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Fein 638 DSeu vs DSceu..

MD11

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Ok, I'm growing extremely frustrated trying to get the difference between the DSeu and DSceu version of the 638 hammer drill... anyone who know? The Fein site is useless, as are the various dealers I've called... but I know there IS a difference, and there is also a significant price difference, with the DSeu being more expensive even though it has no way to switch off the Hammer action...

anyone?
 
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One is an impact/hammer drill and the other is just rotary. If you look at the speed ranges for each you will also see a difference

Technical Specifications
Model DSeu 638
Power Consumption (watts)
450
Power Output (watts)
230
Full Load Speed (rpm)
0-470/0 - 1,400
No Load Speed (rpm)
0-840/0-2250
Cable with Plug (ft)
16'
Weight (lbs)
4.0
Capacity in Steel (in)
1/2"-5/16"
Capacity in Light Alloy (in)
13/16"-1/2"
Capacity in Wood (in)
1 1/4 - 13/16""
Tapping 3/8"
Cone at Drill Shaft
B16


Technical Specifications
Model DSceu 638
Power Consumption (watts)
450
Power Output (watts)
230
Full Load Speed (rpm)
0-700/0 - 1,800
No Load Speed (rpm)
0-1,100/0-2,800
Beats per minute under load
1-14,000/0-36,000
Cable with Plug (ft)
16'
Weight (lbs)
4.4
Capacity in Stone (in)
5/8"
Capacity in Steel (in)
1/2" - 5/16"
Capacity in Wood (in)
1 3/16" - 13/16"
Tapping 3/8"
Thread on Spindle
1/2" - 20 UNF
 
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thanks, I guess I don't get why the one with both features is cheaper.... it seems odd.
 

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I think if would have posted this in the tool forum,you would have gotten alot more responses.
Just my .02
Good Luck
 
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I think if would have posted this in the tool forum,you would have gotten alot more responses.
Just my .02
Good Luck

thanks I'll try that... never even realized there are two different forums
 

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The hammer drills in germany are often cheaper than the non hammer drill counterparts. Bosch + Metabo hammer drills are cheeaper too. The manufacturers explain it with a higher production volume of the hammer drills.
 

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Hi

New here but lurking a while so first post ..

I recently bought a Fein Bop 13-2 as rotary drill along with various brands of drill bits for different substances steel/wood/masonry/granite - I was able to use the bosch blue granite replacements (CYL - 5) to drill through a concrete paver quite easily with the BOP 13-2 so not really sure I need a hammer drill for my basic DIY purposes.

However, I've found a discontinued 110v 638 DSceu going cheap, I'm tempted to get it to keep my BOP13, Multimaster and Dustex company

How does the 638 compare to a basic Bosch or Metabo hammer drill, anyone know?

Would it give me options the BOP 13 doesn't ?

This is purely for DIY but I like quality tools and the price is similar to a basic Bosch blue hammer , so needing one doesn't come into it :D
 

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The main difference is that the 638 comes with a percussion mode. The BOP is more powerful, more compact, lighter and more ergonomic than the 638. If you seldom (DIY) drill into stone i think it´s not necessary to have a percussion drill if you already own a "normal" drill. However there are more powerful percussion drills available from Bosch and Metabo with up to 1300 Watt and features which the Fein doesn´t have like the speed dial selector. The Fein also has a plastic gear case, the others from Bosch/Metabo usually not.
But as a Fein fan why not buy the Fein :)
 

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Thanks Monte,

I have some pretty tough brick in my house, I'm sure the BOP will cope if I use the right bits. When I broke up the last of some old concrete outside I just hired a big kango for the day so I don't have any big heavy jobs left to do

Maybe I'll save up for the Fein jigsaw to replace by old green Bosch instead, I'm running out of PB Swiss stuff to buy

Love your informative posts by the way :beer:
 

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I'm replacing all my budget DIY tools with quality stuff having found out the hard way over the years.

In terms of drill bits I have the Multi-construction drill bits, I also wanted the original blue granite bits but seems they are discontinued, at least in UK and the replacement seems to be the CYL-5 ? (says it can be used on granite - anyway goes through concrete easy enough without any hammer action)
For wood I have the Irwin Blue Groove and for metal I have a nice set of these, haven't tried them yet though http://www.ttp-hard-drills.com/vid-drilling-harden-steel-hardox.html

Hopefully that lot covers anything needed in diy/hobbies

Got my sanding needs covered with Metabo/Makita so the only other power tool I regularly use is a jigsaw (15 year old Bosch green thing) so it seems the obvious next tool to replace.

Must admit I normally buy corded tools, had a bad experience with cordless drill 20 years ago but will take a look the link you posted, perhaps they are better now ;)

thanks
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The main difference is that the 638 comes with a percussion mode. The BOP is more powerful, more compact, lighter and more ergonomic than the 638. If you seldom (DIY) drill into stone i think it´s not necessary to have a percussion drill if you already own a "normal" drill. However there are more powerful percussion drills available from Bosch and Metabo with up to 1300 Watt and features which the Fein doesn´t have like the speed dial selector. The Fein also has a plastic gear case, the others from Bosch/Metabo usually not.
But as a Fein fan why not buy the Fein :)

The "C" in the Dsceu Fein model number means that the drill is a hammer drill model.

An important thing to note with the Fein drills is that the hammer drill uses a threaded chuck attachment, whereas the non hammer rotary drill uses a tapered attachment. If you ever need to replace the chuck, either due to preferences or breakage, this difference could limit replacement options.

I have an older Fein hammer drill, It's very well made and works very well. I believe the front gear housing section may have actually been made by AEG since it looks similar to the gear housings on some of the older blue AEG drills. AEG was also known for their hammer drills.

I don't know about the current Fein hammer drills since Fein seems to have changed the gear housing, but the one I have is only plastic on the outside. The inside of the gear housing actually appears to be an aluminum or magnesium alloy with plastic molded over the outside, probably for insulation. My main gripe about this is that the 43mm collar is also over-molded with the plastic.

As far as wattage goes, Fein's tools routinely seem to have lower wattage than similar tools from competitors despite have similar or the same cutting capacity, and I've never had a problem using them to cut to capacity. The quality of the parts, design, engineering and assembly are likely more important than just the wattage specs.
 

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Thanks Monte,

I have some pretty tough brick in my house, I'm sure the BOP will cope if I use the right bits. When I broke up the last of some old concrete outside I just hired a big kango for the day so I don't have any big heavy jobs left to do

Maybe I'll save up for the Fein jigsaw to replace by old green Bosch instead, I'm running out of PB Swiss stuff to buy

Love your informative posts by the way :beer:

The Fein jigsaw is really nice, but it should be noted that it lacks certain features such as orbital adjustment and a tilting base like many jigsaws available currently. It has some features designed for woodworking but the speed selection on the model most commonly available seems to have been engineered for people cutting thick steel. Up until some of the current models from Bosch, Hilti, and Festool were released it actually had the highest steel cutting capacity of any jigsaw I had seen.
 

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Thanks for the info, wonder why it was discontinued? Maybe not a good seller in comparison to more common and less pricey makes?
 

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Just tried the BOP 13-2 on replacing some screws in the hard brick that gave my old hammer drill and cheap bits a hernia. With the Bosch CY-5 (Blue Granite ?) bits, it went straight through the brick like a hot knife through butter making a clean hole with hardly any sound. Beautiful machine, the BOP 13-2 is like the Leica of the drill world. Who needs a hammer drill ;-). Using a PB Swiss screwdriver to put the screws in was also a pleasure.

I've ordered the ASTE 638 jigsaw to keep the Bop and Multimaster company, hopefully will arrive in the next day or two, if its anything like the BOP it should be a great bit of kit
 

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I don't know about the current Fein hammer drills since Fein seems to have changed the gear housing, but the one I have is only plastic on the outside. The inside of the gear housing actually appears to be an aluminum or magnesium alloy with plastic molded over the outside, probably for insulation. My main gripe about this is that the 43mm collar is also over-molded with the plastic.
ah ok that could be....

As far as wattage goes, Fein's tools routinely seem to have lower wattage than similar tools from competitors despite have similar or the same cutting capacity, and I've never had a problem using them to cut to capacity. The quality of the parts, design, engineering and assembly are likely more important than just the wattage specs.
that´s true if you use drill bits

Thanks for the info, wonder why it was discontinued? Maybe not a good seller in comparison to more common and less pricey makes?
buying decision #1^^

Just tried the BOP 13-2 on replacing some screws in the hard brick that gave my old hammer drill and cheap bits a hernia. With the Bosch CY-5 (Blue Granite ?) bits, it went straight through the brick like a hot knife through butter making a clean hole with hardly any sound. Beautiful machine, the BOP 13-2 is like the Leica of the drill world. Who needs a hammer drill ;-). Using a PB Swiss screwdriver to put the screws in was also a pleasure.

I've ordered the ASTE 638 jigsaw to keep the Bop and Multimaster company, hopefully will arrive in the next day or two, if its anything like the BOP it should be a great bit of kit
:thumbup:

it was already mentioned that the Fein jig saws are rather metalworking tools so if you are a passionate woodworker you might want to check out the Festool Carvex 420 or Mafell P1 cc. However since you already ordered and if you don´t need anything fancy the Fein should work fine and probably will outlast all others....
 

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Thanks, I will be doing both but I do intend to be cutting metal for one of my hobby projects which swung it, thickest "wood" I would conceivably ever cut would be 60mm kitchen worktop. I did consider the Festool/Mafell, nice looking tools,I've tried Festool before.
 

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Thanks Monte,

I have some pretty tough brick in my house, I'm sure the BOP will cope if I use the right bits. When I broke up the last of some old concrete outside I just hired a big kango for the day so I don't have any big heavy jobs left to do

just made a short comparison video of a percussion drill bit in percussion mode and a "multi-construction" type drill bit without percussion mode.....5mm bits, Alpen vs. Keil Goldcraft. iirc about 1400 rpm

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yes working but I'm not sure what you are saying? same drill, different bits, one in percussion mode, the other not but there is only a second or two difference, I would be happy with the second non percussion and multi construction bits if it meant I didn't need a second drill

Are you saying the drill and right bit makes a difference and for some jobs a percussion drill is not needed?

By the way, I used the multiconstruction bits this afternoon to drill through showerboard attached to masonry on the same wall as my previous effort. I think the Blue Granite are a little better in masonry but the multi construction are also good - they easily did the job
 

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exactly :)

1 or 2 seconds difference.... so a percussion drill is not really neccessary.....
Fein BOP drill with multi-construction/blue granite bit and everything is fein erm fine :)
 
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