American Locomotive
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I just purchased two cans of Belton "Signal Black". We'll see how it does.
Favorite spray paint
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SlappyWhite
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I needed a can to touch up my tractor. Went to the local supercenter store and the spray paint can section was about 50% full with a sign noting supplier issues. Then went to the local Tractor Supply and I would say it was < 50% full with many colors out of stock...
Simply sharing.
Simply sharing.
bradpac
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Has anyone on here tried the sawzall paint shaking method and have clog free results?
PugetDude
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Well, that one time at Band Camp...
Jim greengo
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Custom by rustoleum for me.
WoodsTruck
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I use it when I have a somewhat critical job to shoot some paint on. I'll put the heat gun on the side of the can to start warming it up to. My 88 year old neighbor swears by painting with warm paint too.
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JackOfDiamonds
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What is the sawzall method?
555
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Rust-Oleum appliance epoxy. I use a lot of the black and buy nozzles from Art Primo. artprimo.com The nozzles were suggested by a friend who is an art teacher.
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JackOfDiamonds
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What kind of nozzle fits appliance epoxy? I literally have several partial cans with clogged nozzles.
Using a band clamp to attach the spray can to a sawmill blade, leaving enough room so it doesn't hit the table. Once secure run the sawmill to agitate/mix the paint.
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JackOfDiamonds
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Ok, based on the glowing recommendations about how much better graffiti paint is compared to hardware-store paint, I had to try it. I bought a 12-pack of Evolve paint from 004 connec.com
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They say it's high-pressure, high-pigment paint similar to Montana. It could be this is the wrong paint, or it could be I need to buy aftermarket tips, or it could be that I'm spraying it totally wrong, but when I painted a bike frame with it I got extreme orange peel and overspray. I'm talking orange peel so bad, it looks like truck bedliner or deliberate texture.
In retrospect I think I was holding the can too far away, which is normally how you get thin coats with other spray paint. And this stuff comes out like a firehose, so that seems like even more reason to hold it far away. But another member said I should have been holding the can like 3 inches away. Due to the extreme orange peel and overspray, I assume this is correct and next time I will try to hold the can right up close (think about it, if you've ever seen graffiti people work, that's what they do) and then move the can super fast to get a thin coat down. Maybe that would result in a smoother layer. Seems challenging to cover a bike frame that way though.
I'm sorta happy with it because the color is definitely bright, and this is a beater bike, but if I was trying to achieve a smooth finish, it would be an epic disaster. Also, I used an entire 2 cans just to spray one frame and fork with 2 coats. That's not what I would normally call good coverage. It might translate to good coverage if you were painting a wall or raw plywood, and you need to have good hiding capability, then maybe that does translate into good coverage vs. regular paint that doesn't have good hiding, but this is not what I would call good coverage for a bike frame, where usually I can do a bike with 1 can. Also the grass underneath the bike frame was all blue after I was done; I've never seen that before and it definitely speaks to how much pigment is in this stuff. It does dry fast and I didn't have any problems with drips.
So basically I'm not going to give up on it or say it *****, but if you try it, be prepared for it to be 100% different than any other spraypaint you've ever used. Right now I'm not sure I see the advantage, other than the really nice color and fast drying.
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They say it's high-pressure, high-pigment paint similar to Montana. It could be this is the wrong paint, or it could be I need to buy aftermarket tips, or it could be that I'm spraying it totally wrong, but when I painted a bike frame with it I got extreme orange peel and overspray. I'm talking orange peel so bad, it looks like truck bedliner or deliberate texture.
In retrospect I think I was holding the can too far away, which is normally how you get thin coats with other spray paint. And this stuff comes out like a firehose, so that seems like even more reason to hold it far away. But another member said I should have been holding the can like 3 inches away. Due to the extreme orange peel and overspray, I assume this is correct and next time I will try to hold the can right up close (think about it, if you've ever seen graffiti people work, that's what they do) and then move the can super fast to get a thin coat down. Maybe that would result in a smoother layer. Seems challenging to cover a bike frame that way though.
I'm sorta happy with it because the color is definitely bright, and this is a beater bike, but if I was trying to achieve a smooth finish, it would be an epic disaster. Also, I used an entire 2 cans just to spray one frame and fork with 2 coats. That's not what I would normally call good coverage. It might translate to good coverage if you were painting a wall or raw plywood, and you need to have good hiding capability, then maybe that does translate into good coverage vs. regular paint that doesn't have good hiding, but this is not what I would call good coverage for a bike frame, where usually I can do a bike with 1 can. Also the grass underneath the bike frame was all blue after I was done; I've never seen that before and it definitely speaks to how much pigment is in this stuff. It does dry fast and I didn't have any problems with drips.
So basically I'm not going to give up on it or say it *****, but if you try it, be prepared for it to be 100% different than any other spraypaint you've ever used. Right now I'm not sure I see the advantage, other than the really nice color and fast drying.
SlappyWhite
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Yes, you sprayed too far away that is why you got the rough finish, the poor coverage and the amount of waste (on the ground). With the high solids per volume this stuff covers better not worse, one can should have done multiple coats and should have been enough for the entire frame. It is well worth a can to experiment on scrap first when trying any new paint. This type of paint really sprays different than the normal NA big-box typical rattle can stuff...
Another tip, looking at your pics.... roll some paper (wipe down for dust first) and let it expand into the BB tube to prevent paint getting into he BB treads. Do the same for the seat tube and headset tube.... and pop out the headset cups next time (unless you want them frame colour).... It will save a lot of grief and chipping on re-assembly.
Another tip, looking at your pics.... roll some paper (wipe down for dust first) and let it expand into the BB tube to prevent paint getting into he BB treads. Do the same for the seat tube and headset tube.... and pop out the headset cups next time (unless you want them frame colour).... It will save a lot of grief and chipping on re-assembly.
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JackOfDiamonds
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The BB already needs chased because of rust, and I'm going to pop those headset cups out and put in a new headset anyway, so they were basically just masking the head tube anyway.
If you need to smoothly repaint surfaces while also protecting them from rust, I'd suggest Rust-Oleum is the best brand. The oil-based composition maintains its performance well, leaving the surfaces resistant to fading, heat, and other environmental factors.
mark-NJ
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After you get good with a compressor & a HVLP gun, you come to realize that all of these rattle cans are a major compromise...none of them deliver great results without a lot of work & skill. Still, for me, I'll give a slight edge to Rustoleum over Krylon.
Still, like all painting, the secret to a great finish is a great start: surface prep. If the prep isn't top-notch, the finish will suffer...either visually or endurance-wise.
Still, like all painting, the secret to a great finish is a great start: surface prep. If the prep isn't top-notch, the finish will suffer...either visually or endurance-wise.
mark-NJ
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Yes! And the cheepo generic no-name white and flat-black as well. I wonder who really makes it? It's terrific paint!
Ton ton
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Neat idea.
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JackOfDiamonds
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Here are some more finished pictures of the bike painted with graffiti paint. Because of the thickness I sprayed it it is not durable but the color is like nothing else.
isb cornbinder
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Tremclad and Rustoleum are made by the same company, now. The two paints spray a little differently. I like and use the Canadian made Tremclad.
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PugetDude
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How long have you worked for Rustoleum?
For decades after spraying I put the nozzle in a small jar of mineral spirits and left it there for next time. Now some of these fancy nozzles come apart. Like the ones on rustoleum 2X, white with a black spray insert, left in ms the little black piece comes out. Also do this with solvent based spray glue nozzles.
Ton ton
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Thank you for the helpful tip. No pun intended.
If I just want color on something that stays inside, whatever is cheapest. If it will see outside use I usually try to use Rustoleum. If it's a bigger piece that I want to look nice a quart or gallon of Rustoleum along with a small bit of enamel hardener from TSC. Even with a roller I've got some really nice finishes with that however with even a cheap spray gun you can do event better. When I used to build model cars I always used the Duplicolor auto touch up paint. Base/clear and a buff with some cheapo cleaner wax made some darn nice looking plastic model cars! There used to be an automotive paint shop that could custom mix spray cans in house as well back in the day. I believe all their paint was Dupont. It was pricey, but very good paint! For most scenarios though plain old Rustoleum would get my vote due to cost and durability.
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rockinacummins
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Krylon here.
Jcrapola
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Try using Dupl—color from an auto parts store (NAPA, O’reilly’s, autozone, etc.). Sprays nicely, lays out well. Very durable, even holds up to some gasoline exposure. I have a couple mini bike fuel tanks (1 plastic, 1 steel) that I sprayed years ago that still look good.