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Favguy

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Hello all, Nice to be here seeing all the fabulous garage builds you guys are on with. I'd now like to share my humble project with you all :)

By the standard of many of the builds on here, this one is probably going to be quite small, as we generally have far smaller plots to work with here in the UK, but it is a larger garage by our norms!

OK, so lets get started with the story...

We moved home at the end of last year. One of the reasons for the move was so I could fulfill my desire for a decent size man cave for projects, so the house had to either already have, or have space to build, a decent sized garage. The problem in the UK is generally our plots are smaller and even when you start looking at bigger and bigger houses, (running up to eye watering values!) the size of any garaging with the house just doesn't get much bigger as the vast majority of people here just don't care about garages. They're usually just filled with junk, or often converted to another room in the house if attached. The cars just sit outside in the rain getting s**t on by bird life!

So after much hunting and rejecting many lovely houses due to lack of garage potential, (lots of estate agents seem to think you're insane when you reject a house based on the garage facilities, or lack of!) We found a nice house in a good location, within budget, and with a garage that could be developed to suit my needs.

The garage at the house had been hastily cobbled together as a conversion from an existing farm building when the house was built back in around 1988. The farm building itself dating from around 1900! Apart from not being a very good job to start with, having had just a single brick extension added to the front of the original farm building, it had been left alone with little maintenance for over 30 years. A combination of an old hawthorn hedge, two trees and an out of control russian vine, all immediately to the rear of the garage had taken their toll on the building.

Extensive unchecked ivy and other overgrown vines had resulted in a jungle type of environment to the rear of the garage, with extensive under tile infiltration of foliage.

Numerous birds, squirrels and other wildlife had used the space between the roof tiles and felt liner as home and it was completely filled with detritus, stores of nuts, snail shells by the hundred... well you get the picture :wtf: I really should have taken more pictures early on, but was keen to get on and neglected to do so.

Anyway, here's a picture of it as found:

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Looked quite quaint, but the foliage was slowly destroying the building :(

And a closer shot:

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At this point I was undecided how to proceed, so started by cutting down the two largest trees, clearing away excess foliage and cutting through all the bases of the ivy so it could start to die off. Then I gave the roof an initial clean up.

Looking a bit tidier, but still pretty shoddy:

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OK, that's all for now, have to get some work done, I'll be back later :thumbup:
 
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I'd initially hoped to extend the garage sideways to the left and thought I might be able to keep and modify the existing roof structure, but having looked at the condition of the roof after cleaning it up a bit, it had extensive woodworm infestation and the general quality of the woodwork was terrible, so the roof would need to be rebuilt.

On top of this, the existing buildings front wall structure was actually still inside the garage, holding up the roof, so despite the garage being a reasonable size, 7.2m x 6.1m,
(23'6" x 20') the usable size was much less.

I decided to clear all the remaining foliage, put up a decent perimeter fence, and get started on enlarging the garage to 8.9m x 6.2m (29'2" x 20'4"). Height to remain the same at 4m (13'1"), but with a vaulted roof structure to give better headroom for car lifting. This could be done keeping the existing buildings rear and right hand gable walls to save on brickwork. (and the fact I just like having part of the building date back to circa 1900 for some reason) This leaves a 2m (6'6") perimeter all round to the new boundary fence.

The 2m is relevant here too, as apart from leaving a good maintenance and potential additional outdoor storage space, keeping this distance away from the boundary all round, along with a maximum building height of 4m, means the garage falls under UK's permitted development rights. Therefore I don't have to jump through any hoops or be at the whim of any planning officials. :thumbup:

Work started in earnest back in mid march with me demolishing the 1980's brickwork. You can now see the existing circa 1900 building that was inside the later garage addition!
The weather was atrocious at the start of foundation and new brickwork commencement, with progress constantly halted due to heavy rain. It also made the place look like a quagmire..

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Slowly progressing...

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Progress as of yesterday...

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So the main doors turned up, but as I'm behind getting the roof lining on the garage isn't yet watertight so they've had to go elsewhere for the time being.

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Wife is a tad annoyed as they're sort of blocking the hallway and kitchen entrance, but they passed inspection by Marion the cat, who is just loving popping all the bubble wrap with his claws. :)
 
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Looking at other builds, it's fascinating to see the totally different building methods used in the US and Australia compared to how we build over here.

Much more extensive use of wood for wall construction as opposed to our use of brick/blockwork, and you all seem to use much, much, heavier/thicker foundation concrete than would be specified over here for similar sized builds.

I suppose it's down to the different climatic conditions. Weather here is pretty temperate and we don't suffer any really heavy extremes of temperature, storms or hurricanes.

Anyway, back to progress to date.

The roof lining and battens are finished and front and rear fascia's are done, so we're water tight at last, at least from above!

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Front fascia is light oak, although, it's not actually wood, but a maintenance free composite.

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And a shot of the internal roof.

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There's the king posts and additional bracing yet to be added to the roof structure before the tiles are laid as they will add another 2.9 metric tonnes of weight to the roof.

The remains of the original walls that are no longer needed were removed. It was interesting to see how the victorians did damp proof courses in slate! The remaining rear wall and right side gable end that are staying have this too and are still damp free (well, getting there after I removed the piles of dirt that were breaching the damp proof course) after 120 years! It's an effective method.

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Looking great so far. Looks like you were able to expand it to a pretty decent size!

What sort of projects do you plan to do in the completed garage?
 
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Thanks, Not sure about projects yet. I do have a 1955 Beetle that I restored back in 1988, It's pretty nice, but my skills were more limited when I first restored it, and some compromises were made. I'm thinking of doing a complete re-restoration to museum standards on it now they've got more valuable. I also like to build electric cars and might build another EV sports car conversion at some point.

So, initially it will house the VW, existing EV, & I quite fancy getting another interesting car in the near future. Maybe a DB9, funds permitting. :)

Other than that, it's just nice to have a proper space for general maintenance and come what may...
 
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Not had much time to work on the garage over the last week or so, but did get a couple of small jobs done.

First job was to add a buttress to the centre support pillar. This was missed out when the brickwork was done due to a misunderstanding. I didn't want the bricklayers back on site as frankly they'd been hard work. I'd had to argue over various issues during the build to get things how I wanted them done and it was generally acrimonious, was glad to see the back of them by the end of the job...

So that left it up to me. I'm actually not bad at laying bricks, although slow, and find it tedious work. It was made more of a chore as I had to carefully route out the necessary bricks to key in the buttress without damaging surrounding brickwork. A tungston carbide masonary router in the angle grinder did the job well but it's a slow process, taking the best part of half a day to remove the bricks. Anyway, it turned out pretty nice in the end.

Prepped and ready to add buttress:

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Finished:

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The next job was to complete the interior skin of bricks that had been inaccessible to the bricklayers due to the old roof structure still being in place when the brickwork was done. This was really slow going due to having to work at an ever increasing height from steps/ladders, but turned out OK and will blend in nicely once painted. You can see I still have some more minor finishing lower down between the old and new walls were the old wall return was removed.

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The additional roof tiles have also turned up, so I can finally get to tiling the roof this coming week :)
 
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Hello all, I've been making slow progress on the garage due to being a bit under the weather for a few weeks with a chest infection. Better now and finally got a bit done, so here's an update on the state of play.

Got the king posts installed in the roof structure:

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Started tiling at last, here's the main section of the rear roof done:

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And here's a couple of shots of the finished roof with ridge finished and rear guttering done:

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I'm really pleased with how its turned out. Took forever as I re-used as many of the original tiles as possible and this meant bleach dipping and pressure washing each to remove 30 years of accumulated muck!

The section of the roof using the old tiles will also shortly be sprayed with a penetrating masonry sealer. This will stop the risk of frost damage to the older tile surfaces come winter.

I like to try to re-use things where possible, but in hindsight, I should have just used all new tiles as the labour time involved with cleaning them for re-use and applying sealer is just too great compared with the money saved, but hey, it's done now!

I also got around to pointing up the interior of the old brickwork as needed and dressed in the areas where the old wall corners had been cut back where they meet the new walls. Should look pretty good now once painted:

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So, it's coming along. The remaining larger jobs to do to finish the "construction" phase of the garage are break up and remove the front sections of the existing floor, prep and lay new concrete. Then I've got the two main doors to install along with the side personnel door and window. Still need to chase out and re-point a lot of the mortar to original walls around the rear of the garage. Oh, and landscaping all round to do as well!

It then gets easier with wiring the lighting and power, decorating, & choosing a floor treatment :)

Please be patient, it's going to take a while as I'm doing everything myself single handed! :lol_hitti
 
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Regarding my lighting solution, I was lucky enough to snag a set of 20, 5ft, twin fluorescent fittings from a retail shop upgrade for only £30!

I'm gutting them to convert to LED tubes and will be fitting a total of 18, in 6 rows of 3. This should give me pretty good lighting. Each bank of 3 will be separately switched to allow for only lighting part of the garage if desired.

Before and after pictures of the LED conversion:

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I've trial fitted the first row of three to see how it works out. They're suspended between the rafters as to not impede working height. Quite happy with how this is working out. :bounce:

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Wow. That's a very interesting project. You are pretty handy between the EV conversion and all the building work. That new roof looks excellent. And the usable space seems vastly improved.
 

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You're doing a proper job there. Keep up the good work.

It's nice to see somebody building a real garage with an eye for detail in the UK. We just don't seem bothered about them (sweeping generalisation!) anymore, which is a shame.
I, too, would have kept the original wall. It all adds to the history of the property.

Whereabouts did you get your trusses from?

Oh and that Favorit looks familiar, but I can't quite place where I've seen it before. Maybe on Pistonheads or Briskoda?
 
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Thanks for the comments guys.

Ruxpin, There do seem to be very few in the UK today who undertake project work and therefore need/want decent workshop space. I hardly know anyone who doesn't just farm out even the most routine work to a local garage...

I think the excessive prices for any property with a plot that either has a decent garage with it, or the space to build one doesn't help at all either...

I built the trusses myself in situ, it was a big mistake as the time and work involved was far greater than I'd imagined it would be, if I did it over again, I'd buy them ready made lol!!

As for the favorit, I did have a build thread on Briskoda, and a more in depth thread on diyelectriccar.com
 
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Hi all,

Been neglecting updates. (To say the least!) Garage building phase is almost finished, landscaping around it finished. Just some internal decor to do.

Most of my progress pictures are on my other broken down laptop, so I'll recover them when I get a chance, take some updated pics as well and do a mega update here within a week or two, stay tuned... :thumbup:
 
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Holy thread revival batman!!

Well I never did get around to finishing this write up did I...

I'm going to try harder this next time. I find out tomorrow if I get to buy our next home, and, wait for it... It has a garage that measures 13.8m x 6m. (that's about 45 x 20 feet)

That might not be all that huge by US standards, but in the UK, it's considered enormous.

It's built properly as well, like a UK house. Brick outer, insulated 4" cavity and concrete block inner, lined and tiled, pitched roof. Insulated doors. It's going to be dry as a bone in all weathers and easy to retain heat when needed. I'm so excited!! :)
 

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Holy thread revival batman!!

Well I never did get around to finishing this write up did I...

I'm going to try harder this next time. I find out tomorrow if I get to buy our next home, and, wait for it... It has a garage that measures 13.8m x 6m. (that's about 45 x 20 feet)

That might not be all that huge by US standards, but in the UK, it's considered enormous.

It's built properly as well, like a UK house. Brick outer, insulated 4" cavity and concrete block inner, lined and tiled, pitched roof. Insulated doors. It's going to be dry as a bone in all weathers and easy to retain heat when needed. I'm so excited!! :)

Still in Lincs? If so, i think i might know which one as i saw one on rightmove with similar.
 
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Sneak peek pictures, this is it for now, as not mine just yet...

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Still in Lincs? If so, i think i might know which one as i saw one on rightmove with similar.
Yes, It's not my house yet though, so not fair to give any more info or pictures other than the garage. If I get a "yes" tomorrow, it's still going to be a while as sale completion won't be until around April I'd expect.
 
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Well, that never happened! But this did:

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The Garage internally measures about 7.5 metres long x 6.8 metres wide with a room above for workshop/storage activities. The car port seen here on the side is coming down and being replaced by a post free cantilever that will be much more aesthetically pleasing. The doors are getting changed out for insulated rollers and there is space at the rear to develop a second workshop of 6 metres x 5 metres internally behind this one under UK permitted development rules, so that's going to be where my 4 post lift goes to give double stack storage and/or workshop facilities. The base for that is getting built in just over 2 weeks time!

So lots to talk about for this site in the future, but for now it'll have to wait, as the house refresh is currently getting priority.

I'm so excited!
 
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