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Favorite bits for mild steel and stainless?

cthulu

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Looking to upgrade my general purpose and cheapo HF metal bits to quality bits for drilling mild steel and occasional stainless. Don't expect to go through more than 1/2in of either material.

What metal drill bits would you guys recommend? A buddy came over with some Irwin bits made for drilling metal and they were silky smooth compared to what I'm used to. (hence the upgrade)
 
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metlmunchr

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Probably the best drills I've used are made by Precision Twist Drill.

I'd go with 135* split points. They have a heavy duty pattern web and the split point helps them to self center without walking around. The split point is also cutting rather than bulldozing the material at the center outward so the lips can cut it. This makes penetration easier. This is particularly helpful on stainless where the primary difficulty comes from work hardening which happens when the tool is rubbing rather than cutting.

I run screw machine length drills as much as possible. The only time I use jobber length is when I either need the extra length to clear some nearby obstruction or the depth of the hole exceeds the flute length on the screw machine drills. Once again, the shorter length equates to a stiffer drill that can be pushed harder without deflecting and breaking.

No doubt some people are going to tell you to buy cobalt drills. In reality, a standard high speed steel drill is tougher than a cobalt, and the advantages of cobalt drills really only show up when drilling alloy steels or steels in the pre hardened state. For mild steel and the occasional SS use, they aren't worth the substantial price premium.

I recently completed a job that required 2800 holes, .160" diameter, in a mix of 1/4 and 5/16 thick parts that had been laser cut from mild steel plate. Used PTD 135* screw machine length HSS drills. In a job like this, using small drills, I buy whatever the package quantity happens to be rather than taking a chance on trying to guesstimate how many I'll need and then end up with the job stopped for the want of a drill that costs a buck and a half. Bought a ten pack, but drilled the 2800 holes with 3 drills. No cobalt. No TiN or other coating.

Drilling a pilot hole will extend the life of drills above 3/8" dia. The pilot hole size should be determined by measuring across the web of the drill. Use that dimension, or slightly smaller, for the pilot drill. Oversize pilot holes that move the edge of the pilot hole out onto the lips of the drill will chip or burn an area on the drill and do more damage than having no pilot hole.

One bad piece of advice I see regularly on forums like these is a suggestion to step the size out by a series of different diameter drills. For example, drill a half inch hole by drilling a 1/4 first, then 3/8, then 7/16, and finally 1/2". One of the most destructive things you can do to a drill. Chips or burns the lips at the inner point of contact, and/or snags and breaks the drill.

If you don't already have them, pick up a couple unibits for drilling in sheet metal. The holes will be much more round than if using a twist drill, and you won't wreck your good twist drills while making triangular holes.
 

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I've had a good run with Chicago Latrobe 118 deg jobbers. I keep a pack qty (buy by the pack) of 1/8" and 5/32" for pilot holes. 1/8" for hand drilling ops and 5/32" for machines. Looks like C-L and Cleveland Twist Drill are part of Greenfield (Tap & Die) Industries today.

My favorite drill bit however...is a punch! (like an ironworker punch) Lowest cost per hole. :D
 

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It is difficult to find general purpose bits (wood, mild steel) that will also do well in stainless. Thin stainless might grab and then buckle, ruining the part. Thick stainless and you can be there all day. I like Drill Hog bits. Made in USA and lifetime warranty.

One thing you almost never hear mentioned is the use of a pilot drill, especially on stainless. After you have the pilot hole you can work your way to your finish diameter.

When drilling sheet metal, especially stainless, a good solid backer is important. Also, I recently "discovered" step drills (also called UniBit). Various size ranges and even available in cobalt ($$$).
 

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I've had a good run with Chicago Latrobe 118 deg jobbers.

My buddy gave me a new set of Chicago Latrobe 135 degree split points a few months ago---OMG they cut better than any bits I've ever used! The cleanest cuts I've seen, and virtually no burr at the breakout. Outstanding drills.
 

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I don't have near as much experience drilling in metal as some of these other guys. But if your like me and don't do it very often but need it to work when you do this might be a cheaper option. I picked them up a couple weeks ago and they seem to work great and the price is awesome. I figure if I break one I will replace it with a pack of that size. If you play Sears points and coupon games you can get it for much less. Quite the value for Cobalt Steel bits!!! As always with metal use good cutting oil and lower speed on your drill.c6a12596208840d5aaa7c825823fd2ef.jpg

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I've been using a $15 set of Dewalt pilot tip and they have done fine for me.

Key is using a pilot hole I think.

The Irwin/Hanson ones have done well too.
 

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Probably the best drills I've used are made by Precision Twist Drill.

I'd go with 135* split points. They have a heavy duty pattern web and the split point helps them to self center without walking around. The split point is also cutting rather than bulldozing ...........

First listen to this guy, seems he has done lots of (good practice) drilling.

Second, go buy this set NOW.

Chicago Latrobe 550 Series Cobalt Steel Jobber Length Drill Bit Set With Metal Case, Gold Oxide Finish, 135 Degree Split Point, Inch, 21-piece, 1/16" - 3/8" in 1/64" increments - $67
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004IPPGYS/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all

Or you can roll the dice with Drill Hog. Mixed reviews, buy on Ebay only as Amazon prices are 2x?
 

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Whatever you do, don't buy black HDX brand drill bits from Home Depot. My dad got me a set of them as a stocking stuffer for Christmas last year and let me tell you, the Chinesium they are made out of is absolute garbage, but most of you know that already.

I used them last weekend to drill out a small broken bolt in the crossmember under the engine in my Tacoma and two of the bits shattered into multiple pieces. Thankfully I was wearing my non-safety glasses because I never did find all of the broken pieces.
 

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As above, if you are drilling in metal <1/4 in. thick - Get some unibits! Those cheap 3 piece sets from Harbor freight are excellent. Unless you need a hole outside the range of unibits in depth or diameter you cant go wrong.

Esp if you are not using a drill press, the unibit with its limited cut per step is the way to go with a battery drill.

Angle iron, stamped steel, plate, alu.... try it.
 
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Avoid anything with the word coated.... It will be gone very quickly

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Not necessarily. Black oxide is a coating and will come on many basic but quality (read: non-Chinese) drills. You can often choose “bright” if you wish, IF ordering from a quality cutting tool supplier.

Tin and AlTin (and others) can be truly beneficial on end mills to prevent chip welding or gumming. But that is a slightly different application (tool cuts on the periphery)

Anyway my rule of thumb is avoid homeowner such as Milwaukee, DeWalt, Craftsman etc. Basically if you can buy it at HD or Lowes or any other hardware store. Shop online and shoot for dedicated cutting tool brands such as CL, Cleveland, PTD, even Hertel. Anything from MSC that is not no-name import or “Interstate” will be worlds ahead of Bob Vila junk. Even the Accupro housebrand is great - I drilled 1360 #21 holes, 1.5” deep each in 6061 Al yesterday with an Accupro parabolic.
 

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What you said is true for high end bits. Because if the fact that he is upgrading from harbor freight bits I assume he is like me and drilling a couple dozen holes a year not a couple dozen holes an hour. This may be false.

In the lower end world it is very common to take poor bits and dip them in titanium or another metal. They then label them "TITANIUM coated" bits and people think they must be great because they are titanium!! I fell into this trap with the first drill bits I ever bought....they are great for wood but any kind of metal you remove metal from the bit faster than the part.

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135 degree HSS bits are what you want. They are typically cheaper from industrial suppliers (MSC, McMaster, Sun Coast, etc) than what you pay for the junk at hardware stores. Brand doesn't matter, but you only want USA, German, or Japanese bits.
 

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metlmunchr has it nailed. The only thing I disagree with him on is cobalt. I recommend cobalt to people that want a general use drill bit, because it is suitable for harder steels that they may run into. Someone that does a lot of drilling can get by with HSS, and only use cobalt when they need to. If you only have one good set, it needs to do it all.

Here's where I buy mine:

http://www.victornet.com/subdepartments/HS-Jobber-Drills-Cobalt/1130.html

Scroll down to the bottom for sets.

They also have USA made HSS; their cost for a 29 piece set that goes to 1/2" by 64ths is the same as the amazon 21 piece set referenced above that goes to 3/8".

http://www.victornet.com/subdepartments/HS-Jobber-Drills-USA/1110.html

Screw machine sets are cheaper if you want the shorter length:

http://www.victornet.com/subdepartments/HS-Screw-Machine-Drills/1190.html
 
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Ton of great advice here guys, really helped me narrow down my search. I ended up going to https://www.victornet.com and picking up the below. 275$ is a spicy meatball, but now i'll have the exact size bit I need when I need it.

Thanks for the tips

Model Description Qty Price Total
DSCO-60 #1-60 Cobalt Drill Set
DSCO-29 1/16"-1/2" by 64ths Cobalt Drill Set
DSCO-26 A-Z Cobalt Drill Set
 
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cthulu

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Just in case anyone was curious, I've been using those cobalt bits from victornet the past couple months and they are fantastic. Can't believe I ever used anything else, they give perfect ribbons of steel when drilling instead of sending chips flying everywhere and get the job done a lot faster. Appreciate everyone's advice pointing me in the right direction.
 

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In a hand operated drill Cobalt has given me a good success rate. Drilling holes into super hard bolts(broken bolts). HSS usually does it's job when using a drill press, lathe, or mill. My company recently changed from brazilian-made Cobalt drill bits to a usa-made bit and the USA ones are excellent.
 
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