of the popular stuff ends up as overstock that a lot of mechanics already have and end up sold at drasticly low prices. So most times a "new" item is a good deal because there are a lot of them out there.
To me, this is false logic. It will cost you way more to fill in later. It's always best to buy the most complete sets that you think you will ever need right from the start. Costs way more up front though, but will save you money in the long run. I have always looked for the largest set that Snap-on makes when I bought socket sets on eBay. They don't come up as frequently as the smaller sets, but believe me, in the long run, this is the cheapest way to do it. You may need some real patience to find these larger sets though. And while the small sets tend to be priced low, the "average" sized sets are the highest. You'll find that the really large sets sell for a smaller percentage of new price than the normal sets. I would look for the same thing when getting wrench sets. For both sockets and wrenches, it is the bigger sizes that are really costly; this is why adding on to a set is so expensive.
Another thing I look for is the newest logo style. That way, if you have to replace a lost or broken socket, it will be very easy to find a matching socket or wrench.
Skyline,
I may have been a little misleading with what I was trying to say, and I agree with you if I was trying to complete an entire set of 1/4", 3/8", and/or 1/2" sockets, for say deep well and short well. But for just this particular 3/8" 6 point deep well set that I am trying to complete, this is the cheapest way that I have seen to get it. This 7 pc set is $49.95 and $4.95 shipping. If I buy all the other 3/8" 6 point deep well sockets (7 more) individually that Snap On offers, I will be in for a total of $245.84 and that is at 8% sales tax. Now even if you add $30 for shipping for the individual sockets, which would be rediculous, I would still save $27.21 over buying 1/4" - 7/8" set through Snap On and adding the rest to make a complete 1/4" - 1" set. That set would cost $303.05 plus tax and shipping.
The way I am looking at stating my collection would be to find a good bang for the buck set and run the numbers to see if it is cost effective.
I may have been a little misleading with what I was trying to say, and I agree with you if I was trying to complete an entire set of 1/4", 3/8", and/or 1/2" sockets, for say deep well and short well. But for just this particular 3/8" 6 point deep well set that I am trying to complete, this is the cheapest way that I have seen to get it. This 7 pc set is $49.95 and $4.95 shipping. If I buy all the other 3/8" 6 point deep well sockets (7 more) individually that Snap On offers, I will be in for a total of $245.84 and that is at 8% sales tax. Now even if you add $30 for shipping for the individual sockets, which would be rediculous, I would still save $27.21 over buying 1/4" - 7/8" set through Snap On and adding the rest to make a complete 1/4" - 1" set. That set would cost $303.05 plus tax and shipping.
The way I am looking at stating my collection would be to find a good bang for the buck set and run the numbers to see if it is cost effective.
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That ratchet continued being made for the military after the civilian market converted to pear head. I'm not sure if that contract production ended before or after the introduction of the new SO script.
Agreed, but I think you did not quite get my point fully. The same 14 PC deep set that you ultimately want can be had either new or near-new excellent condition on eBay from $100-$125.....not $245. I think I paid in the area of $225 for both my metric and SAE deep 3/8" sets, (perfect used condition) but those were the really large sets that are not in the catalogue any more (~24 pcs each I think; two full socket rails each set). To fill in your sets off the truck or web site is VERY costly, unless you are just missing one or two.
Ed_EOD
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If you do buy that set, just watch the classifieds here and eBay to complete it. It will take more time, but will be much cheaper. For things like the 1" though, you will probably have to buy that from SO because they are pretty hard to find as a single.
A lot of what is sold is purchased through coorperate/industrial discounts or by individuals who stocked up with their discount [50%] through school. The other half is just guys trying to dump stuff they rarely used, could be a weekend warrior who jumped the gun on a purchase or a full time mechanic who never did anything with said tool beyond breaking the plastic wrapper.
The only place fakes would make sense from is if the sellers were shipping from china. Domestic fakes wouldnt exist because of the obviouls legal issues and the fact that tooling up to make sockets costs a lot so only companies who already manufacture sockets would have that capability. Its not like anyone can just start pumping the things out in their basement.
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Pukeballs
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I bought some Bahco sockets from him awhile back. Everything was as advertised. And IIRC he shipped really quick. I'd say go for it. Its legit.
The price is not suprising by ebay standards. If you're going to fill in the gaps of the set off the truck, I'd wait and just buy a complete set on ebay. Sockets are on there quite a bit. Just about any price, for a nice clean set, is going to blow away the truck price or partial truck price partial ebay.
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It is because Snap-On is 100% overpriced. That inflated price reflects the easy they extend credit to techs with no cash. Just like rent-a -center. In the real world like ebay where you have to pay when you buy it, things go for a realistic price. I sell used and new snap-on all the time. Except for some very high demand items like 1/2 impact wrenches, most everything new seems to sell for 30-55% of new retail. Used 10-40% of retail.
What you are seeing is the real world price, not the extend me easy credit built into the price snap-on charges,,. I think snap-on is overpriced even used, so I sell it when I get it. But seems like only a fool would pay new prices when you have ebay, unless it is something you need right then when the tool man is there. Kind of like an idiot who pays cash at the rent-to-own place. Because that is basicaly how snap-on sets its prices.
What you are seeing is the real world price, not the extend me easy credit built into the price snap-on charges,,. I think snap-on is overpriced even used, so I sell it when I get it. But seems like only a fool would pay new prices when you have ebay, unless it is something you need right then when the tool man is there. Kind of like an idiot who pays cash at the rent-to-own place. Because that is basicaly how snap-on sets its prices.